Impact hire

[LAZER]

Look at the last 50 hires by major DI programs....schools above or equal to Marquette.  From what I can tell, 42 of them were existing head coaches and not assistants.   There's a reason.

Do you have this list? I'm running them through my head, but I know i'm missing a ton of them.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Do you have this list? I'm running them through my head, but I know i'm missing a ton of them.

Sure, will post a little later....getting on Gondola with the kids to hit the powder in 5 minutes.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

So was Mike Dean...

You're Damn Right I Was!!!  It's Deane..... by the way. 

[Shack]

Bob Dukiet flop was because it was a hire in July after Rick left us high and dry.  Mike Deane...not a flop, not great either.  He did more than Cuonzo Martin did and you were backing Martin.   

It's riskier because its an unknown quantity.  Doesn't mean it won't work out, just riskier.  No different than hiring a VP, a CEO, etc.   Just common sense.  Experience is an asset, you pay for experience.  Doesn't mean experience works out always either, but we're just talking common sense here.

Look at the last 50 hires by major DI programs....schools above or equal to Marquette.  From what I can tell, 42 of them were existing head coaches and not assistants.   There's a reason.

So you're saying Wardle should have been the pick?  I think when Wojo leaves in 5 years it will be Wardle time.  I always thought Travis Diener would be a great Marquette coach when his playing career is done.  I do think continuity is more important to the program than hiring a hungry up and coming assistant.  I enjoy the success we've had the past 12 years but looking for a coach every 5 years is getting old.  You will lose a lot of fans that way and create uncertainty with recruits.  

[Blue Horseshoe]

Time will tell if it works.  But as far as the process goes, it was do correctly

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

[Pakuni]

Bob Dukiet flop was because it was a hire in July after Rick left us high and dry.  Mike Deane...not a flop, not great either.  He did more than Cuonzo Martin did and you were backing Martin.   

Wasn't backing Martin - actually prefer the guy we got and would have preferred Howland - just disputed some of the erroneous information about him being posted here (i.e. he never recruited a top 100 player, etc.).
And yeah, Deane was a huge flop. Team got worse every year. Set the program way back.

It's riskier because its an unknown quantity.  Doesn't mean it won't work out, just riskier.  No different than hiring a VP, a CEO, etc.   Just common sense. 

Common sense is usually backed by facts. Where are the facts that say hiring a coach from a mid-major or lower program is safer than hiring a top assistant from a top program?

Look at the last 50 hires by major DI programs....schools above or equal to Marquette.  From what I can tell, 42 of them were existing head coaches and not assistants.   There's a reason.

Because something is done more commonly doesn't mean it's better or more successful. Where's the data that says it's more successful?

[Benny B]

Because something is done more commonly doesn't mean it's better or more successful. Where's the data that says it's more successful?

I really can't wait to see that list, personally.  Not so much because of the 50 schools Chicos thinks are better than Marquette, but because I want to see who these 42 guys are (and the success they've had).

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

So was Mike Dean...

So was Buzz

[Goose]

Not an impact hire by my definition. That said, I respect the process this time around and hope Wojo knocks it out of the park. MU fan my whole life and not changing that it over this hire.

[tower912]

I'm OK with this.   Impact?   Meh.    I do know that anybody with head coaching experience who came here was going to leave the fanbase equally divided.      Their track record would be parsed over like a television show crime scene, focusing only on the negative to show.....   well, the same crap people are whining about with the Wojo hire.    This board just likes to kvetch. 

[Class71]

Time will tell if this is a good short term selection but clearly we will be starting all over again in a few years. If he pans out another stepping stone, if he doesn't we will eventually figure that out. Either way no point in investing a lot of emotional connection here. Good luck to him. I have already lowered my expections.

[madtownwarrior]

What, did all that "influencing" go the wrong way for you?

Time will tell if this is a good short term selection but clearly we will be starting all over again in a few years. If he pans out another stepping stone, if he doesn't we will eventually figure that out. Either way no point in investing a lot of emotional connection here. Good luck to him. I have already lowered my expections.

[Niv Berkowitz]

"Risk" is really the key word.

An "impact hire" is someone who is a name; someone who has experience winning; someone who is a head coach; someone that doesn't carry nearly the amount of risk.

Assistant U, or Marquette, HAS done great with the assistant-model. The key is, this model has a ton more "risk" than the "impact hire". This time, I thought MU was at a place where they could make an impact hire. They tried once - Shaka - and then moved on. Kudos to them for at least trying. But non-kudos to them for quitting there. I dont' know who else they talked too, but...Chicos is right. We are Assistant U from here out. Just a fact.

