Northwestern should be Buzz's blueprint...

[NersEllenson]

Had dinner last night with a friend who's son plays on Northwestern - asked her what was behind Northwestern's turnaround...and she said they had a player (PG) get hurt against Michigan January 5, that Collins was starting, largely due to the kid being named a team captain and upperclassmen...since the kid has gone to the bench via injury, Northwestern has gone 5-2.  Meant more minutes for Tre Demps and JerShon Cobb.  Here's the injured kids stats - Dave Sobolewski

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/56226/dave-sobolewski

Looks like Sobolewski posted decent numbers too, at least I'd think we'd take those numbers at MU.  The good thing for Northwestern was Collins gave good chunks of minutes to the sophomore Tre Demps during the non conference portion of the schedule too, so he was more prepared for this bigger role...

Just found this interesting in that some are absolutely convinced that 1 player cannot make a huge difference on a basketball team - particularly when that player is a PG.

[MUBBau]

Here we go again

[wadesworld]

Had dinner last night with a friend who's son plays on Northwestern - asked her what was behind Northwestern's turnaround...and she said they had a player (PG) get hurt against Michigan January 5, that Collins was starting, largely due to the kid being named a team captain and upperclassmen...since the kid has gone to the bench via injury, Northwestern has gone 5-2.  Meant more minutes for Tre Demps and JerShon Cobb.  Here's the injured kids stats - Dave Sobolewski

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/56226/dave-sobolewski

Looks like Sobolewski posted decent numbers too, at least I'd think we'd take those numbers at MU.  The good thing for Northwestern was Collins gave good chunks of minutes to the sophomore Tre Demps during the non conference portion of the schedule too, so he was more prepared for this bigger role...

Just found this interesting in that some are absolutely convinced that 1 player cannot make a huge difference on a basketball team - particularly when that player is a PG.

Yeah, let's follow the blueprint of a program who has never, in the history of their program, made it to the NCAA Tournament!  Buzz should follow the lead of a 1st year coach because Buzz is having so much trouble getting into the NCAAs and winning there, while Northwestern is the definition of NCAA Tournament success!  That's the spirit!

[hairy worthen]

What happened to your Derrick moratorium?

[frozena pizza]

It's been a nice little run for Northwestern but they will never be a blueprint for Marquette.  Besides, what is the blueprint?  Injure Derrick Wilson?

[NersEllenson]

Yeah, let's follow the blueprint of a program who has never, in the history of their program, made it to the NCAA Tournament!  Buzz should follow the lead of a 1st year coach because Buzz is having so much trouble getting into the NCAAs and winning there, while Northwestern is the definition of NCAA Tournament success!  That's the spirit!

I understand you don't want to debate the fact presented and with good reason.  Yet, to your point, sadly, Northwestern has a better chance of making the NCAA this year than do we - and with a 1st year  coach too.  

[4everwarriors]

What'd ya have for dinner and did any sparks fly?

[NersEllenson]

What happened to your Derrick moratorium?

Just presenting a case study to the board for consideration...

It's been a nice little run for Northwestern but they will never be a blueprint for Marquette.  Besides, what is the blueprint?  Injure Derrick Wilson?

Of course the blueprint isn't to injure Derrick Wilson - but to rather highlight what can happen when a coach makes a switch to a different player - whether it be as a result of injury (Hello Tom Brady), goodbye Drew Bledsoe...or just as a result of wanting to make a change due to the existing player not getting results..

[MerrittsMustache]

Sobolewski and Cobb are juniors and Demps is a RS Soph (i.e. he's in his third year at NU).

Demps averaged 19 minutes a game last season, including over 23 minutes during B10 play, which is the same as the number of minutes he was playing prior to Sobolewski's injury this season.

Cobb averaged 24 min as a frosh and 20.4 min last season. He was averaging 31.4 min prior to Sobolewski's injury.

In other words, neither player was a freshman thrown into the mix for the sake of getting him minutes.

Also, NU is 5-3 since Sobolewski went down and had two 26-point losses.

Pretty weak effort, even for you, Ners.

[We R Final Four]

Ners-- did you happen to mention your concern for our starting PG sometime over the course of the dinner? Or did that never come up?

[NersEllenson]

What'd ya have for dinner and did any sparks fly?

