Horrendously coached year...

[willie warrior]

So you come here to defend Buzz's every move without an original thought of your own?  Got it.

That is Sultan all day long, with his smug slurping. Wonder how much comment that will foster. They still haven't recovered from woody. Sultan has never seen the forest from the trees. The only thing he abides by is the gospel according to El Buzzo.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sigh....even after a win all of our players are going to transfer.

I posted this in another thread. No one disputed it. If you think it is wrong, I would welcome debate on why it is or isn't true.

Will the freshmen transfer because of playing time?
Let's think about this logically. If you accept the premise that the freshmen want more playing time right now, then why would they transfer? Next season at least one of them will HAVE to start (unless we have a really good freshmen) and if they aren't starting, they will be the first options off the bench. If they transfer, then they will get ZERO playing time next year as they will have to sit out. In two years, they will be the stars of this team as their will be only one Senior ahead of them. Meanwhile, if they transferred, they would be just getting to play now and would probably be getting the same if not less PT that they would have gotten for Marquette. The ONLY time transferring for PT makes sense is if you think that a player younger than you is going to be above you on the depth chart. That's why I hold that Dawson may transfer because Duane is now in a lower class than he is. I hope he doesn't, kid has talent. These players picked Marquette for more reasons than just PT. Trust those other reasons.

Also, these freshmen are in the top 7 in freshmen minutes during the Buzz era. Only Mayo, Vander, Gardner, and Maymon had more. If Buzz is half the man I think he is, I am sure he would have given these frosh heads up about what kind of PT they could expect.

Will frosh playing time this year negatively impact recruiting?
This is an argument I am more willing to accept. However, I think it is flawed. I truly believe that Buzz plays the players who give us the best chance of winning. If we accept this premise, then we must assume that the freshmen would be getting even less playing time at teams that are better than us. Buzz can counter any concerns a recruit has about PT but simply stating that the players who give us the best chance to win will play. Every HS student thinks that they will help a college team win. And if they don't think that they can help us win, then we probably don't want them.

So yes, I think an opposing coach could point to freshmen PT and try to sway recruits away from us. But the only teams that can do that are teams who are worse than us, so we have the upper hand on them in other ways. Our freshmen would not be starting at 95% of the teams that are better than us this year.

Recruits choose schools for more than immediate playing time.


Look, the future is bright. Most fans can't or refuse to see it because they don't like where they are now. But these doom and gloom predictions are baseless. They are just angry fans looking for a way to blow off steam. The freshmen love Marquette, they love Buzz, and they accept the playing time that they are given.

That being said, someone is going to transfer. The more and more I hear about Malek Harris, the more and more it sounds like he is coming to Marquette. That requires at least one player to go. The only three who I believe are threats to transfer are (in descending order of likelihood): John Dawson, Juan Anderson, and Jajuan Johnson. Taylor, Burton, and Duane aren't going anywhere.

Dawson may fear being behind Duane on the depth chart who is now a year younger. If that is the case, Dawson would never start and may be better served to play elsewhere. Anderson is already behind several younger players on the depth chart. Unless he discovers some untapped potential in the offseason, it may be best for him to Lockett-transfer somewhere else where he can be a star. Jajuan Johnson could fear that he will be behind both Mayo and Hill next season. If Hill surplants him, JJJ may end up a bench player for his whole career. If this is the case, he transferring may be the best option.

But, no matter which of the three transfer, they will end up at a lesser program than Marquette.  If a player needs to go down a competition level in order to be successful, do we really need them at Marquette? No. In addition, we will replace them with someone even better. This has happened every time someone has left a Buzz Williams team (except maybe in Maymon's case. Who did we replace him with?)

So, yes, a transfer will happen. It will not be because Buzz did not play them enough. It will be because Buzz gave them as much time as they deserved, and they simply weren't good enough to cut it as a Marquette Warrior.

Just throwing this out there again. I made a logical well thought out post about my thoughts about potential transfers. No responses. Just angry bickering back and forth. Anyone got a response?

[willie warrior]

I said "give benefit of the doubt to."  So when we are winning, I really don't see much need to question what he is doing.

