X v. CU

[PGsHeroes32]

X wasn't even among the last 4 in, 1st 4 out anyways.

Its us winning

And providence and St.Johns losing that we need.

Obviousy those go hand in hand for a lot of this.

X winning just makes it harder to get sole possession of 3rd which would look really nice.

[MarquetteBallin]

On one hand, I want to respond by saying that if there's so much negativity toward CU, there just might be a reason for it.  However, I'll just tell you that I currently live in Omaha (born in Lincoln and raised as an MU fan by my alum dad).  Dreamed about playing for Marquette from the time I was a little kid until I realized that I sucked when I was 16.  I grew up seeing Creighton as the enemy (terrible experience in '88 when I was 5 and my dad took me and my brother to the MU-CU game...CU fans were awful to us before the game and even worse after we lost...saw them when they came back in '96 and we won...even worse treatment from CU fans).  Being from Omaha and not growing up an MU fan, I can see why you would be fond of Creighton basketball.  But I'm not.  At all.    

Hey, this isn't summer camp. We don't all have to get along. I think MU-CU will turn in to a great rivalry, and it's a natural fit. I just would prefer it to be a rivalry on the court, because there is no reason CU and MU fans should despise each other. We're more or less the same university 500 miles apart --great education, Jesuit, good tradition, and dealing with its own antichrist state university just an hour down the road.


Sorry that CU fans treated you like $hit--that should never happen and. Most Jays fans are genuinely great...unfortunately it's the 10% of any fan base that ruins it for everyone.

[mattyv1908]

X wasn't even among the last 4 in, 1st 4 out anyways.

Its us winning

And providence and St.Johns losing that we need.

Obviousy those go hand in hand for a lot of this.

X winning just makes it harder to get sole possession of 3rd which would look really nice.

I disagree, not because I don't want to finish in 3rd, but because this isn't the same Big East we're accustomed to.  A team that finished 9-9 or better in the old 16 team BE would almost always equal a tournament bid and third place would likely be a 3-5 seed.  This year I don't think this conference has enough clout where the committee simply has to look at our conference record and where we finished.  Our overall body of work is more important this year simply because there are far fewer opportunities to earn signature wins in conference.

Marquette in my mind needs 20 wins and five in the top 50 RPI or 21 wins and four in the top 50 RPI.  I think the Villanova game tomorrow is a must win unless St. John's cracks the top 50.

[towncryer]

Hey, this isn't summer camp. We don't all have to get along. I think MU-CU will turn in to a great rivalry, and it's a natural fit. I just would prefer it to be a rivalry on the court, because there is no reason CU and MU fans should despise each other. We're more or less the same university 500 miles apart --great education, Jesuit, good tradition, and dealing with its own antichrist state university just an hour down the road.


Sorry that CU fans treated you like $hit--that should never happen and. Most Jays fans are genuinely great...unfortunately it's the 10% of any fan base that ruins it for everyone.

Haha...nice.  I have to say, though, that as an alum of the University of Nebraska, I resent the antichrist comment  I'm a strange one, to be sure.  I LOVE Nebraska football because I was born and raised here.  But I assure you, had Marquette still had a football team when I was born, I'd feel the same way about Nebraska football as I do about Creighton basketball.  

[PGsHeroes32]

I disagree, not because I don't want to finish in 3rd, but because this isn't the same Big East we're accustomed to.  A team that finished 9-9 or better in the old 16 team BE would almost always equal a tournament bid and third place would likely be a 3-5 seed.  This year I don't think this conference has enough clout where the committee simply has to look at our conference record and where we finished.  Our overall body of work is more important this year simply because there are far fewer opportunities to earn signature wins in conference.

Marquette in my mind needs 20 wins and five in the top 50 RPI or 21 wins and four in the top 50 RPI.  I think the Villanova game tomorrow is a must in unless St. John's cracks the top 50.

I don't really get your disagreement? I was saying that regardless of X we just need wins? That's what you said.

I just stated that X winning makes it harder to get 3rd but we need to win games regardless.

That said....If we were 11-7 in conference and had sole possession of 3rd no chance we get left out.

That would basically mean we Swept gtwon and Prov. Split with SJU and Xavier.

That would be 6-2 vs the fellow bubble teams. Something tells me we win that battle and the overall conference battle.

[mattyv1908]

I hear you Hayward.


For the team's sake I hope you're right.  I'm just not sold on winning 3rd place guarantees us an at large in this year's league.

2-1 (loss to Nova) - I think we may need to win the BET
2-1 (beat Nova) - I think we need to reach the BE Championship game
3-0 - We'll need one game in the BET

Again, I hope I'm wrong but something tells me Marquette can't leave it up to the committee.

[towncryer]

I hear you Hayward.


For the team's sake I hope you're right.  I'm just not sold on winning 3rd place guarantees us an at large in this year's league.

