Cuonzo- ESPN top 100

[HutchwasClutch]

Grand total of 1 in three recruiting classes there.

I don't think these recruiting top 100's whoever the source are the be all end all, but they are pretty good barometer on talent.

There are some things I've warmed up about on Cuonzo, but I still think he's a weak candidate overall.

[HutchwasClutch]

One thing I didn't consider, did UT have recruiting sanctions imposed after Pearl?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

He also didnt have access to a private plane.

[Atticus]

He also didnt have access to a private plane.

Really? I find that hard to believe.

[MUCam]

A great coach will make average players good. Great players will make an average coach great.

This is my biggest fear with Cuonzo. He does not have a reputation as a recruiter. For better or worse, one thing was clearly associated with Buzz Brett Williams and Tom Crean; they were known as tireless and effective recruiters.

Can Cuonzo bring talent to Marquett? The number one quality I want in the future Marquette coach is the ability to bring talent to the school. Crean was fairly effective. Buzz Brett was very effective. We cannot afford to take a step back.

Edited to correct our former coach's name. Sorry, Brett. We'll never forget you!

[mr.MUskie]

He also didnt have access to a private plane.

Pretty sure he did.

[chapman]

He also didnt have access to a private plane.

Isn't that one of the things the boosters took away when they weren't seeing results? 

[Newsdreams]

Isn't that one of the things the boosters took away when they weren't seeing results? 

Correct and football had priority access to planes.

[Markusquette]

Buzz was a weak candidate overall at the time.  If Cuonzo is out guy, I'm ready to support him 100%.  With the resources he has for recruiting at MU, he should be able to assemble a great staff and travel all over to recruit guys. 

He seems smart, easy to relate to and a lot less quirky than Buzz.  I think it will be a breath of fresh air if it's him.

[Pakuni]

Jarnell Stokes
#14 2012 RSCI
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2012-summer

Also, from his official bio:
Was rated as a consensus national top-20 prospect by PrepStar.com (No. 11) Rivals.com (No. 11), Scout.com (No. 11), CBSsports.com (No. 16) and ESPNU (No. 18).
http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jarnell_stokes_790793.html

Robert Hubbs
#22 2013 RSCI
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2013-final

Also, from his official bio:
Was rated by Rivals.com as the nation's No. 23 overall prospect and the No. 5 shooting guard in the country.
247Sports.com rated Hubbs as the nation's 20th-best overall prospect as well as tabbing him as the country's No. 4 shooting guard and the top overall prospect in the state of Tennessee.
http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/robert_hubbs_iii_847035.html

[MUSF]

Jarnell Stokes
#14 2012 RSCI
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2012-summer

Robert Hubbs
#22 2013 RSCI
https://sites.google.com/site/rscihoops/home/2013-final

Whoa, whoa, whoa, your facts are screwing up Martin haters' narrative.

[mechaghidorah]

Buzz was a weak candidate overall at the time.  If Cuonzo is out guy, I'm ready to support him 100%.  With the resources he has for recruiting at MU, he should be able to assemble a great staff and travel all over to recruit guys. 

He seems smart, easy to relate to and a lot less quirky than Buzz.  I think it will be a breath of fresh air if it's him.

He's supposed to be a really good guy but he's very bland and not the least bit charismatic.  I can't imagine alumni or students caring one way or the other about him.  The program will be mediocre, and, imo, attendance will begin to fall.

MU can't have been that good a job or you don't end up with Cuonzo Martin.

[MUSF]

He's supposed to be a really good guy but he's very bland and not the least bit charismatic.  I can't imagine alumni or students caring one way or the other about him.  The program will be mediocre, and, imo, attendance will begin to fall.

MU can't have been that good a job or you don't end up with Cuonzo Martin.

Yet he has enough charisma to get two top 25 recruits in three years and enough coaching ability to have a top 25 offense & defense and make the sweet sixteen.

[Markusquette]

He's supposed to be a really good guy but he's very bland and not the least bit charismatic.  I can't imagine alumni or students caring one way or the other about him.  The program will be mediocre, and, imo, attendance will begin to fall.

MU can't have been that good a job or you don't end up with Cuonzo Martin.

If he wins, charisma won't matter as much.  I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before predicting our program's future as mediocre.  Good points MUSF.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, your facts are screwing up Martin haters' narrative.

Just like all the Martin apologists ignoring his (lack of) tourney teams. Excuse me, NCAA tourney teams. There's also their great d and offense (which translated into a play in game!!). Kudos Tennessee.

Buzz was a bad candidate at the time.and I don't think a hiring success like Buzz happens very often at all. About 20% of the time (my guesstimate not based on any fact).

[NBBomber]

Martin landed 2 top 25 recruits in the last 3 years, while Marquette landed 0 in the last 30 years,..........and we're concerned he can't recruit good enough for MU? Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to post.

[HutchwasClutch]

Yet he has enough charisma to get two top 25 recruits in three years and enough coaching ability to have a top 25 offense & defense and make the sweet sixteen.

My original post was wrong - I thought Stokes committed pre- Cuonzo.

That being said- TWO top 100 recruits in three years?!?!  We've been pulling that many and more per year under Williams.  Great that he landed a couple of top 25-30 kids (Hubbs finished the ranking about 29th, not top 25), but wouldn't a little more consistency be nice?  How low are you going to set the recruiting bar at MU?

[MUSF]

 I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before predicting our program's future as mediocre.

Exactly! I know I sound like a massive Cuonzo slurper, in the parlance of our times, but I honestly have no dog in the fight. I just feel the need to counter some of this ridiculous, irrational, and unfounded hatred for a coach that we haven't even hired yet.

At the end of the day, I hope we get a good coach and I will reserve judgment for a season or two... or maybe five for Chicos'.

[cheebs09]

His roots are in the Midwest, as well as his assistant coaches. I think that and Marquette's resources should help provide an uptick in recruiting. Plus, he has a Sweet Sixteen to sell now. If he's the guy, I think he will end up being a very good hire.

[HutchwasClutch]

MU ESPN top 100 recruits during the Cuonzo ear at UT-

2014- 2
2013- 3
2012- 1

6-2 MU- tripled Cuonzo's recruiting production.

Again, I know top 100's aren't everything, but that is a weak three years at UT.

[MUSF]

My original post was wrong - I thought Stokes committed pre- Cuonzo.

That being said- TWO top 100 recruits in three years?!?!  We've been pulling that many and more per year under Williams.  Great that he landed a couple of top 25-30 kids (Hubbs finished the ranking about 29th, not top 25), but wouldn't a little more consistency be nice?  How low are you going to set the recruiting bar at MU?

Hell of a lot of good it did us this year.

[MUSF]

MU ESPN top 100 recruits during the Cuonzo ear at UT-

2014- 2
2013- 3
2012- 1

6-2 MU- tripled Cuonzo's recruiting production.

Again, I know top 100's aren't everything, but that is a weak three years at UT.

See my previous post.

[HutchwasClutch]

Hell of a lot of good it did us this year.

One down year after a threepeat of Sweet 16's!  Strong recruiting always pays off in the long run.  Are you kidding?  UT's been in the NIT the two years prior to this.

[Fred Garvin]

Ya brent landed a top 40 recruit and didn't play him most of the year!!!! Doesn't pay to get the kids if there going to sit there ass on the bench!!

[Niv Berkowitz]

Much like buzz, if c Martin is hired, I'll be pissed. I think MU can do better this time around and the fact a guy like Howland is there proves my point.

That being said, ill still be an MU fan and will hope I'm proven wrong (and admit it) just like I did with Buzz. Think most of us here are like that.