Marial Shayok

[humanlung]

I am dissappointed that Shayok is not coming.  People here who think it is not a loss should realize he is going to end up a a major program.

This post is inexcusable!  How dare you post something on-topic!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I understand the logic, it just seems that everyone just expects that some kid will be happy coming here for a year and be on his way. Some kids would be happy being the 13th man on Marquette and wouldn't want to transfer. Probably lots of the recruits who are unsigned right now. Can you tell me when Marquette has not renewed someone's scholarship?

No one expects that the kid will be happy. It's cold but it's true. I would rather have a 2 star player who may turn into something but will probably be bad than an empty schollie, which is automatically less than bad.

Hell, John Dawson was outside the top 150, maybe even the top 200. He was certainly way below his fellow players in the 2013 recruiting class. I didn't think he would sniff the floor this year. But Vander goes pro, Duane gets injured, and boom, Dawson is getting 10 minutes a game.

As for examples, I'm not privy to that information. But do you really think Buzz would have kept Jamal Ferguson if he wanted to stay? Not when he needs his scholie for Jajuan Johnson.

[Wojo'sMojo]

No one expects that the kid will be happy. It's cold but it's true. I would rather have a 2 star player who may turn into something but will probably be bad than an empty schollie, which is automatically less than bad.

Hell, John Dawson was outside the top 150, maybe even the top 200. He was certainly way below his fellow players in the 2013 recruiting class. I didn't think he would sniff the floor this year. But Vander goes pro, Duane gets injured, and boom, Dawson is getting 10 minutes a game.

As for examples, I'm not privy to that information. But do you really think Buzz would have kept Jamal Ferguson if he wanted to stay? Not when he needs his scholie for Jajuan Johnson.

If he wanted to stay, I guess I would have expected Brent to keep him. It just seems like shady business to me. I would think that Jake would have lost his scholarship, or we would have let Juan walk to make room for JJJ. You don't turn down a top 40 guy.

[Dawson Rental]

Don't forget how far behind Wojo is.  It isn't as though these "better players" are just sitting out there undiscovered.  They have been recruited by other schools for at least the last year and built relationships with coaches, whereas Wojo is coming in fresh.  That isn't to say he can't make inroads, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that these better players are going to come.  His first real recruiting class for MU is going to be the class of 2016.  Our best hope for impact players early in his tenure outside of current recruits are going to be JUCOs and transfers because they are entering the market green to everyone.

I may be wrong, but I thought that Wojo was employed as a college coach somewhere prior to getting the HC job at Marquette.  If so, he just might surprise you with some relationships.  Maybe, even at Duke they adhere to the "always be recruiting" mantra.

[Dawson Rental]

We desperately need immediate frontline help and Pierce isn't likely to provide it.  Hope he opts out, too. Wojo has a lot to sell graduate students like Desmond Simmons and Jon Horford.

At this point, there is no reason to believe that that might not also be true in a couple of years at which time a Pierce who has been developed for a couple of years might be the perfect answer.  Or we could just go with a freshman project big man at that time who won't be able to contribute much.

It amazes me how quickly posters will toss under the bus recruits that the school just fought a tooth and nail recruiting battle for.  Even with Wojo, I doubt that Marquette is getting the Embiids away from the likes of Kansas.  So we'd better be willing to develop some big men if we ever want to get away from playing 6'6" guys there because that's all we have.

[Dawson Rental]

Absolutely.  There is no downside, and plenty of upside.

The upside is that if the kid blows up, he'll be a solid, four-year contributor.
The upside is that if you are hampered with injuries, you still have some bench depth.
The upside is that you have enough players to hold scrimmages, even if you're down a player or two becuase of illness, injury, etc.
The only downside is that the player doesn't show potential, he'll transfer at year's end.

Of course, that means you can still get that better player next year.

And, please, nobody moralize on how unfair this is. Both players and coaches know this arragement going into the season.  Player at least gets a shot at playing for Marquette instead of settling for something like UWM or Loyola. Scholarships are one-year deals.  You have to perform to keep it.  BTW, this is the same for any other student--don't maintain your grades, you lose an academic scholarship as well.

If you "bank" the scholarship, the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that you'll get absolutely zero production from that scholarship for the year.  No depth in case of injury.  No player to use in practice scrimmages.  No possiblity that the player develops into a solid performer.  

I'll take a player over an empty seat any day.

Actually, the only downside is that the player doesn't show potential,and he doesn't transfer at year's end.  Of course, Marquette can drop guys off scholarship and get the reputation of a school that churns guys through its program.  Of course, that makes getting the better player the next year that much harder.  Louisville has the record of success to pull that off.  Marquette doesn't.

[Dawson Rental]

It happens all the time at every high major school in every sport.  You don't perform, you lose your scholarship.  You're an investment and if you're not working out you get cut.

And your school gets a reputation as a place that doesn't take care of its recruits.  And then you have that stigma to get past just to get to the same level as everyone else who is recruiting a kid.  Good luck, you've taken the merely extremely difficult job of recruiting and made it nearly impossible. 

Bottom line, you can be as blase as you want.  You don't have to actually recruit and answer the parent's questions.  And the parents will have those questions because every other coach recruiting their kid will mention Marquette as a place that churns through recruits and as no commitment its recruits to those parents.

[MUSF]

LOL.  Show me where I'm condoning it? I am not.  I asked (that's what a "?" is for) Chitown if he condones a two wrongs make it right model.

Secondly, show me with my Buzzard comment where I condone that action....

I didn't.


Try again

I never said you condoned it. Chitown also never condoned the behavior of prima donna athletes but you clearly insinuated that he did by your "two wrongs make a right comment". I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of that.