2-1 (loss to Nova) - I think we may need to win the BET
2-1 (beat Nova) - I think we need to reach the BE Championship game
3-0 - We'll need one game in the BET

Again, I hope I'm wrong but something tells me Marquette can't leave it up to the committee.

Whether or not you are right, I agree.  I'd WAY rather win out and then take one or two games in the BET and not even give the committee the option to leave us out. 

[PGsHeroes32]

I hear you Hayward.


For the team's sake I hope you're right.  I'm just not sold on winning 3rd place guarantees us an at large in this year's league.

2-1 (loss to Nova) - I think we may need to win the BET
2-1 (beat Nova) - I think we need to reach the BE Championship game
3-0 - We'll need one game in the BET

Again, I hope I'm wrong but something tells me Marquette can't leave it up to the committee.

Forsure we can't leave it up to the committee.

But the BE is a top 4 RPI conference. I'm just saying that if we are owning head to heads and conference records against the other bubble teams it's going to be hard to leave us out at 11-7. I mean I guess maybe they just take 3 teams(X being the 3rd) but no way at 11-7 is SJU, Prov or GTown going before us and I really think 4 teams are going. I mean the SEC is trash. ACC has no depth or good wins. So our resume would stack up alright then take in the 11-7 and I like the chances.

That said. My initial post was in agreement that it doesn't matter what X did vs Creighton. We HAVE to win basketball games regardless. Forsure 3 more wins to even consider getting in.

[mattyv1908]

Forsure we can't leave it up to the committee.

But the BE is a top 4 RPI conference. I'm just saying that if we are owning head to heads and conference records against the other bubble teams it's going to be hard to leave us out at 11-7. I mean I guess maybe they just take 3 teams(X being the 3rd) but no way at 11-7 is SJU, Prov or GTown going before us and I really think 4 teams are going. I mean the SEC is trash. ACC has no depth or good wins. So our resume would stack up alright then take in the 11-7 and I like the chances.

That said. My initial post was in agreement that it doesn't matter what X did vs Creighton. We HAVE to win basketball games regardless. Forsure 3 more wins to even consider getting in.

My only objection is to the part of your post I bolded, as in you're scenario of finishing 11-7 (2-1 in the remaining games) I think it's absolutely NECESSARY that our win over Xavier is a top 50 win.

For the record you and I share a lot of agreement on this board and I'm in no way calling out your logic in this thread.

[bilsu]

Xavier won and my guess is if we cannot be tied for third at the end of the season we will not get a bid. We are getting so little respect right now that I feel the minimum wins we need to get a bid is 21.

[PGsHeroes32]

My only objection is to the part of your post I bolded, as in you're scenario of finishing 11-7 (2-1 in the remaining games) I think it's absolutely NECESSARY that our win over Xavier is a top 50 win.

For the record you and I share a lot of agreement on this board and I'm in no way calling out your logic in this thread.

O yeah it was necessary. What I meant by the X win not mattering I meant in terms of HURTING us lol. My line of thinking was that we didn't need to root against them because at the end of the day we still need to win games and as you said them winning provides a sure fire top 50 win for us.

So it was a win-win basically. They lose and we have an even better chance of getting 3rd(this is also key because it may avoid playing SJU). or they win and we got our top 50 win locked up.

So yeah, we are definitely in agreement about this game. I just have a little more confidence in the committee letting us in lol.

[PGsHeroes32]

Xavier won and my guess is if we cannot be tied for third at the end of the season we will not get a bid. We are getting so little respect right now that I feel the minimum wins we need to get a bid is 21.

This is what is worrying me too. A lot of places are not talking about us. Then you get someone like Lunardi who tweets we are next 4 out...then the next day for his bracketology we are absent 

One thing though, if we finish strong I know it's a stretch but...the committee has been generous to us relative to many "experts" picks in the past AND we are coming off 3 straight sweet 16s 1 of which was as an 11. If we are neck and neck with some team that may end up working??

[forgetful]

Xavier won and my guess is if we cannot be tied for third at the end of the season we will not get a bid. We are getting so little respect right now that I feel the minimum wins we need to get a bid is 21.

Win tomorrow and we will be in most people brackets and be the hot surprise bubble team.

[PGsHeroes32]

Win tomorrow and we will be in most people brackets and be the hot surprise bubble team.

Sadly, I don't think we would be in most..at that point.

But we would forsure be close enough that winning 2 of the next 3 would get us in forsure, in my opinion.

I think if we win(please bball gods let this happen) we are 2 or 3rd out on Lunardis bracket.

[mattyv1908]

Win tomorrow and we will be in most people brackets and be the hot surprise bubble team.

I agree - IF THE SEASON ENDED FOLLOWING SUNDAY'S WIN - but we could just as easily play ourselves off the bubble win a loss to Providence the following game.

There is no margin for error.  Oh how important that Butler loss is these days.  A win there and 2-1 does get us in.

