DJ Newbill and Vander Blue comparison

[reinko]

It's something we'll never know. But I think the comparison should be Newbill and Jamil Wilson.

Shhhh,
This way it fits the narrative of the poster who shall not be named.

[GGGG]

A volume shooter?  He's done virtually everything better than Vander did last year percentage wise and output wise - shoot, rebound, get to the line....and many think it is easier to be a better player when surrounded with other high level talent.  The fact Newbill is getting it done at a better rate than Vander last year, on a team with mediocre talent in the Big 10 - which is a tough league....I'd say he's shown he does a lot well.

I want to know what Newbill does particularly well at the next level.  He seems to do a lot of things at Penn State because he is the guy.  He's not a point guard though.  His shot isn't *that* good.  He isn't overly athletic.

He seems like a good college guard.

And Vander is a better player.  Period.  You have been trying this argument for over a year and it is still wrong.

[Eldon]

Did the Newbill incident ever make anybody else question Buzz and his "people-first" schtick?  I mean on one hand, Buzz seems very genuine in his desire about putting people before anything else, his love for former players, his good deeds that he does (even without the publicity).  This all makes me think that he is a very sincere and caring person.

But, on the other hand, it seems we did Newbill dirty.  No ifs ands or buts about it, the kid wanted to come here, signed the LOI, and we pulled the rug from under him to get a better player.  I know that this is "part of the business of college basketball" and I'm totally fine with that.  But the disturbing part for me is that Buzz puts out the perception that he is above all of that, that people are more important than the "business of college basketball."

I don't know, just my random thoughts.  Wonder if anyone felt similar.

[jesmu84]

Did the Newbill incident ever make anybody else question Buzz and his "people-first" schtick?  I mean on one hand, Buzz seems very genuine in his desire about putting people before anything else, his love for former players, his good deeds that he does (even without the publicity).  This all makes me think that he is a very sincere and caring person.

But, on the other hand, it seems we did Newbill dirty.  No ifs ands or buts about it, the kid wanted to come here, signed the LOI, and we pulled the rug from under him to get a better player.  I know that this is "part of the business of college basketball" and I'm totally fine with that.  But the disturbing part for me is that Buzz puts out the perception that he is above all of that, that people are more important than the "business of college basketball."

I don't know, just my random thoughts.  Wonder if anyone felt similar.

No one knows what really happened here except for Buzz/MU coaches, Newbill and his family. And i'm sure even those people would all tell slightly different versions of the story. You're going to get a lot of people responding to this stating a bunch of "facts" though. So have fun making a decision.

Only thing I'll say is this:

Can, open. Worms, everywhere.

[NersEllenson]

I want to know what Newbill does particularly well at the next level.  He seems to do a lot of things at Penn State because he is the guy.  He's not a point guard though.  His shot isn't *that* good.  He isn't overly athletic.

He seems like a good college guard.

And Vander is a better player.  Period.  You have been trying this argument for over a year and it is still wrong.

Wager?  You see Blue doing well in D-League, which is great...I'll just wager that Newbill gets drafted...whether he tries to come out this year or next?

And I love how you discredited him at Southern Miss for playing against poor competition, then he goes to Big 10..arguably best league this year and lights it up, and across the board all of his stats are better than Vander last year...but its only because Penn State isn't very good and not that talented...which therefore should make it easier to shut a guy down (as has Jamil been on this weak MU team)..but in Newbill's case...it's the reason for his success and numbers being better this year than Vander last year??

As for NBA...he'll be a really good 2 guard prospect - he's a legit 6'5 - and is a much more physical player than Vander, though not as explosive.  He's a better shooter than Vander from 2 and 3...and he'll be able to post other 2 guards as his career evolves...

[GGGG]

I don't gamble.  If Newbill is drafted and makes an NBA roster, I will tip my cap to you.

[jesmu84]

This is an out-there question... but if we're going to go ahead and compare the two, is it fair to either of them to compare newbill's numbers this year to blue's numbers last year? Aaren't they the same age/class? I don't think you can compare blue's pro numbers this year to newbill's college numbers. But I don't think you should compare a 4 year player's stats to a 3 year palyer.

[NersEllenson]

This is an out-there question... but if we're going to go ahead and compare the two, is it fair to either of them to compare newbill's numbers this year to blue's numbers last year? Aaren't they the same age/class? I don't think you can compare blue's pro numbers this year to newbill's college numbers. But I don't think you should compare a 4 year player's stats to a 3 year palyer.

The post was intended to illustrate how good Newbill has played this year...as many here thought Vander was a superstar last year...and how much it would have helped to have Newbill on this team..and what could have been in both Newbill and Blue were playing together as seniors right now on this team.  Felt given Vander's improvement from Year 2 to 3 at MU, taking the next step in his development at MU..his numbers likely would have looked like Newbill's do this year (as he and Vander were virtually identical last year statistically speaking.)

[Lennys Tap]

Wager?  You see Blue doing well in D-League, which is great...I'll just wager that Newbill gets drafted...whether he tries to come out this year or next?

And I love how you discredited him at Southern Miss for playing against poor competition, then he goes to Big 10..arguably best league this year and lights it up, and across the board all of his stats are better than Vander last year...but its only because Penn State isn't very good and not that talented...which therefore should make it easier to shut a guy down (as has Jamil been on this weak MU team)..but in Newbill's case...it's the reason for his success and numbers being better this year than Vander last year??

As for NBA...he'll be a really good 2 guard prospect - he's a legit 6'5 - and is a much more physical player than Vander, though not as explosive.  He's a better shooter than Vander from 2 and 3...and he'll be able to post other 2 guards as his career evolves...

Ners,

I'd bet 1000 that DJ doesn't get drafted and another 1000 that Blue plays in more NBA games in his first 5 years out of college than Newbill does.

[NersEllenson]

Ners,

I'd bet 1000 that DJ doesn't get drafted and another 1000 that Blue plays in more NBA games in his first 5 years out of college than Newbill does.

You've got yourself a wager.   

[jesmu84]

You've got yourself a wager.   

whoa. have we had any bigger wager than $2k on this site?

[77ncaachamps]

Newbill eats Jake's lunch 9 out of 10 times.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

NVM

[ChicosBailBonds]

DJ Newbill made All Big Ten 2nd team today.


I have to eat crow on Crawford from Northwestern....didn't make it.  Finished strong with 27 points yesterday against the Boils, but too little too late.