Buzz didn't lie

[Pakuni]

No source, just in my opinion the facts don't match up with this being Buzz leaving on his own. He would have been more strategic to pick a solid next job. His brand equity was enough to be considered for top jobs. Va Tech was a "whats available now?" move.

Who in the world is a "great guy" or "bad guy"? I'm not saying he's perfect I'm not saying he's a douche. I'm saying it appears something happened that made MU want to part ways.

So if you received a poor performance review from your job, your response would be "So you don't think I'm a great guy?"

What top jobs are available right now?
USF? Wake? BC? South Florida?
For a guy who wanted out of Dodge ASAP, there weren't many options.

[Tugg Speedman]

What top jobs are available right now?
USF? Wake? BC? South Florida?
For a guy who wanted out of Dodge ASAP, there weren't many options.

More will open up this coming week (rumor is Okla St)

[Avenue Commons]

Pure "spin"

How? Don't know how much more reasonable I could put it.

I do feel bad for Buzz and wish it didn't come to this. I'm not super thrilled with all the turmoil at MU at the high levels. I said it before and I'll say it again: The only winner in this is Virginia Tech.

[NersEllenson]

Six string, your acceptance of Buzz's actions sure seem different now vs the last guy.  Lol

Seriously JD - Why do you continue on with this stuff?!  Let it go already.  Both are gone, both left with fans left angry...As has been said:  There's no "good"byes...

For the record, I don't think Buzz handled this any better than did Crean...yet it seems in Crean's case there wasn't any smoldering rumors of Admin potentially not wanting him back..or not wanting to have a chance to match the offer he got from IU.  From all accounts...MU didn't counter...which essentially says...so long..thanks.

[Pakuni]

Seriously JD - Why do you continue on with this stuff?!  Let it go already.  Both are gone, both left with fans left angry...As has been said:  There's no "good"byes...

For the record, I don't think Buzz handled this any better than did Crean...yet it seems in Crean's case there wasn't any smoldering rumors of Admin potentially not wanting him back..or not wanting to have a chance to match the offer he got from IU.  From all accounts...MU didn't counter...which essentially says...so long..thanks.

I don't think Crean gave the administration any chance to counter. As I recall, he already accepted the IU job before Wild or Cottingham knew he was talking with them. That, I believe, was a big reason for some of the discontent. He wasn't upfront with the administration.

[Avenue Commons]

Buzz was paid extremely well to do that good. I don't wish him ill or wish him well. He was a cog that's being replaced. Nothing more.

That's a fair point. I just feel that three Sweet 16s, an Elite 8, and Wes, Jerel, DJO, Buycks, Jimmy, Jae, and Vander at least getting a shot at the NBA is a lot. I was scared when TC left. Buzz quelled a lot of those fears.

[Avenue Commons]

More will open up this coming week (rumor is Okla St)

There is a private school in North Carolina called Duke University that had a high seed and lost in the first round to 14 Seed Mercer. Maybe Duke's coach is on the hot seat and will be available?

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Six string, your acceptance of Buzz's actions sure seem different now vs the last guy.  Lol

I'd welcome you to peruse my postings. I don't care for Crean personally, but I've always said he did great stuff for MU, and did us the best favor of leaving, thus allowing Buzz to step up to HC.

Some folks in the mental health community might see this as paranoia. You may want to get that checked out.

[Avenue Commons]

I don't think Crean gave the administration any chance to counter. As I recall, he already accepted the IU job before Wild or Cottingham knew he was talking with them. That, I believe, was a big reason for some of the discontent. He wasn't upfront with the administration.

And Crean didn't discuss it with his players first.

[NersEllenson]

I don't think Crean gave the administration any chance to counter. As I recall, he already accepted the IU job before Wild or Cottingham knew he was talking with them. That, I believe, was a big reason for some of the discontent. He wasn't upfront with the administration.

That was my recollection as well...but as I recall there was frustration on admin part that he didn't give MU a chance to counter/negotiate - implication being that they wanted to...whereas in this case with Buzz...it seems MU wasn't interested in doing so..

[keefe]

The only winner in this is Virginia Tech.

Short term yes. We'll see how the long term works out with BW. They may have a different appetite for risk.

[Eldon]

How? Don't know how much more reasonable I could put it.

I do feel bad for Buzz and wish it didn't come to this. I'm not super thrilled with all the turmoil at MU at the high levels. I said it before and I'll say it again: The only winner in this is Virginia Tech.

Really?  I honestly believe that they are the only loser in all of this.  And I'm not just saying this because I'm biter or anything.

*Buzz gets millions for 7 years 
*MU gets (hopefully) Howland 
*VTech gets a coach who has to start from absolute scratch.  If Buzz couldn't make the NIT with Gardner, Mayo, and Burton, what is he going to do at VT?

Time will tell, of course.  But if I were a betting man, my money's on VT getting the short straw here.

