Is it about the money?

[BenCat12]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/

This link shows the top 62 coaching salaries in college basketball (2013).  I realize coaching isn't 100% about the money.  Many things contribute to a coaches willingness to change jobs; conference, tradition, location, bosses, etc.  However, if it is true that we were willing to offer around 3 million a year for our new coach (perhaps only for Shaka).  It seems that we could sway several coaches to change locations if we could double (Mark Few, Shaka Smart, etc) or even triple (Mike Brey, Fred Hoiberg, etc) their currently salary.  It seems strange that these coaches would be willing to pass up that kind of financial upgrade.....

Side note..I hope this process hasn't ruined the possibility of Howland becoming the head coach.  The majority seems to be in camp Shaka, but I would be extremely pleased with Howland.  Hopefully that train hasn't left the station.  The program is past the point of having to settle for never before heard of assistants.

[mattyv1908]

I too hope we haven't crossed the rubicon.

[brandx]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/

This link shows the top 62 coaching salaries in college basketball (2013).  I realize coaching isn't 100% about the money.  Many things contribute to a coaches willingness to change jobs; conference, tradition, location, bosses, etc.  However, if it is true that we were willing to offer around 3 million a year for our new coach (perhaps only for Shaka).  It seems that we could sway several coaches to change locations if we could double (Mark Few, Shaka Smart, etc) or even triple (Mike Brey, Fred Hoiberg, etc) their currently salary.  It seems strange that these coaches would be willing to pass up that kind of financial upgrade.....

Side note..I hope this process hasn't ruined the possibility of Howland becoming the head coach.  The majority seems to be in camp Shaka, but I would be extremely pleased with Howland.  Hopefully that train hasn't left the station.  The program is past the point of having to settle for never before heard of assistants.

There are actually three things that it is about:

    1. Money
    2. Money
    3. $$$$$$$$$$$

[willie warrior]

There are actually three things that it is about:

    1. Money
    2. Money
    3. $$$$$$$$$$$

Exactly. As Joe Pesci said in Casino: "It's always about the f--king dollars."

[Ellenson Guerrero]

There are actually three things that it is about:

    1. Money
    2. Money
    3. $$$$$$$$$$$

I think Brent proved that to not be the case, at least not when it comes to retaining coaches.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run.  Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver.  Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there.  So it isn't always about the money in my view.  For some people, it's always about the money.

Buzz just proved this, didn't he?

[willie warrior]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run.  Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver.  Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there.  So it isn't always about the money in my view.  For some people, it's always about the money.

Buzz just proved this, didn't he?

he proved it is about the money--or at least a paying job. he was told he was on his way out.

[BenCat12]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run.  Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver.  Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there.  So it isn't always about the money in my view.  For some people, it's always about the money.

Buzz just proved this, didn't he?

Depends if you believe Buzz left on his own......I don't
I understand what you are saying about peace of mind, life, etc.  But we aren't talking (hypothetically) $300,000 to $325,000.  We are talking 1 mil to 3 mil.  I can pay for a lot of piece of mind and quality of life if you triple my salary.  

[SERocks]

I think Brent Brett proved that to not be the case, at least not when it comes to retaining coaches.

[brandx]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have taken a job twice at a lower pay up front that paid off in the long run.  Sports business is often like that, so that may be the driver.  Peace of mind, having a life, etc, was worth taking an initial hit and trusting over the long haul you could get there.  So it isn't always about the money in my view.  For some people, it's always about the money.

Buzz just proved this, didn't he?

We don't really know what Buzz will be making once all the extras are added on.

[ChicosBailBonds]

OK, fair enough on Buzz....I still don't think it is always about the money for some folks, especially when you are making 7 figures already.  Yes, the $$$ = respect and all the other nonsense that we put value on.  There is more to it, however....location, weather, colleagues, comfort level, little fish big pond or big fish little pond, etc.

Each person will answer things differently.

[thekahoona]

Depends if you believe Buzz left on his own......I don't
I understand what you are saying about peace of mind, life, etc.  But we aren't talking (hypothetically) $300,000 to $325,000.  We are talking 1 mil to 3 mil.  I can pay for a lot of piece of mind and quality of life if you triple my salary.  

Setting aside drive and ambition...  If you don't have peace of mind at $1,000,000/year, there is something wrong with you.

[willie warrior]

OK, fair enough on Buzz....I still don't think it is always about the money for some folks, especially when you are making 7 figures already.  Yes, the $$$ = respect and all the other nonsense that we put value on.  There is more to it, however....location, weather, colleagues, comfort level, little fish big pond or big fish little pond, etc.