Yessir--never question the front runner--said Bonnie to Clyde.

[NickelDimer]

No, I believe Buzz knows more about basketball than I do.  I also believe that he isn't above criticism and that he has made a lot of mistakes that are obvious to most people with some familiarity with basketball.  Do you get that or should I draw you a map?

Haha, thin skin.  Simmer down kitty

[BenCat12]

Haha, thin skin.  Simmer down kitty

Not at all, thought you might need pictures, not sure what your reading level is based on your posts.

[reinko]

Sheer, unmitigated stupidity.

Be careful,  apparently Nevada is some kind BFD.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Agree with this poster, that Buzz and his staff seem to have done an awful job coaching this year.  Many of the players seem to perform worse than the year before or in high school.  MU needs better coaching.  Buzz had appeared out of sorts in too many games.  Not sure why, but, Buzz has not looked good this year.  Maybe he needs better assistants.  Wish it weren't so, but, Buzz has not been a dominating coach this year.  Our defense stinks.

[bradley center bat]

News flash, the Big East isn't high school, kid!

[wadesworld]

He's saying OJ would pay for Todd to go to school. He would use his own NBA money. You really couldn't understand that?

Nope, I understood that.  OJ Mayo is not forking out $30,000 so that Buzz can get an extra scholarship player on his team, one who could potentially compete for minutes with his brother.  Doug McDermott is not paying a dime for his schooling.  He goes to school for free because his father is an employee of the university.  Todd's dad is not his coach, and Todd is not getting free tuition outside of a basketball scholarship.

[wadesworld]

Agreed. But getting yelled at and asked for your D1 coaching credentials because you call out a few foolish coaching decisions is the biggest problem of all.

There is no middle ground on this board.

It is one disappointing season, but it doesn't mean you can't point out flaws in that given season.

If someone came out and said "Buzz flat out sucks at coaching" then we got something to work with.

Yeah I think ultimately its Davante. He made the clutch free throws.


Buzz being the fool he is had him on the bench for most of the second half and he never got in rhythm.

You didn't "call out a few foolish coaching decisions."  You said, "Buzz being the fool that he is..."  You are saying Buzz is a fool.  Which is more or less saying, "Buzz flat out sucks at coaching."  It's right there for you to see.  "Buzz being the fool that he is" is much different than saying, "That was a foolish thing to have Davante on the bench for so long."

[Nevada233]

Sheer, unmitigated stupidity.

About as useful as anything you've said this year... Clown

[🏀]

It's threads like these that you might as well shut down this site.

Scoop is officially a cesspool, sorry moderators, but it's enough.

[Dreadman24]

We'll lose 2 of Duane Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Deonte Burton and Steve Taylor.

+1000

JJJ is a lock to leave. Wouldnt be suprised if Burton left either

[Nevada233]

+1000

JJJ is a lock to leave. Wouldnt be suprised if Burton left either

A lock... How so If he's already, catching splinters in his A$$ on the bench here why would he go sit out a year to maybe get playing time some where else in 2016....

[Texas Western]

Just throwing this out there again. I made a logical well thought out post about my thoughts about potential transfers. No responses. Just angry bickering back and forth. Anyone got a response?

I think this was well written.

I can give you my own perspective having a couple D 1 kids. I think the mistake Buzz is making is that there are plenty of opportunities , within his own historical coaching style, to keep everyone relatively happy and build team chemistry. Kids who come to a program like ours are all stars from wherever they came from and not used to being benched. The people around them tend to have unrealistic expectations. So when you sit these kids for games on end and the players they are sitting behind bad will is created and it is fed by family friends etc who don't have the full picture.  I can tell you from experience I have heard many parents who have a radically different view of their kids talent than what reality was and abett their kids in bad transfer  decisions. Logic would say that all the freshman have bright futures starting next year, but my experience says there are many illogical voices they listen to.

[MUFC9295]

It's threads like these that you might as well shut down this site.

Scoop is officially a cesspool, sorry moderators, but it's enough.