[Avenue Commons]

Short term yes. We'll see how the long term works out with BW. They may have a different appetite for risk.

Fair point. I should have qualified that VA Tech is the only winner right NOW.

We get Howland (probable) or Shaka Smart (unlikely) or Gregg Marshall (possible) and MU will come out ok.

[muwarrior97]

Typical Divorce, both sides angry and throwing out comments of issues with other side, perceived slights, bruised ego's, past issues or fights resurfacing.....in the end the kids are the one's that will lose now and future.

Brent and family will be fine in the future

Marquette will be fine

[reinko]

And Crean didn't discuss it with his players first.

It was rumored Buzz's Twitter background was changed to VT colors before his meeting with the players.   Just sayin.

[ecompt]

That was my recollection as well...but as I recall there was frustration on admin part that he didn't give MU a chance to counter/negotiate - implication being that they wanted to...whereas in this case with Buzz...it seems MU wasn't interested in doing so..

Wild had no idea Crean was leaving. In fact, he was at a conference in D.C. when he got the call and he went ballistic when he heard the news.

[willie warrior]

no shades of grey for willie

are you a good guy who has never made a mistake or a bad guy who murders and lies constantly? since there's no third option..

Oh so now it is he made a mistake. C'mon man! It is more than that to warrant getting pushed out/he saw the handwriting on the wall. Either way, he burned it out with this year's performance and decisions, and it was not just one mistake.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Oh so now it is he made a mistake. C'mon man! It is more than that to warrant getting pushed out/he saw the handwriting on the wall. Either way, he burned it out with this year's performance and decisions, and it was not just one mistake.

what is your question? I'm happy to answer.

[Eldon]

I agree Buzz portrayed himself as a people person. In my limited exchanges with him I found him to be that. I'm confused how the Newbill situation makes Buzz not a people person.

I'm not defending the Newbill thing, but I guess I don't know how that contradicts his being a people person.

I think that, in jobs like these, you are accountable to a lot of different stakeholders. You do the bet you can to align all of their interests together. It seems like with Newbill he failed to do that.

Yes, you have tone a self-promoter in order to make it in college coaching, and Buzz is/was proficient at it. I'm saying how is being a good networker at odds with building meaningful relationships?

In my experience (limited) the people with a solid "network" that goes to bat for them are legit relationship builders. Networking gets a bad name as some transactional short-term manipulative thing.

Brings me to my final point: I don't understand how people feel manipulated. Of course Buzz was here because it benefitted him. What coach wouldn't? I think anyone here who is angered because they thought Buzz = Fr. Naus is really upset because they are stupid enough to think that.

Six, good, thought-out, reasonable responses. 

I won't belabor the point, but suffice it to say that I can understand why some feel like they were duped.

[Logi4three]

He was pushed out. He was here as long as we wanted him. The dude lost his job. Why kick him while he's down?

Our AD is in the process of signing one of three active coaches who have been to three consecutive final fours.

MU is better off for having had Buzz as our coach
Buzz is better off for us having bet on him

We'll move forward in even better shape with Howland.

I don't understand these things people are making up to be angry about. It's all good news.

Definition of "lie" does not just include false statements, it also includes acts to imply false impressions.  To lead the MU faithful to believe all is well while constantly working back channels to find out what other offers would include leading to the perennial Buzz to ____ talk fits that definition of "lie" to me even though the statement you are referring to may not have been a false statement.  Regardless, I agree with your other points and the folks who have the "it is what it is", "next man up" attitude.  Love the fact we have Wild & Cords back to handle the situation again this time and hope they get a committed long term hire.  They and we deserve it.  Buzz has some great qualities and did some great things here and I am of the opinion there has to be some genuineness there that led to things like Buzz's Bunch (not just 100% self promotion).  Having said that, I am sure the self promotion side of things was also part of the reason it was done.  So, thanks Buzz for the good things you did for the program, hate to see you go, but trust the administration is doing what is best for the institution and hope current members of the team and recruits know that what Buzz said about the school when getting them to agree to come here is still all true and will remain true with our new coach.  Go MU! 

[mviale]

You get sick of the employee that is always threatening to leave or has offers.  Its like OK...Have a great future. 

[willie warrior]

what is your question? I'm happy to answer.

No question. You imply that he was pushed/let go because of a simple mistake. More there than just that my man. But believe what you want to believe.

[mviale]

can we get these bozos off the website?
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/monarch_scott00.html

[cheebs09]

can we get these bozos off the website?
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/monarch_scott00.html

Ugh, I've already seen enough pictures of the new Virgina Tech coach.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

No question. You imply that he was pushed/let go because of a simple mistake. More there than just that my man. But believe what you want to believe.

not what I was implying... What are you implying happened?

My point is MU is in awesome shape while buzz was at the helm.

I'm confused with the "see the truth, brother! It's all lies he's feeding us!" Vibe