Buzz didn't lie

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

He was pushed out. He was here as long as we wanted him. The dude lost his job. Why kick him while he's down?

Our AD is in the process of signing one of three active coaches who have been to three consecutive final fours.

MU is better off for having had Buzz as our coach
Buzz is better off for us having bet on him

We'll move forward in even better shape with Howland.

I don't understand these things people are making up to be angry about. It's all good news.

[Eldon]

He was pushed out. He was here as long as we wanted him. The dude lost his job. Why kick him while he's down?

Our AD is in the process of signing one of three active coaches who have been to three consecutive final fours.

MU is better off for having had Buzz as our coach
Buzz is better off for us having bet on him

We'll move forward in even better shape with Howland.

I don't understand these things people are making up to be angry about. It's all good news.

But why did we no longer want him?

The overarching reason seems to be that Buzz thought that he was Christ's brother.  He was a prima donna.  He wanted his ego stroked.  Etc.

This clashes mightily with the image of "humility" "character revealed" blah blah blah.  Fans thought Buzz was special.  That he was above the fray.

Fans see that they were duped.  It feels good to kick a phony when he's down, especially when he's been doing leap frogs over you and finally fell flat on his face.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The question you have to ask yourself is why.  What did Buzz do to put himself in that predicament.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Yeah I really get the feeling he had worn out his welcome. Unfortunately, because I thought he had the potential to be a long-term legend here if some things played out slightly differently. Seems like it might work well for both parties in the end.

[Tugg Speedman]

The question you have to ask yourself is why.  What did Buzz do to put himself in that predicament.

+1

I started a thread about an investigation that was shot down.  Something (someone) tells me this idea is not completely dead.

Maybe the investigation was of Buzz and not the team.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

But why did we no longer want him?

The overarching reason seems to be that Buzz thought that he was Christ's brother.  He was a prima donna.  He wanted his ego stroked.  Etc.

This clashes mightily with the image of "humility" "character revealed" blah blah blah.  Fans thought Buzz was special.  That he was above the fray.

Fans see that they were duped.  It feels good to kick a phony when he's down, especially when he's been doing leap frogs over you and finally fell flat on his face.

this is one of the made up reasons to be angry. Who was duped? When did he claim otherwise?

Take it up with MU if you're upset the relationship didn't work. I take this to mean MU wanted one direction for the program, Buzz wanted another, and neither caved. Thus: no more working together.

It doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Both will get a partner that better fits their goals.

"You can tell the size of a man by the size of things that bother him." – Adlai E. Stevenson

Don't invent things to be bothered about

[connie]

The question you have to ask yourself is why.  What did Buzz do to put himself in that predicament.

I do question that.  When Cords and Fr. Wild returned, even if temporary, it would seem that the ego should have been soothed.  Dude, you won, what the heck more did you want?

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

+1

I started a thread about an investigation that was shot down.  Something (someone) tells me this idea is not completely dead.

Maybe the investigation was of Buzz and not the team.

its definitely a possibility. And if that's the case, then why not be happy that he's gone?

[NersEllenson]

But why did we no longer want him?

The overarching reason seems to be that Buzz thought that he was Christ's brother.  He was a prima donna.  He wanted his ego stroked.  Etc.

This clashes mightily with the image of "humility" "character revealed" blah blah blah.  Fans thought Buzz was special.  That he was above the fray.

Fans see that they were duped.  It feels good to kick a phony when he's down, especially when he's been doing leap frogs over you and finally fell flat on his face.

Saw this posted somewhere else...think Scout board....someone likened it to the Brett Farve saga in Green Bay...the am I coming back or not game got old...and to an extent held the organization hostage...much like Buzz never killed the rumors the last 3 off seasons...I get the impression Cords/Wild saw that he wasn't totally committed long term...and felt better to be proactive...and move forward to a coach that definitely wanted to be at MU...and they and others in MU athletic leadership may have grown tired of the drama/prima donna tendencies.  Marotta indicating how much love/attention Buzz needed to feel...reminiscent of Brett Farve.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Saw this posted somewhere else...think Scout board....someone likened it to the Brett Farve saga in Green Bay...the am I coming back or not game got old...and to an extent held the organization hostage...much like Buzz never killed the rumors the last 3 off seasons...I get the impression Cords/Wild saw that he wasn't totally committed long term...and felt better to be proactive...and move forward to a coach that definitely wanted to be at MU...and they and others in MU athletic leadership may have grown tired of the drama/prima donna tendencies.  Marotta indicating how much love/attention Buzz needed to feel...reminiscent of Brett Farve.

i bet this has a lot of truth to it

[Eldon]

this is one of the made up reasons to be angry. Who was duped? When did he claim otherwise?

