Impact hire

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm happier it is Wojo than Martin, but either way was hoping for an impact hire....something MU historically hasn't been able to do at the time of the hiring.  Fortunately, MU has been able to identify coaches through the years that have been impactful.

Let's hope that is the case here. 

[Pakuni]

I'm happier it is Wojo than Martin, but either way was hoping for an impact hire....something MU historically hasn't been able to do at the time of the hiring.  Fortunately, MU has been able to identify coaches through the years that have been impactful.

Let's hope that is the case here. 

The young, upcoming assistant model has worked very well for Marquette for the past 20+ years .... certainly better than the "established coach" model.
Let's hope the tradition continues.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The young, upcoming assistant model has worked very well for Marquette for the past 20+ years .... certainly better than the "established coach" model.
Let's hope the tradition continues.

Al McGuire was a head coach....

[chapman]

It's peeing in the ocean in terms of the "impact hire", but at least it's not the negative impact hire Martin or Wardle would have been.

[NYWarrior]

I'm happier it is Wojo than Martin, but either way was hoping for an impact hire....something MU historically hasn't been able to do at the time of the hiring.  Fortunately, MU has been able to identify coaches through the years that have been impactful.

Let's hope that is the case here. 

at this point we've gotta hope the formula still works ... we were underwhelmed with the news that Buzz was hired as well

[Tugg Speedman]

This search took 9 days and MU could have had Howland and Martin (who pulled his own name out when he realized MU was not going to pick him).

MU had choices and did not have to settle (after Shaka) and took who they thought was the best option.

Time will tell if it works.  But as far as the process goes, it was do correctly

[Pakuni]

Al McGuire was a head coach....

In the past 20 years?

Though I'm guessing a guy who went 13-39 his last two seasons at Belmont and never made a postseason tourney (NIT or NCAA)  might not have been deemed an IMPACT HIRE.

[Bob "Big Daddy" Wild]

This search took 9 days and MU could have had Howland and Martin (who pulled his own name out when he realized MU was not going to pick him).

MU had choices and did not have to settle (after Shaka) and took who they thought was the best option.

Time will tell if it works.  But as far as the process goes, it was do correctly

This should be stickied at the top of the board.

[CAGASS24]

And to clarify - when did MU brass ever say they were looking for an "impact hire" - we heard it from Goose - and all took it like that was spewed from Cords

[Silkk the Shaka]

I can't stand Duke and Wojo was one of my least favorite college players ever. However, I'd much rather get what is ultimately the best fit rather than what is perceived to be an "Impact Hire" from a press conference point of view. If Wojo is a better fit than Howland or Marshall, then who cares whether or not it is perceived to be an "Impact Hire" on day 1?

[CAGASS24]

I can't stand Duke and Wojo was one of my least favorite college players ever. However, I'd much rather get what is ultimately the best fit rather than what is perceived to be an "Impact Hire" from a press conference point of view. If Wojo is a better fit than Howland or Marshall, then who cares whether or not it is perceived to be an "Impact Hire" on day 1?

+1

Win the games, not the press conference - though I bet he comes across great when one is held

[ChicosBailBonds]

I can't stand Duke and Wojo was one of my least favorite college players ever. However, I'd much rather get what is ultimately the best fit rather than what is perceived to be an "Impact Hire" from a press conference point of view. If Wojo is a better fit than Howland or Marshall, then who cares whether or not it is perceived to be an "Impact Hire" on day 1?

We will never know. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

In the past 20 years?

Though I'm guessing a guy who went 13-39 his last two seasons at Belmont and never made a postseason tourney (NIT or NCAA)  might not have been deemed an IMPACT HIRE.

In the past 20 years, nope....though if you think hiring a guy from St. Peter's in July because Rick killed us is the answer either, we would disagree.

Hope this works out.  I'm sure it will, in which case he will leave and we do this all again. 