Each person will answer things differently.

Chicos--you need to watch Pesci waxing eloquently in Casino.

[Gopher+RamFan]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaab/coach/

This link shows the top 62 coaching salaries in college basketball (2013).  I realize coaching isn't 100% about the money.  Many things contribute to a coaches willingness to change jobs; conference, tradition, location, bosses, etc.  However, if it is true that we were willing to offer around 3 million a year for our new coach (perhaps only for Shaka).  It seems that we could sway several coaches to change locations if we could double (Mark Few, Shaka Smart, etc) or even triple (Mike Brey, Fred Hoiberg, etc) their currently salary.  It seems strange that these coaches would be willing to pass up that kind of financial upgrade.....

Side note..I hope this process hasn't ruined the possibility of Howland becoming the head coach.  The majority seems to be in camp Shaka, but I would be extremely pleased with Howland.  Hopefully that train hasn't left the station.  The program is past the point of having to settle for never before heard of assistants.

Shaka has turned down money in the past that would have doubled his salary. Going north of 3 million is incredible, but each fan base that has tried to sway him always posts the same thing: $$$$ "who doesn't turn down an extra million a year". Shaka is a great coach, who is a academic and clearly doesn't value what many Americans would think is a "done deal.

If Marquette eventually lands him, I would say you received a great coach who thinks outside the box, and isn't motivated by the same types of things as others.

[BenCat12]

Shaka has turned down money in the past that would have doubled his salary. Going north of 3 million is incredible, but each fan base that has tried to sway him always posts the same thing: $$$$ "who doesn't turn down an extra million a year". Shaka is a great coach, who is a academic and clearly doesn't value what many Americans would think is a "done deal.

If Marquette eventually lands him, I would say you received a great coach who thinks outside the box, and isn't motivated by the same types of things as others.

So reading through the BS.  Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him.  VCU must be the greatest place on the planet.  Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.

[source?]

Coaching is a revolving door. A guy like smart has earned a lot of good will at vcu. He would have to mess up royally to lose that job at this point.

[SWARM!]

Shaka is officially out, bruddas.  Moving on to the next guy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos--you need to watch Pesci waxing eloquently in Casino.

Seen it many times...if I recall, he ends up in a hole in the ground with a hole in the head in the middle of a cornfield

[Jay Bee]

$ not an issue for MU. Also, figures you seeing at USA Today
Don't give you a good understanding of total comp.

[Wisco]

So reading through the BS.  Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him.  VCU must be the greatest place on the planet.  Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.

Good choice. Frommer's recently named Richmond as a "Top Destination for 2014"

http://www.frommers.com/slideshows/847926-frommer-s-top-destinations-for-2014#slide848252

[Freeport Warrior]

I'm hearing Cuonzo is the S16 coach they are talking about (Jon Harris is the connection).

I asked about McDermott and along with the stickiness of the politics (BE, jesuits, etc), apparently he has the same agent as Howland.

That Cords announcement that he is staying for the next year is really bumming me out.

[willie warrior]

Seen it many times...if I recall, he ends up in a hole in the ground with a hole in the head in the middle of a cornfield

You are right, because it was all about the dollars.

[Dawson Rental]

There are actually three things that it is about:

   1. Money
   2. Money
   3. $$$$$$$$$$$

If that were true, Marquette would be announcing Shaka as it's new basketball coach.

[willie warrior]

If that were true, Marquette would be announcing Shaka as it's new basketball coach.

really--some are saying we got pretty far with the prima donna--to the point of hammering out dollars. Guess we did not offer enough.

[Dawson Rental]

So reading through the BS.  Shaka is above the "money"=We have no shot because we have nothing else to offer him.  VCU must be the greatest place on the planet.  Perhaps I will have to cancel my other trips scheduled for this year and plan a visit.

Wow, that's a rant.  Shaka is not "above" "the money", but neither is he "all about" the money.  And this was not the first year in which he's proven that.  No one, particularly Shaka, has said that Marquette has "nothing else to offer" him.  And no, VCU is not "the greatest place on the plant".  It's just where Shaka prefers to be at this point, and may well prefer to be for quite some time.  He's already there.  He's happy.  He doesn't need to move.  When he is convinced that there is somewhere that is a better fit for him and his family, he'll move.  He's not going to jump to another job because someone/everyone else thinks a better job for him or just because he'll get a certain % increase in pay.