Only hope is that...again...it works out for us in the long run.

That's the rub w/Wojo. Great pedigree...but after our success, man...you sure thought we'd have gotten a proven commodity.

[mu72warrior]

I hope he can recruit! as Al said in a interview, Duke doesn't recruit it chooses

[hoyasincebirth]

From an outside perspective I was hoping Marquette would make a splash with the hire. In my mind the conference was embarrassed when Buzz left one of our best programs for a clearly inferior program. I felt the only way to rectify this would be to hire a head coach from a major program away. It would've been really sweet to hire a coach away from the ACC, but pretty much all their coaches suck or are at places they wouldn't leave for Marquette: Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Pitt. Shaka would've been a huge victory for the conference.

Now in the long run what really matters is if he's successful and wins games. But in my opinion we lost the PR battle. At this point there's nothing to do but to support him and hope for the best.

[thekahoona]

Not an impact hire by my definition. That said, I respect the process this time around and hope Wojo knocks it out of the park. MU fan my whole life and not changing that it over this hire.

Same same.

This is where I am too. Let's see where this goes and I will be watching closely with high hopes but reasonable expectations ... (which I suppose makes the hire a good one in my case).

If it had been Howland (which was my choice), I would have high hopes and probably unreasonable expectations.

In balance, good on MU.

[humanlung]

Step one is nailing down Hill.

[The Lens]

Bob Dukiet flop was because it was a hire in July after Rick left us high and dry. 

Bob Dukiet was a flop.  Rick left us after nearly every alum, fan and booster wanted to run him out of town and everyone was glad he left.

FIFY

[ChicosBailBonds]

So you're saying Wardle should have been the pick?  I think when Wojo leaves in 5 years it will be Wardle time.  I always thought Travis Diener would be a great Marquette coach when his playing career is done.  I do think continuity is more important to the program than hiring a hungry up and coming assistant.  I enjoy the success we've had the past 12 years but looking for a coach every 5 years is getting old.  You will lose a lot of fans that way and create uncertainty with recruits.  

Nope, never said Wardle would be the pick.  If you're going to hire a mid major coach, make damn sure he's accomplished something.  Brian hasn't yet.  So no, I would not signup for Brian.

I'm just disappointed we keep going through assistants, but when we are rebuffed by every top coach we go after, this is the deal.  Unfortunately, that does mean we get to go through this every 5 years or so.  And yes, it is getting old but I don't see MU ever being able to swing a major coach to come over which means it is either assistant coaches from top programs or trying to get a quality head coach from a mid major. 

[The Lens]

Nope, never said Wardle would be the pick.  If you're going to hire a mid major coach, make damn sure he's accomplished something.  Brian hasn't yet.  So no, I would not signup for Brian.

I'm just disappointed we keep going through assistants, but when we are rebuffed by every top coach we go after, this is the deal.  Unfortunately, that does mean we get to go through this every 5 years or so.  And yes, it is getting old but I don't see MU ever being able to swing a major coach to come over which means it is either assistant coaches from top programs or trying to get a quality head coach from a mid major. 

I think we said no to Counzo and Howland.  Obviously Shaka said no to us.  I really think Wojo was our 2nd choice.  This hire is growing on me. 

[Markusquette]

Think this hire is an impact in the making.  I have high hopes for Wojo.

[bradley center bat]

Miles Simon said on ESPN during the NIT between games, that Wojo is a homerun hire for Marquette.

[mechaghidorah]

If he keeps Hill and gets Stone, he's an impact hire.

[deep vacuum]

If he keeps Hill and gets Stone, he's an impact hire.

After reading the Steve Taylor thread I believe we have the right guy if he is able to keep every returning player who was going to transfer had Buzz stayed.  I would'nt be surprised to see a couple of recruits who said no to MU & Buzz reconsider MU.

[chapman]

I think we said no to Counzo and Howland.  Obviously Shaka said no to us.  I really think Wojo was our 2nd choice.  This hire is growing on me. 

Agree.  Of realistic candidates that were pursued, only Shaka was ahead of him.  I was very worried Cords et. all would be stuck in 1999 and look for the candidate that fit as before but not necessarily now.  I'm starting to be glad they respected their own process and didn't choose someone else just to prove that fallacy wrong.