[MUfan12]

When they win, opposing fans are shocked because Creighton doesn't have the look of a big-time team, thus, they're chalked up to being "floppers."

Yeah, no.

I know they're good. I've watched them a bunch this year, and they love to flop on any contact. I find that annoying.

[PGsHeroes32]

Yeah of all the games the butler debacle really hurts the worst.

Sure, that good non conference SDSU win would be great.

But Butler makes no bad losses and an even harder to deny conference record.

[brandx]

I disagree, not because I don't want to finish in 3rd, but because this isn't the same Big East we're accustomed to.  A team that finished 9-9 or better in the old 16 team BE would almost always equal a tournament bid and third place would likely be a 3-5 seed.  This year I don't think this conference has enough clout where the committee simply has to look at our conference record and where we finished.  Our overall body of work is more important this year simply because there are far fewer opportunities to earn signature wins in conference.

Marquette in my mind needs 20 wins and five in the top 50 RPI or 21 wins and four in the top 50 RPI.  I think the Villanova game tomorrow is a must in unless St. John's cracks the top 50.

I've been saying this all along - especially early when people were talking about 6 teams from the conference. Now, we either beat Nova, and then at least split the next two games PLUS win at least two in the BET or we have to win the BET. Those are the only two ways I see in.

[PGsHeroes32]

I've been saying this all along - especially early when people were talking about 6 teams from the conference. Now, we either beat Nova, and then at least split the next two games PLUS win at least two in the BET or we have to win the BET. Those are the only two ways I see in.

I know A LOT has to happen to even allow us to see whose right or wrong but I'm telling you right now beating Nova and winning 1 more(take your pick Prov or SJU) and then 1 BET game and we are IN. Now, I am not confident enough to say whether or not we are in Dayton on Tuesday/Wednesday but we here our name called.

[chapman]

Yeah of all the games the butler debacle really hurts the worst.

Sure, that good non conference SDSU win would be great.

But Butler makes no bad losses and an even harder to deny conference record.

Either OT loss would do.  The quality win against Villanova would have been even better than avoiding the bad Butler loss.  And sitting at 18-10 (10-5) with an RPI of 57/59 looks remarkably better than 17-11 (9-6) and an RPI of 73.

[PGsHeroes32]

Either OT loss would do.  The quality win against Villanova would have been even better than avoiding the bad Butler loss.  And sitting at 18-10 (10-5) with an RPI of 57/59 looks remarkably better than 17-11 (9-6) and an RPI of 73.

True that the Nova one woulda been great but we had a miracle comeback and gift call for that to even happen lol.

Butler was one where we let them bck in the game and went full on bad for 15 minutes.

[Texas Western]

What is with all the hate for Creighton? I'm an MU grad, but grew up in Omaha and a CU fan my whole life so my loyalty leans towards CU. All I see on this board is bashing of Creighton and their fans. Because of a few drunk morons at the game in Milwaukee? I was at the game, and saw nothing but respectful Creighton fans. There are idiots in every fan base. The vast majority of Creighton fans are respectful, knowledgable fans who are beyond thrilled to be in the Big East and aspire to have the type of sustained success Marquette has had over its history. We certainly enjoy having respectful, knowledgeable fan bases in the Big East as opposed to the garbage we had to put up with against the likes of Wichita, Southern Illinois, etc.

Creighton has an excellent team this year, and full of good, likable kids. Greg McD is a class act. They don't talk trash, don't showboat to the crowd, etc. and yet this board hates them. I honestly don't get it. For four years in college, I saw Boeheim, Pitino, and a dozen other teams with absolute pricks on up and down the roster coached by raging @$$ holes...yet the hate for Creighton is almost beyond what I saw for those teams.

I think it is fantastic that Creighton is doing well in the Big East, we really want to build the rivalries up in this conference. Creighton should take it as a badge of honor that someone is getting worked up over them.

[brandx]

I know A LOT has to happen to even allow us to see whose right or wrong but I'm telling you right now beating Nova and winning 1 more(take your pick Prov or SJU) and then 1 BET game and we are IN. Now, I am not confident enough to say whether or not we are in Dayton on Tuesday/Wednesday but we here our name called.

I like it when people give their prediction - guess we'll see who is right.

[PGsHeroes32]

I like it when people give their prediction - guess we'll see who is right.

yeah in this case hopefully I'm right for our sake lol.

But damn did you guys see the spread for the game? We are basically DOA.

[Texas Western]

I think Xavier winning helps all of the Big East. Creighton is well respected this year and a road loss to a tough opponent is not a big deal for them. Xavier on the other hand gets a signature win and I think pretty much locks in a spot for the tournament. I would like to see them win their next two as well. That would in effect give us a signature win over them.  Now we need to do our share and win the rest of the games we play and get at least two wins in the Big East Tournament. I think at that point we have some a very solid resume .