S.O.T.G.

[AZWarrior]

But I think I have to vote for Davante. Got us buckets, fouled out three of Depaul's bigs, hit FTs when they mattered,  5 boards, and showed some defensive skills altering a lot of depaul's drives to the hoop

Good logic.  DG gets my vote, assuming this board has become a democracy.

It was really good to see Otule play some assertive offense.  But it's just weird that we are #1 in the conference in team defense, yet we let DePaul put up so many points.  

[bradley center bat]

Chris Otule!

[Norm]

Davante. But I won't be shocked if it goes to someone else, as Gardner's scoring is usually taken for granted on this board and it will go to someone else who had a good effort.

[wadesworld]

Yeah I think ultimately its Davante. He made the clutch free throws.


Buzz being the fool he is had him on the bench for most of the second half and he never got in rhythm.

Which college program are you coaching?

[bilsu]

A lot of choices, but I have to go with Otule. He played way above his normal offensive game.

[Archies Bat]

Gardner!!!

Is it STOG or SOTG? 

[PGsHeroes32]

Which college program are you coaching?

Why is this always the message board defense?

because you have nothing better? NEXT.

[wadesworld]

Why is this always the message board defense?

because you have nothing better? NEXT.

Yes.  Buzz is a fool.  He has never missed an NCAA Tournament at Marquette.  His last 3 years he's gone Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8.  But yes, Buzz "being the fool that he is..."

So again, what college program do you coach?

[PGsHeroes32]

Yes.  Buzz is a fool.  He has never missed an NCAA Tournament at Marquette.  His last 3 years he's gone Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8.  But yes, Buzz "being the fool that he is..."

So again, what college program do you coach?

What do those years have to do with this years team?

hes got this years team at 16-11 and needing a miracle to make it. So what he's doing is NOT working.

People like you are ridiculous. Why the hell do you even post on here? There is no room for debate if you argument is can you do better.

God get a life.

[PGsHeroes32]

What college program do you coach Einstein?

None? Thought so.

So you also cannot judge good or bad.


as I said. NEXT.

[wadesworld]

What do those years have to do with this years team?

hes got this years team at 16-11 and needing a miracle to make it. So what he's doing is NOT working.

People like you are ridiculous. Why the hell do you even post on here? There is no room for debate if you argument is can you do better.

God get a life.

Haha.  This is hilarious.  So Buzz was not a fool the last 3 years?  The last 6 years?  He just became one this year?  Forgot everything he knew about basketball?  Interesting perspective.

What college program do you coach Einstein?

None? Thought so.

So you also cannot judge good or bad.


as I said. NEXT.

I am not the one calling Buzz Williams a fool.  If you are getting paid over $2 million a year to coach basketball and have done better than making 3 straight Sweet 16s, please feel free to call Buzz Williams a fool.  Otherwise, if Buzz Williams is a fool, then I guess you just have to come up with some adjective to describe yourself.  What will that be?

[PGsHeroes32]

Haha.  This is hilarious.  So Buzz was not a fool the last 3 years?  The last 6 years?  He just became one this year?  Forgot everything he knew about basketball?  Interesting perspective.

I am not the one calling Buzz Williams a fool.  If you are getting paid over $2 million a year to coach basketball and have done better than making 3 straight Sweet 16s, please feel free to call Buzz Williams a fool.  Otherwise, if Buzz Williams is a fool, then I guess you just have to come up with some adjective to describe yourself.  What will that be?

But you said he wasn't. Again, what have you coached to prove otherwise? Your idiotic argument works both ways.

Actually it isn't an argument. So Buzz is just as good of a coach as Coach K?

I mean, if us who don't coach can't say anything negative then its all positives for everyone!!! Buzz=Coach K!!!

Grinnell Division 3 coach= John Wooden!!!!

[PGsHeroes32]

I said sitting Davante for most of the second half against DePaul ws FOOLISH.

Did he sit his best players for most of the second half against Xavier? Cuse? Butler? Murray State? BYU? Davidson? Miami?

NO. He didn't. He was a FOOL today. He has been one most of this year playing illogical lineups. The record supports that.

NEXT.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I said sitting Davante for most of the second half against DePaul ws FOOLISH.

Did he sit his best players for most of the second half against Xavier? Cuse? Butler? Murray State? BYU? Davidson? Miami?

NO. He didn't. He was a FOOL today. He has been one most of this year playing illogical lineups. The record supports that.

NEXT.

You do know that Otule scored 12 points, got 4 offensive boards, and a block in that time right? Buzz played the hotter player

[PGsHeroes32]

You do know that Otule scored 12 points, got 4 offensive boards, and a block in that time right? Buzz played the hotter player

But Otule wasn't the hotter player at the time. Davante just straight up sat. Chris also bricked 3 free throws.

While we were only up 3 at half...it isn't a coincidence that we lose the half were we get less from Davante.

They could not stop him for 1.5 games...so we stop him?

Luckily in the end he was one of the main reasons we pulled off a thriller to 2-12 DePaul.

[BenCat12]

But Otule wasn't the hotter player at the time. Davante just straight up sat. Chris also bricked 3 free throws.

While we were only up 3 at half...it isn't a coincidence that we lose the half were we get less from Davante.

They could not stop him for 1.5 games...so we stop him?

