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Benny B

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mets-second-baseman-ripped-by-new-york-radio-hosts-for-taking-paternity-leave-233732615.html

Seriously, are sports talk guys really this dumb and/or out of touch?!?  If you were the starting QB in the Super Bowl tomorrow morning and your wife just gave birth... sure, maybe you put things at home/hospital on pause for a few hours while you go play the game, but as far as importance, early April baseball is the analogue of the one day a year you shoot compressed air into your keyboard and clean the mouse ball.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

tower912

The MLBPA negotiated that in the last CBA.   Up to 3 days for paternity leave.    Classless to attack anybody who puts the birth of a child over a day at work.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

PuertoRicanNightmare

In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Benny B on April 03, 2014, 11:32:32 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mets-second-baseman-ripped-by-new-york-radio-hosts-for-taking-paternity-leave-233732615.html

Seriously, are sports talk guys really this dumb and/or out of touch?!?  If you were the starting QB in the Super Bowl tomorrow morning and your wife just gave birth... sure, maybe you put things at home/hospital on pause for a few hours while you go play the game, but as far as importance, early April baseball is the analogue of the one day a year you shoot compressed air into your keyboard and clean the mouse ball.

It's the Mets........ need I not say anymore?

Benny B

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.

Says who?

Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

PuertoRicanNightmare

Quote from: Benny B on April 03, 2014, 02:15:09 PM
Says who?


Says common sense, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 10 days of doing what? I have three kids and there is almost nothing a father can do in the early stages. Now, if there are other young children, maybe I can see him staying home (I didn't read the article) for a few days or if the infant or mother is ill. Otherwise, Francesa is right. Get a nanny or family member to help. This has been going on since the beginning of time. 10 days? Please.

You can argue if you want, you'd just be wrong.

Spotcheck Billy

#6
IIRC my brother took 3 months PA-ternity leave after each of his daughters were born (nice to work at a cush place that pays that).

MU Fan in Connecticut

I recently read an article on this in The Atlantic.  Usually the father takes the leave separately and after the wife takes maternity leave.  Of course the leave is like a year for each parent. 

ZiggysFryBoy

you want leave and you're a dude, move to Sweden or Norway.

brandx

#9
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.

He took 3 days off - missed 2 games. But if lying bolsters the argument  - feel free to do it.




PuertoRicanNightmare

Quote from: brandx on April 03, 2014, 05:06:16 PM
He took 3 days off - missed 2 games. But if lying bolsters the argument  - feel free to do it.




I wasn't "lying." I read an article that said 10 days. A couple days, as I said (in my "lie") is OK with me.

brandx

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2014, 08:58:48 AM
I wasn't "lying." I read an article that said 10 days. A couple days, as I said (in my "lie") is OK with me.

My apologies.

Benny B

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2014, 02:57:53 PM
Says common sense, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 10 days of doing what? I have three kids and there is almost nothing a father can do in the early stages. Now, if there are other young children, maybe I can see him staying home (I didn't read the article) for a few days or if the infant or mother is ill. Otherwise, Francesa is right. Get a nanny or family member to help. This has been going on since the beginning of time. 10 days? Please.

You can argue if you want, you'd just be wrong.


If you're going to make a decision about being with a newborn child based strictly upon whether or not your wife needs help, then there's no sense in arguing.  You are right, an MLB player should be able to enlist a nanny to "help out," but - like Francesa - you've complete missed the point if you think this is strictly about "helping."  If you choose to restrict your role as a parent to only those times when you think your wife needs help or a break, that's fine... but don't go around preaching to those of us who want to spend time with our children irrespective of whether the mother needs help or not.

It's no wonder that so many kids have father issues these days... I'd probably hate my dad too if the only time he spent with me was when my mother told him to.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

Coleman

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
In the rush to attack Francesa, what's lost is the fact that the gist of his argument is that 10 days is way too much. And he's right. It's way too much.

Disagree completely.

Coleman

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2014, 02:57:53 PM
Says common sense, unless there are extenuating circumstances. 10 days of doing what? I have three kids and there is almost nothing a father can do in the early stages. Now, if there are other young children, maybe I can see him staying home (I didn't read the article) for a few days or if the infant or mother is ill. Otherwise, Francesa is right. Get a nanny or family member to help. This has been going on since the beginning of time. 10 days? Please.

You can argue if you want, you'd just be wrong.


You have a pretty limited conception of fatherhood. That's all I'll say.

Coleman


RyanConroy

#16
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoyyou want leave and you're a dude, move to Sweden or Norway.

Prioritizing an abstract notion of "duty" fulfilled by daily work over celebrating the birth of and bonding with your newborn child is definitely an American concept, no question there.


PuertoRicanNightmare

Quote from: Bleuteaux on April 04, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
You have a pretty limited conception of fatherhood. That's all I'll say.
This is so moronic I don't know how to respond. Enlighten me.

You realize that disagreeing with my "conception" of fatherhood...or anything for that matter...automatically makes your opinion limited? Does it not? I believe 10 days is too much and that a father should go back to work well before that. You believe a father should spend more time at home at the expense of his work, which is essential to his role as a father. Therefore your conception is limited in that it does include my conception.

That was a really fancy use of words, though! Wish I could be as open minded as you!

Coleman

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2014, 01:09:41 PM
You realize that disagreeing with my "conception" of fatherhood...or anything for that matter...automatically makes your opinion limited?

Therefore your conception is limited in that it does include my conception.

Are you stoned?


brandx

#20
Why are we talking about 10 Days?

This didn't happen. What is the purpose of a made up argument? Murphy took 3 days paternity leave and missed two games.

Francesa just lied to push his agenda of people not wanting to work and to let us know he is against the un-American idea of putting family before the profits of your employer. That's just something those socialists over in Europe do.

What we are missing and is much worse is that Boomer Esiason suggested Murphy's wife should have had a C-section so as not to inconvenience her husband. What a truly horrendous human being to make such a suggestion.

CTWarrior

Quote from: brandx on April 04, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
What we are missing and is much worse is that Boomer Esiason suggested Murphy's wife should have had a C-section so as not to inconvenience her husband. What a truly horrendous human being to make such a suggestion.

Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio.  I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

brandx

Quote from: CTWarrior on April 04, 2014, 02:02:25 PM
Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio.  I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.

That was what I always thought as well. Maybe time to re-assess.


Golden Avalanche

Quote from: CTWarrior on April 04, 2014, 02:02:25 PM
Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio. I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.

Professionally speaking, perhaps. Personally? Eh. There are stories.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: CTWarrior on April 04, 2014, 02:02:25 PM
Boomer is as decent and honorable a man as you will find on TV/radio.  I am amazed that he made such an asinine remark. Goes to show you how old-time football guys think.

He was apologizing this morning.  Said he was way out ot line.  He supposedly reached out to the Mets so he could to personally apologize to Daniel Murphy.

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