Take it up with MU if you're upset the relationship didn't work. I take this to mean MU wanted one direction for the program, Buzz wanted another, and neither caved. Thus: no more working together.

It doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Both will get a partner that better fits their goals.

"You can tell the size of a man by the size of things that bother him." – Adlai E. Stevenson

Don't invent things to be bothered about

Honestly, I'm not really bothered.  DJ Newbill's story always made me question Buzz.

What am I making up?  Do you honestly disagree that Buzz didn't portray himself as a people person?  Clearly DJ Newbill's family bought it.  Then, when a stud recruit comes along, and Newbill is thrown to the trash.  This is college bball, I get it.  But Buzz put on the facade of actually caring.

Do you honestly believe that Buzz would write letters to people (30 per month, cf. PaintTouches) just because it made those people feel good?  Come on, bro.  Buzz is not Father Naus.  Buzz wrote all those letters for himself.  For networking.  For career advancement.  To build allies, not friends.

[connie]

i bet this has a lot of truth to it

I think you might be right.  Even for someone you like you can only bend over so many times to stroke their ego before you get worn out.  Someone else posted the "dating the crazy hot chick" analogy.  It's great when it starts, and then it wears you out.  When it ends you wonder how you ever let it get to that point.  Buzz always was a bit nutty.  At first it was endearing.  After a while...

[Pakuni]

The blame game is stupid and pointless.
Buzz no longer wanted to be at MU.
MU no longer wanted Buzz to be its coach.

No one was to "blame." They drifted apart.

[willie warrior]

He was pushed out. He was here as long as we wanted him. The dude lost his job. Why kick him while he's down?

Our AD is in the process of signing one of three active coaches who have been to three consecutive final fours.

MU is better off for having had Buzz as our coach
Buzz is better off for us having bet on him

We'll move forward in even better shape with Howland.

I don't understand these things people are making up to be angry about. It's all good news.

Source? Or opinion. If he was pushed, why. Your opinion implies he was a great guy. Not buying it or he would not have been pushed out!

[MUMBA]

A mentor advised me that you might be able to squeeze your employer for a counteroffer once, maybe twice.  But if you get piggish, they might just wish you luck with your future endeavors.  My world is barely comparable to college basketball coaching, but this simple truth seems to play here.

Good luck to buzz in his new gig.  Never enjoyed coaches shows as much before.  I use some of his quotes in my work routinely.  I appreciate what he did, but I'm ready to look forward. 

[Avenue Commons]

He was pushed out. He was here as long as we wanted him. The dude lost his job. Why kick him while he's down?

Our AD is in the process of signing one of three active coaches who have been to three consecutive final fours.

MU is better off for having had Buzz as our coach
Buzz is better off for us having bet on him

We'll move forward in even better shape with Howland.

I don't understand these things people are making up to be angry about. It's all good news.

I agree. I actually feel bad for Buzz. He did a LOT of good for Marquette and I hope everyone remember that. I wish him the best of luck with the move and his new job.

The spin that Buzz jilted us I think set the wrong tone at the onset. As things settle, people will understand this was a divorce, and like a lot of divorces it was about irreconcilable differences, it didn't happen overnight, everyone was partly to blame, and it wasn't pretty.

It is also worth reiterating that Buzz did NOT lie at any time. He was offered a new job and he took it. He coached Marquette for as long as they would have him. He left because "relationships changed." Again, there is no reason to kick Buzz on the way out the door. There may be an argument that he has as much to be angry about with Marquette as Marquette does with him.