+1.  Jumping the shark.  Has to be said.  Looking for value in these threads but really have to skip over a lot to find anything informative.

[reinko]

It's threads like these that you might as well shut down this site.

Scoop is officially a cesspool, sorry moderators, but it's enough.

[Nevada233]

I think this was well written.

I can give you my own perspective having a couple D 1 kids. I think the mistake Buzz is making is that there are plenty of opportunities , within his own historical coaching style, to keep everyone relatively happy and build team chemistry. Kids who come to a program like ours are all stars from wherever they came from and not used to being benched. The people around them tend to have unrealistic expectations. So when you sit these kids for games on end and the players they are sitting behind bad will is created and it is fed by family friends etc who don't have the full picture.  I can tell you from experience I have heard many parents who have a radically different view of their kids talent than what reality was and abett their kids in bad transfer  decisions. Logic would say that all the freshman have bright futures starting next year, but my experience says there are many illogical voices they listen to.

Your right... I have D1 Family too and I know first hand the conversations that go on and people expecting to see you play.  Family and Friends traveling to games taking off work and you don't play makes them angry and they put those voices in your head that often make them transfer.  I'd tell all the Freshmen to stay at Marquette its better than leaving and sitting for a year somewhere else the guys playing 30+ Min a game had to start somewhere, their day is coming.  Stay patient

[The Lens]

I haven't read pages 2-6 of this but I have watched every MU game this year.  I'm glad the freshman aren't playing.  I have not seen anything out of JJJ that makes me all warm and fuzzy.

Of course I mostly watch the defensive end of the court.

[Tugg Speedman]

This is the worst thread in the history of scoop.  Simply appalling.

[GGGG]

I think this was well written.

I can give you my own perspective having a couple D 1 kids. I think the mistake Buzz is making is that there are plenty of opportunities , within his own historical coaching style, to keep everyone relatively happy and build team chemistry. Kids who come to a program like ours are all stars from wherever they came from and not used to being benched. The people around them tend to have unrealistic expectations. So when you sit these kids for games on end and the players they are sitting behind bad will is created and it is fed by family friends etc who don't have the full picture.  I can tell you from experience I have heard many parents who have a radically different view of their kids talent than what reality was and abett their kids in bad transfer  decisions. Logic would say that all the freshman have bright futures starting next year, but my experience says there are many illogical voices they listen to.

So Buzz should bow into the illogical voices and play their kids more???

[BenCat12]

I think you need to understand that Todd has been a challenge for Buzz since he has been here.  And frankly if it weren't for Buzz, Todd would not be at Marquette.

I understand Todd has been a challenge, but from all things I've read and heard they had no relationship through Todd's sophomore season.  It isn't just Todd either, a lot of guys on the team seem to have no idea what their role is....STjr and Juan come to mind.  It seems like there are games where some of these guys have no idea what their role will be.  One thing I do know from playing and coaching experience is players appreciate knowing their roles and what is expected from them on a daily basis.  It seems to me this has been an issue this year due to inconsistencies from players and coaches.  

[GGGG]

I understand Todd has been a challenge, but from all things I've read and heard they had no relationship through Todd's sophomore season.  It isn't just Todd either, a lot of guys on the team seem to have no idea what their role is....STjr and Juan come to mind.  It seems like there are games where some of these guys have no idea what their role will be.  One thing I do know from playing and coaching experience is players appreciate knowing their roles and what is expected from them on a daily basis.  It seems to me this has been an issue this year due to inconsistencies from players and coaches. 

What makes you believe that Juan and STJr don't know their roles?

[Texas Western]

So Buzz should bow into the illogical voices and play their kids more???

I am saying that there is room to be more economical in minutes distribution to achieve both short and long term objectives.  It is simply not worth losing your future to accommodate a mediocre present. Buzz is a street smart guy and understands these issues , I am just very surprised at how he has handled this.

[rocket surgeon]

i think "horrendous" is a pretty harsh word to describe anything this team has done this year.  some weaknesses, yes, but, come on man!!  horrendous would be like a surgeon removing the wrong-fill-in-the-blank body part or something