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pbiflyer

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 22, 2014, 04:32:52 PM
Yeah I think ultimately its Davante. He made the clutch free throws.


Buzz being the fool he is had him on the bench for most of the second half and he never got in rhythm.

Really? I guess our success for the last 6 years was in spite of buzz? Only one fool here.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: pbiflyer on February 22, 2014, 09:27:29 PM
Really? I guess our success for the last 6 years was in spite of buzz? Only one fool here.

....And were back.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....


forgetful


GGGG

Quote from: bilsu on February 22, 2014, 09:18:43 PM
The makeup of the team is Buzz's fault and we can hold him accountable for that. I just think this might be his best coaching job, because third place is amazing with the limitations this team has.


Yeah, I have said from the early part of this year that Buzz is paying the price for the recruiting mistakes especially in the back court.

Jamal Ferguson was a mistake.  Took the verbal too early from a guy who peaked early.
Jamail Jones was a mistake.  Just didn't pan out.
TJ Taylor...well...hard to blame Buzz for that one.
Vander Blue...not his fault

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mattyv1908

SOTG in regulation is Mayo easily

SOTG in overtime is Gardner

For what it's worth, and this is not a Derrick Wilson bash, but I think the difference between a comfortable blowout and an overtime nail biter is the great Gardner feed to Wilson that was bricked underneath the rim from point blank range that would have taken a 7 point lead to 9 and instead resulted in points on the other end.  I said to my wife and kids watching on PST after work without knowledge of the outcome that that miss would be critical and a turning point in the momentum of the game.  It's too bad the kid can't hit the broad side of a barn from gimmie range or this team would be significantly better.
Shut this board down at the opening tip.  If they win, open it back up.  If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.  - Sultan of Slurpery

mattyv1908

Honerable mention:  Buzz Williams.  He kept Todd Mayo in the game despite his temporary lack of judgement.  We don't know what was said in the exchange between the two players but I think that was a huge leap of faith for Buzz to acknowledge Mayo's importance and leadership and will pay huge dividends next year regardless of this season's success.
Shut this board down at the opening tip.  If they win, open it back up.  If they lose, keep it shut it down until the next morning.  - Sultan of Slurpery

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 23, 2014, 01:58:41 AM
SOTG in regulation is Mayo easily

SOTG in overtime is Gardner

For what it's worth, and this is not a Derrick Wilson bash, but I think the difference between a comfortable blowout and an overtime nail biter is the great Gardner feed to Wilson that was bricked underneath the rim from point blank range that would have taken a 7 point lead to 9 and instead resulted in points on the other end.  I said to my wife and kids watching on PST after work without knowledge of the outcome that that miss would be critical and a turning point in the momentum of the game.  It's too bad the kid can't hit the broad side of a barn from gimmie range or this team would be significantly better.

While I also don't want to sound like a Derrick hater, that was embarrassing.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

JakeBarnes

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CTWarrior

Gardner, with honorable mention to Todd Mayo.
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mileskishnish72

Tough call - going with the Ox.

River rat

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 AM
While I also don't want to sound like a Derrick hater, that was embarrassing.
How about DG going up soft for the layup that would have salted the game away?

River rat


wadesworld

Quote from: River rat on February 23, 2014, 09:25:15 AM
How about DG going up soft for the layup that would have salted the game away?

Exactly. Derrick wasn't the only one to miss a bunny. The guy we're applauding for creating the opportunity for Derrick did the same thing.

TheTulsaWarrior

Quote from: bilsu on February 22, 2014, 09:18:43 PM
The makeup of the team is Buzz's fault and we can hold him accountable for that. I just think this might be his best coaching job, because third place is amazing with the limitations this team has.

I couldn't agree more.

NersEllenson

Quote from: wadesworld on February 23, 2014, 09:30:30 AM
Exactly. Derrick wasn't the only one to miss a bunny. The guy we're applauding for creating the opportunity for Derrick did the same thing.