[The Process]

I think you might be right.  Even for someone you like you can only bend over so many times to stroke their ego before you get worn out.  Someone else posted the "dating the crazy hot chick" analogy.  It's great when it starts, and then it wears you out.  When it ends you wonder how you ever let it get to that point.  Buzz always was a bit nutty.  At first it was endearing.  After a while...

http://www.youtube.com/v/9NF5XU-k2Vk

[chapman]

I do question that.  When Cords and Fr. Wild returned, even if temporary, it would seem that the ego should have been soothed.  Dude, you won, what the heck more did you want?

Just his way in everything.  When any Board member, booster, or fan became aware of a disagreement between he and LW, they will have sided with the coach who has won and has been here longer over the evil Domer.  When the coach looks for help dictating his way past Cords and Wild, he has nobody in his corner.  While I hate that we had to ask for help from those who have already done more than they should ever be asked, bravo to the Board for placing perhaps the only two people with the legitimacy to be allowed to navigate through what was going on.

[nathanziarek]

I agree. I actually feel bad for Buzz. He did a LOT of good for Marquette and I hope everyone remember that.

Buzz was paid extremely well to do that good. I don't wish him ill or wish him well. He was a cog that's being replaced. Nothing more.

[willie warrior]

I agree. I actually feel bad for Buzz. He did a LOT of good for Marquette and I hope everyone remember that. I wish him the best of luck with the move and his new job.

The spin that Buzz jilted us I think set the wrong tone at the onset. As things settle, people will understand this was a divorce, and like a lot of divorces it was about irreconcilable differences, it didn't happen overnight, everyone was partly to blame, and it wasn't pretty.

It is also worth reiterating that Buzz did NOT lie at any time. He was offered a new job and he took it. He coached Marquette for as long as they would have him. He left because "relationships changed." Again, there is no reason to kick Buzz on the way out the door. There may be an argument that he has as much to be angry about with Marquette as Marquette does with him.

Pure "spin"

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Do you honestly disagree that Buzz didn't portray himself as a people person?  Clearly DJ Newbill's family bought it.  Then, when a stud recruit comes along, and Newbill is thrown to the trash.  This is college bball, I get it.  But Buzz put on the facade of actually caring.

I agree Buzz portrayed himself as a people person. In my limited exchanges with him I found him to be that. I'm confused how the Newbill situation makes Buzz not a people person.

I'm not defending the Newbill thing, but I guess I don't know how that contradicts his being a people person.

I think that, in jobs like these, you are accountable to a lot of different stakeholders. You do the bet you can to align all of their interests together. It seems like with Newbill he failed to do that.

Do you honestly believe that Buzz would write letters to people (30 per month, cf. PaintTouches) just because it made those people feel good?  Come on, bro.  Buzz is not Father Naus.  Buzz wrote all those letters for himself.  For networking.  For career advancement.  To build allies, not friends.

Yes, you have tone a self-promoter in order to make it in college coaching, and Buzz is/was proficient at it. I'm saying how is being a good networker at odds with building meaningful relationships?

In my experience (limited) the people with a solid "network" that goes to bat for them are legit relationship builders. Networking gets a bad name as some transactional short-term manipulative thing.

Brings me to my final point: I don't understand how people feel manipulated. Of course Buzz was here because it benefitted him. What coach wouldn't? I think anyone here who is angered because they thought Buzz = Fr. Naus is really upset because they are stupid enough to think that.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Source? Or opinion. If he was pushed, why. Your opinion implies he was a great guy. Not buying it or he would not have been pushed out!

No source, just in my opinion the facts don't match up with this being Buzz leaving on his own. He would have been more strategic to pick a solid next job. His brand equity was enough to be considered for top jobs. Va Tech was a "whats available now?" move.

Who in the world is a "great guy" or "bad guy"? I'm not saying he's perfect I'm not saying he's a douche. I'm saying it appears something happened that made MU want to part ways.

So if you received a poor performance review from your job, your response would be "So you don't think I'm a great guy?"

[ChicosBailBonds]

Six string, your acceptance of Buzz's actions sure seem different now vs the last guy.  Lol

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Pure "spin"

no shades of grey for willie

are you a good guy who has never made a mistake or a bad guy who murders and lies constantly? since there's no third option..

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Six string, your acceptance of Buzz's actions sure seem different now vs the last guy.  Lol

which guy?