Nice 4ever....sushi.....but no sparks....she's married to a friend of mine who couldn't attend.  

[esotericmindguy]

Problem is, John Dawson isn't very good!! When Duane comes back next year he probably won't even see the floor, and you think he's the answer? Good Grief.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

The idea of you and this cougar (?) talking NCAA "blueprints" and strategy and injuries to college kids and how it benefits the pleasure you take from watching kids play GAMES is not only laughable, it's disturbing. What an odd guy you are.

[chapman]

t's gotten old...for everyone....me included...the constant back/forth, and pros/cons of Derrick/Dawson.  So, I'll promise to the Scoop community to not comment on Derrick from here on out till the season is over.

So this is your way of saying the season is over?  

[GGGG]

This is an absolutely ridiculous comparison...

Tre Demps is a sophomore who was already getting 20+ minutes per game prior to the Michigan game.  He averaged 18+ minutes and 7+ ppg last year.

Jershown Cobb is a redshirt junior who was getting almost 30 mpg prior to the Michigan game.  

This isn't a "blueprint for Buzz to follow."  John Dawson is a freshman.  And not only that, but Derrick Wilson is playing *better* than Dawson is.

And why don't you just admit that you don't have the will power for this whole moratorium thing and drop the facade.  

[NersEllenson]

Sobolewski and Cobb are juniors and Demps is a RS Soph (i.e. he's in his third year at NU).

Demps averaged 19 minutes a game last season, including over 23 minutes during B10 play, which is the same as the number of minutes he was playing prior to Sobolewski's injury this season.

Cobb averaged 24 min as a frosh and 20.4 min last season. He was averaging 31.4 min prior to Sobolewski's injury.

In other words, neither player was a freshman thrown into the mix for the sake of getting him minutes.

Also, NU is 5-3 since Sobolewski went down and had two 26-point losses.

Pretty weak effort, even for you, Ners.

My bad...she said he got hurt in Michigan game, yet they played him next game 14 minutes against Iowa...which is one of the 26 point losses you reference...but...those were her words when asked what was behind the turnaround - and she's no basketball idiot - husband was an NBA pro....who coaches in WNBA and does color commentary for Timberwolves...

Also, throwing Dawson into the game shouldn't be for the "sake of getting him minutes."  It should be for the obvious freaking reason - every other lineup tweak, change, modification has been made - and none of them work...other than of course against Georgetown.  Hmm.  Rocket science.

[GGGG]

Also, throwing Dawson into the game shouldn't be for the "sake of getting him minutes."  It should be for the obvious freaking reason - every other lineup tweak, change, modification has been made - and none of them work...other than of course against Georgetown.  Hmm.  Rocket science.

Email Buzz!!!  Tell him that since his has changed everything but the starting point guard, that "rocket science" dictates that this change should be made.  That he should follow Northwestern's lead on how to develop a successful basketball program.  I'm sure that will go over well.

Your arguments get more strange by the week.

Seriously...Northwestern???

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So this is your way of saying the season is over?  

Well played Chapman

[NersEllenson]

This is an absolutely ridiculous comparison...

Tre Demps is a sophomore who was already getting 20+ minutes per game prior to the Michigan game.  He averaged 18+ minutes and 7+ ppg last year.

Jershown Cobb is a redshirt junior who was getting almost 30 mpg prior to the Michigan game.  

This isn't a "blueprint for Buzz to follow."  John Dawson is a freshman.  And not only that, but Derrick Wilson is playing *better* than Dawson is.

And why don't you just admit that you don't have the will power for this whole moratorium thing and drop the facade.  

Guess the moratorium is challenging for me, yes, especially after the comments made at dinner.

Who cares if John Dawson is a freshman??  He's 3 times better at making 3 point shots in his career than Derrick.  He's 40% better at making free throws.  I'd freaking love it if Derrick Wilson could average 7ppg as a JUNIOR in 18 minutes of play, like Demps got.  Hell, I'd gladly take 7ppg in 30 minutes a game this year from Derrick.