Luckily in the end he was one of the main reasons we pulled off a thriller to 2-12 DePaul.

+1  Everybody talks about the great defense the starting 5 plays and how they don't turn the ball over.  What about all the empty possessions, due to the fact that those 5 are very poor on offense, and are poor free throw shooters?  Are missed free throws, empty possessions and turnovers not all the same thing?  The Creighton game was a prime example, Otule was the "hot hand" believe he got fouled on three straight possession but he only made 3 out of a possible 6 free throws, meanwhile Creighton score 7 points on the ensuing possessions.  So during that stretch we had no turnovers, no empty possessions, played the hot hand, and trailed that 3 possession series 7-4.  I don't know the exact stats or chronology, but it was something similar to that.  This has been the problem all year that I have had with personnel decisions and why I question some of Buzz's decisions.  But I am not a D1 coach with a better career winning percentage than Buzz, so I can't have an opinion. 

[Marqevans]

 Melvin?

[patso]

I never used ignore before but it does drown out the semi-literate and your thread becomes more coherent.The only thing is that the ignored get resurrected in responses to their inane posts.

[mu72warrior]

It's a push!

[bilsu]

What do those years have to do with this years team?

hes got this years team at 16-11 and needing a miracle to make it. So what he's doing is NOT working.

People like you are ridiculous. Why the hell do you even post on here? There is no room for debate if you argument is can you do better.

God get a life.

Posters here have continuously claimed that MU was the worst starting point guard and 2 g in the Big East and basically that this is the worst MU starting back court at MU that they can remember. Add to that the premise that the seniors have under performed. Yet, we are tied for 3rd place in Big East, so Buzz must be doing a lot of things right during the game. I do not think anyone one here would argue that we have more talent than Creighton or Villanova.

[PGsHeroes32]

Posters here have continuously claimed that MU was the worst starting point guard and 2 g in the Big East and basically that this is the worst MU starting back court at MU that they can remember. Add to that the premise that the seniors have under performed. Yet, we are tied for 3rd place in Big East, so Buzz must be doing a lot of things right during the game. I do not think anyone one here would argue that we have more talent than Creighton or Villanova.

Yes, I agree. But at the same time that PG and 2G are ones that people defend as well. I personally don't like them, but at the same time do see things that they add and have admitted at this point they are among our best possible 5 man lineup(jamil, davante and todd thrown in). It's some of Buzz randomly loyalty that is annoying though. His post game quote are like what? I mean he even said Davante played great today besides to late plays. But why did he sit for so long then? Sure Chris scored some...but Davante was scoring at will for 1.5 games vs them.

Either way, I don't care if you agree with me. It's a message board. We all got our opinions. It pisses me off when someone resorts to the "what team are you coaching" or "where are you playing argument". Seriously? If you can't see how asinine that is on a sports message board idk what to say.

You can disagree with me all you want just don't resort to that.

[GGGG]

Posters here have continuously claimed that MU was the worst starting point guard and 2 g in the Big East and basically that this is the worst MU starting back court at MU that they can remember. Add to that the premise that the seniors have under performed. Yet, we are tied for 3rd place in Big East, so Buzz must be doing a lot of things right during the game. I do not think anyone one here would argue that we have more talent than Creighton or Villanova.

This is well stated.  We have a bunch of players who have significant limitations.  MU was overrated in pre-season and because of that, they have under-performed.

This is why I can't get on Buzz because I really don't think this is his fault.

[GGGG]

Yes, I agree. But at the same time that PG and 2G are ones that people defend as well. I personally don't like them, but at the same time do see things that they add and have admitted at this point they are among our best possible 5 man lineup(jamil, davante and todd thrown in). It's some of Buzz randomly loyalty that is annoying though. His post game quote are like what? I mean he even said Davante played great today besides to late plays. But why did he sit for so long then? Sure Chris scored some...but Davante was scoring at will for 1.5 games vs them.

Either way, I don't care if you agree with me. It's a message board. We all got our opinions. It pisses me off when someone resorts to the "what team are you coaching" or "where are you playing argument". Seriously? If you can't see how asinine that is on a sports message board idk what to say.

You can disagree with me all you want just don't resort to that.

Look, I'm not a big fan of our guards either.  I just defend how and why they are being used.  I would love if Duane or Dawson could step up at PG next year. 

[bilsu]

This is well stated.  We have a bunch of players who have significant limitations.  MU was overrated in pre-season and because of that, they have under-performed.

This is why I can't get on Buzz because I really don't think this is his fault.

The makeup of the team is Buzz's fault and we can hold him accountable for that. I just think this might be his best coaching job, because third place is amazing with the limitations this team has.

[PGsHeroes32]

Look, I'm not a big fan of our guards either.  I just defend how and why they are being used.  I would love if Duane or Dawson could step up at PG next year. 

Yeah same here. And as I have said, its become clear that Derrick along with Jake need to play(we as I have also said really need the top 3 with them) but they make up our best lineup now.

But seriously, what is the point of a message board if "what team are you coaching" is the go to move? There is no room for discussion at all. I mean damn, it could be me against the board, but let's at least constructively talk some basketball. Maybe that's why I enjoy universal boards better? You get full basketball talk and no what are you doing talk.