Now, this is where you will fall back on the "I just asked a question" defense. So apparently you can say anything about anyone as long as you phrase it as a question. Let's see...

So Chicos is a Satan worshiper?

You're right, this is fun.

[Pakuni]

@AdamZagoria: Marial Shayok's dad tells @SNYtv no schools have contacted him or his son yet after getting a release from Marquette.

[Wojo'sMojo]

@AdamZagoria: Marial Shayok's dad tells @SNYtv no schools have contacted him or his son yet after getting a release from Marquette.

Well someone's lying then  . Shayok will not be missed. Switchable with no shot. Strictly a Brent player.

[Groin_pull]

Yeah, I'm not too upset over this. When I hear he's a "glue guy"...I immediately think "no offensive game."

[WarriorPride68]

Notre Dame, Michigan, Indiana & Virginia all expressed interest today.


I personally would like Super Marial @ MU

[Groin_pull]

Notre Dame, Michigan, Indiana & Virginia all expressed interest today.


I personally would like Super Marial @ MU

Hasn't stepped foot on a college court yet and he's already "Super Marial"? Wow.

[MUSF]

Hasn't stepped foot on a college court yet and he's already "Super Marial"? Wow.

I believe that's his twitter handle. I don't follow him, but I saw it in another tweet recently.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I believe that's his twitter handle. I don't follow him, but I saw it in another tweet recently.

it is his twitter.

at first I thought we were recruiting Ammo's brother.

[WadeATKBurton]

Shayok doesnt fit into Wojo's plans. Im ok with that. The kid isnt THAT good!

[4everwarriors]

it is his twitter.

at first I thought we were recruiting Ammo's brother.

You messin' around with your twitter again?

[Golden Avalanche]

Shayok doesnt fit into Wojo's plans. Im ok with that. The kid isnt THAT good!

First, do you have any clue as to Wojo's plans?

Second, how often have you seen Shayok play?

[The Equalizer]

And your school gets a reputation as a place that doesn't take care of its recruits.  And then you have that stigma to get past just to get to the same level as everyone else who is recruiting a kid.  Good luck, you've taken the merely extremely difficult job of recruiting and made it nearly impossible. 

Bottom line, you can be as blase as you want.  You don't have to actually recruit and answer the parent's questions.  And the parents will have those questions because every other coach recruiting their kid will mention Marquette as a place that churns through recruits and as no commitment its recruits to those parents.

Really?  Haven't we just supposedly had the two best back-to-back recruiting years since Al? 

And we have a recent history of not just not inviting kids back after their first season, but actually inviting them to leave before their first day of freshman year!  Are you serious in your suggestion that we now have a "stigma" that makes it "nearly impossible" for anyone to recruit to Marquette? 

JJJ, Burton, and Duane Wilson had no qualms over committing to our stigmatized program, even though we didn't give four years of scholarships to Mbao or Roseboro or Durley, or Jamail Jones or Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson.

And apparentlty, their parents didn't have any qualms either, since a parent's signature is required on the letter of intent. 

So where on earth does this objection come from, because its certainly not Marquette's history. 

[WarriorPride68]

Hasn't stepped foot on a college court yet and he's already "Super Marial"? Wow.

Haha how dare I use his nickname. Gotta love the scoop

[ChicosBailBonds]

I never said you condoned it. Chitown also never condoned the behavior of prima donna athletes but you clearly insinuated that he did by your "two wrongs make a right comment". I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of that.

Now, this is where you will fall back on the "I just asked a question" defense. So apparently you can say anything about anyone as long as you phrase it as a question. Let's see...

So Chicos is a Satan worshiper?

You're right, this is fun.

Punctuation means something, that's why we have it so that questions are not construed as comments.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well someone's lying then  . Shayok will not be missed. Switchable with no shot. Strictly a Brent player.

Didn't anyone learn not to trust the crap on twitter in the last few weeks?

[Dawson Rental]

Really?  Haven't we just supposedly had the two best back-to-back recruiting years since Al? 

And we have a recent history of not just not inviting kids back after their first season, but actually inviting them to leave before their first day of freshman year!  Are you serious in your suggestion that we now have a "stigma" that makes it "nearly impossible" for anyone to recruit to Marquette? 

JJJ, Burton, and Duane Wilson had no qualms over committing to our stigmatized program, even though we didn't give four years of scholarships to Mbao or Roseboro or Durley, or Jamail Jones or Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson.

And apparentlty, their parents didn't have any qualms either, since a parent's signature is required on the letter of intent. 

So where on earth does this objection come from, because its certainly not Marquette's history. 

You're correct about Mbao, and Durley.  You could add Newbill to the list.  Only Mbao was the only one "cut" after just a year at Marquette.  Not taking Newbill and Durley after they signed LOI's was worse.  I've never heard that any of Roseboro, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson left except by their own choice.  None of these guys was taken with the expectation of "We'll need the scholarship next year, but that's okay will just cut them, unless, of course, they surprise, then we'll cut somebody else."

[Texas Western]

I would be happy to see this scholarship used on Jon Horford. Then Wojo has more to work with in 2015

[ChicosBailBonds]

You're correct about Mbao, and Durley.  You could add Newbill to the list.  Only Mbao was the only one "cut" after just a year at Marquette.  Not taking Newbill and Durley after they signed LOI's was worse.  I've never heard that any of Roseboro, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams or Jamal Ferguson left except by their own choice.  None of these guys was taken with the expectation of "We'll need the scholarship next year, but that's okay will just cut them, unless, of course, they surprise, then we'll cut somebody else."

Well, let's just say several of those guys were given essentially no choice and it became "their" choice.  It happens, certainly not exclusive to Buzz or Crean, but those two have done plenty of it.