Would love it if Dawson was given 18 minutes per game this year...think he's gotten more 18 minutes exactly twice in his MU career - Xavier and Georgetown - yet all you experts are prepared to say Derrick Wilson is better???  Cause Dawson can't show a lot in his typical 8-11 minutes of action most games?  Yet, you have a guy getting 30+ over and over and over...and still has made 1 3 point shot for the year, and shoots 46% from the FT line??  Please.

[copious1218]

Congratulations on the four day moratorium!  That must have been difficult.

[MerrittsMustache]

My bad...she said he got hurt in Michigan game, yet they played him next game 14 minutes against Iowa...which is one of the 26 point losses you reference...but...those were her words when asked what was behind the turnaround - and she's no basketball idiot - husband was an NBA pro....who coaches in WNBA and does color commentary for Timberwolves...

None of that changes the fact that Demps and Cobb (who is actually in his fourth year at NU) were already playing significant minutes this season and had played significant minutes in the past as well.

[NavinRJohnson]

Sobolewski and Cobb are juniors and Demps is a RS Soph (i.e. he's in his third year at NU).

Demps averaged 19 minutes a game last season, including over 23 minutes during B10 play, which is the same as the number of minutes he was playing prior to Sobolewski's injury this season.

Cobb averaged 24 min as a frosh and 20.4 min last season. He was averaging 31.4 min prior to Sobolewski's injury.

In other words, neither player was a freshman thrown into the mix for the sake of getting him minutes.

Also, NU is 5-3 since Sobolewski went down and had two 26-point losses.

Pretty weak effort, even for you, Ners.

[MerrittsMustache]

Guess the moratorium is challenging for me, yes, especially after the comments made at dinner.

Who cares if John Dawson is a freshman??  He's 3 times better at making 3 point shots in his career than Derrick.  He's 40% better at making free throws.  I'd freaking love it if Derrick Wilson could average 7ppg as a JUNIOR in 18 minutes of play, like Demps got.  Hell, I'd gladly take 7ppg in 30 minutes a game this year from Derrick.

Would love it if Dawson was given 18 minutes per game this year...think he's gotten more 18 minutes exactly twice in his MU career - Xavier and Georgetown - yet all you experts are prepared to say Derrick Wilson is better???  Cause Dawson can't show a lot in his typical 8-11 minutes of action most games?  Yet, you have a guy getting 30+ over and over and over...and still has made 1 3 point shot for the year, and shoots 46% from the FT line??  Please.

What are you even talking about?

Derrick is shooting 10% higher from the floor. Does that not count because of Dawson's small sample size?

[Lennys Tap]

What happened to your Derrick moratorium?

That's twice he checked himself into rehab only to break out within days. Is there a doctor in the house?

[GGGG]

Guess the moratorium is challenging for me, yes, especially after the comments made at dinner.

Who cares if John Dawson is a freshman??  He's 3 times better at making 3 point shots in his career than Derrick.  He's 40% better at making free throws.  I'd freaking love it if Derrick Wilson could average 7ppg as a JUNIOR in 18 minutes of play, like Demps got.  Hell, I'd gladly take 7ppg in 30 minutes a game this year from Derrick.

Would love it if Dawson was given 18 minutes per game this year...think he's gotten more 18 minutes exactly twice in his MU career - Xavier and Georgetown - yet all you experts are prepared to say Derrick Wilson is better???  Cause Dawson can't show a lot in his typical 8-11 minutes of action most games?  Yet, you have a guy getting 30+ over and over and over...and still has made 1 3 point shot for the year, and shoots 46% from the FT line??  Please.

Keep cherry picking stats.  It's awesome!!

Again...tell Buzz!!  Obviously you know the keys to the season by sitting on your couch and watching a couple games a week.  I mean, he works with these guys hours a day, seven days a week.  

He's not stubborn.  He's made changes over the past couple of games.  Including one where Derrick was named SOTG (which you agreed with BTW), yet less than a week later you're not only beating the "Dawson should get 30+" horse to death, but you are running it over with a truck, burying it, digging it up again, shooting it a few times, and then flogging it a bit more.

Buzz is going to go with whomever has the hot hand in each game.    It's very obvious that he is more than willing to ride Dawson if he's that guy.  But of course when he doesn't, out comes the "Magic Dawson Excuse Machine."  Not enough run...played with nine guys in three minutes...Buzz is f*cking with his mind...

Unbelievable.