Gardner's bunny was blocked, FYI.  And, Gardner has earned a little leeway considering he is the team's most efficient scorer, leading scorer, made clutch FT after FT down the stretch and finished with 22 points in 23 minutes.  A far cry from the other guy...who in 33 minutes against the worst team in conference delivered all of 3 points and 3 assists...but hey...he did make a LAYUP at a critical point in the game!!
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

GGGG

Are we seriously debating who had the worse missed lay up?

LOL....people need a little more perspective.

NersEllenson

Quote from: The Sultan of Slurpery on February 23, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
Are we seriously debating who had the worse missed lay up?

LOL....people need a little more perspective.

I agree, it is funny!!  Felt a little context and perspective needed to be added to wadesworld's decision to contrast the Wilson miss with the Gardner miss...hopefully wades will be able to understand a little better why some were frustrated with the easy missed layup of Derrick's, while Gardner was given a pass.   
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: Ners on February 23, 2014, 09:54:21 AM
Gardner's bunny was blocked, FYI.  And, Gardner has earned a little leeway considering he is the team's most efficient scorer, leading scorer, made clutch FT after FT down the stretch and finished with 22 points in 23 minutes.  A far cry from the other guy...who in 33 minutes against the worst team in conference delivered all of 3 points and 3 assists...but hey...he did make a LAYUP at a critical point in the game!!
If he had been clutch at the line the game would never have gone to OT. 

forgetful

Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 23, 2014, 02:10:36 AM
Honerable mention:  Buzz Williams.  He kept Todd Mayo in the game despite his temporary lack of judgement.  We don't know what was said in the exchange between the two players but I think that was a huge leap of faith for Buzz to acknowledge Mayo's importance and leadership and will pay huge dividends next year regardless of this season's success.

I actually thought the exact same thing. Buzz is starting to gain trust in Mayo.  I also think that Mayo very rarely shows emotion so something like that is abnormal and you don't need to set him down, in contrast to a guy like Gardner that lets his emotions get the best of him sometime.

NersEllenson

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 23, 2014, 12:23:12 PM
If he had been clutch at the line the game would never have gone to OT. 

Maybe if our starting PG who got 28 minutes in regulation, made just a single basket, scored a single point..the game wouldn't have gone to OT.

But to your point... Gardner has been a huge failure this season. He's let the team down so much.  Gets to deal with double teams every game, and not seeing the ball frequently due to the paint area being packed with an extra defender due to our PG not commanding any respect on the perimeter, and thereby not needing to be guarded and allowing the extra defender into the paint.

Man, if only Gardner had better leadership skills...maybe he could exert his influence on the other team's coach and suggest they man up and defend Derrick all over the court.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 23, 2014, 12:23:12 PM
If he had been clutch at the line the game would never have gone to OT. 

What?

You boozing on this fine Sunday?
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

GGGG

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on February 23, 2014, 12:49:02 PM
What?

You boozing on this fine Sunday?


Gardner went 1-2 on the FT line that would have put us up by 2 with thirty seconds left.

He made one...DPU missed the next shot....Jamil made 2...DPU sent it to OT with a 3.

77ncaachamps

Quote from: Ners on February 23, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
Maybe if our starting PG who got 28 minutes in regulation, made just a single basket, scored a single point..the game wouldn't have gone to OT.

But to your point... Gardner has been a huge failure this season. He's let the team down so much.  Gets to deal with double teams every game, and not seeing the ball frequently due to the paint area being packed with an extra defender due to our PG not commanding any respect on the perimeter, and thereby not needing to be guarded and allowing the extra defender into the paint.

Man, if only Gardner had better leadership skills...maybe he could exert his influence on the other team's coach and suggest they man up and defend Derrick all over the court.

1) I agree with you: if Derrick had some offensive, there wouldn't be a constant double on DG
2) if Derrick and Jake cut to the hoop (or in Jakes case, slide beyond the three), then the PG trapped in PF's body could assist more
3) offense shouldn't run through DG, though they've forced that this season
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