[humanlung]

It's peeing in the ocean in terms of the "impact hire", but at least it's not the negative impact hire Martin or Wardle would have been.

True.

[Pakuni]

In the past 20 years, nope....though if you think hiring a guy from St. Peter's in July because Rick killed us is the answer either, we would disagree.

Hope this works out.  I'm sure it will, in which case he will leave and we do this all again. 

Anyone who has success at MU will leave eventually. Sorry to disappoint.

[RubyWiscy]

Al McGuire was a head coach....

So was Mike Dean...

[Silkk the Shaka]

We will never know. 

So then what's the point of kvetching about day 1 impact?

[cnse70]

I guess it depends on how you define "Impact Hire".  I view these things like NFL drafts.  The "experts" will give the hire a grade, but you really don't know if it was Impactful for 3-4 years.  Hopefully it turns out to be.

That being said, I'm with Chicos.  I was hoping (expecting ?) we could lure a proven and successful head coach.  Apparently, not to be (again).

[ChicosBailBonds]

Anyone who has success at MU will leave eventually. Sorry to disappoint.

Yup....speaks volumes about us....disappointing, but 100% true.

[LloydMooresLegs]

Al McGuire was a head coach....

So was Buzz.  But neither were "established"

[Benny B]

Yup....speaks volumes about us....disappointing, but 100% true.

Of course it is... right now.  But who says it always has to be that way?

[ChicosBailBonds]

So was Mike Dean...

So was Thad Matta, Tony Bennett, Bill Self, Bo Ryan, Jon Beiline, etc, etc.

I think the more important way to analyze this is MU has not been able to successfully target good existing head coaches from lower levels or on equal levels.  Either because they can't get anyone to come to MU from a high major program, or they don't do a good job of convincing the head coaches from a lower level.

Whereas most of the hires done by programs that we think we are equal to or even better, do identify those head coaches at lower levels and they do just fine for their programs.

MU is promote assistant U until proven otherwise.  Much more risky.  So far it has worked.

[brandx]

I guess it depends on how you define "Impact Hire".  I view these things like NFL drafts.  The "experts" will give the hire a grade, but you really don't know if it was Impactful for 3-4 years.  Hopefully it turns out to be.

That being said, I'm with Chicos.  I was hoping (expecting ?) we could lure a proven and successful head coach.  Apparently, not to be (again).

Which would mean he was coming from a program lower on the ladder...  which would mean he would be looking to move up again if successful at MU... which would have everybody crying that we are a steppingstone... which would mean...oops, go back to beginning of paragraph and repeat.

[Pakuni]

So was Thad Matta, Tony Bennett, Bill Self, Bo Ryan, Jon Beiline, etc, etc.

I think the more important way to analyze this is MU has not been able to successfully target good existing head coaches from lower levels or on equal levels.  Either because they can't get anyone to come to MU from a high major program, or they don't do a good job of convincing the head coaches from a lower level.

Or, after the Bob Dukiet/Mike Deane flops, they're not interested in convincing the head coaches from a lower level?

MU is promote assistant U until proven otherwise.  Much more risky.  So far it has worked.

Where's the evidence that it's "much more risky?"

[ChicosBailBonds]

Or, after the Bob Dukiet/Mike Deane flops, they're not interested in convincing the head coaches from a lower level?

Where's the evidence that it's "much more risky?"

Bob Dukiet flop was because it was a hire in July after Rick left us high and dry.  Mike Deane...not a flop, not great either.  He did more than Cuonzo Martin did and you were backing Martin.   

It's riskier because its an unknown quantity.  Doesn't mean it won't work out, just riskier.  No different than hiring a VP, a CEO, etc.   Just common sense.  Experience is an asset, you pay for experience.  Doesn't mean experience works out always either, but we're just talking common sense here.

Look at the last 50 hires by major DI programs....schools above or equal to Marquette.  From what I can tell, 42 of them were existing head coaches and not assistants.   There's a reason.