Gardner could not guard a waste basket!

[Wojo'sMojo]

The young guys don't play because they aren't yet consistently doing what Buzz wants them to do.  Sometimes it's defense.  Sometimes it's jacking up bad shots. 

I wonder if Buzz wants our offensively challenged pg to try and throw down an alleyoop dunk smh...the upperclassmen get a pass when they make mistakes, but when a freshman do they get a quick hook. Everyone on the team should be held to the same standards and I don't see it. Maybe JJJ should just not shoot like Jake yesterday and that's when he can expect 30 min a game 

[77ncaachamps]

I wonder if Buzz wants our offensively challenged pg to try and throw down an alleyoop dunk smh...the upperclassmen get a pass when they make mistakes, but when a freshman do they get a quick hook. Everyone on the team should be held to the same standards and I don't see it. Maybe JJJ should just not shoot like Jake yesterday and that's when he can expect 30 min a game 

Reminds me...

People complain about not running plays for Jake but we run one for Derrick...and it's an alley-oop! lol

[forgetful]

Agreed....

Dawson comes down hits a 3 from the parking lot......

The announcer says we are watchin this kid devlop in front of our eyes...

The crowd goes wild.... 2 minutes later hes on the bench for literally the rest of the game....

While archiediacono runs around the starter like pistol pete...

He was 1-4, with 0 assists and 0 rebounds.

The team as a whole was -7 with him in for those 8 minutes.  You act as if him coming in completely changed the game, but Buzz sat him anyway.  We were worse with Dawson, than without him.

And I like Dawson, its just he is a Freshman and at this point lacks consistency.

[Wojo'sMojo]

He was 1-4, with 0 assists and 0 rebounds.

The team as a whole was -7 with him in for those 8 minutes.  You act as if him coming in completely changed the game, but Buzz sat him anyway.  We were worse with Dawson, than without him.

And I like Dawson, its just he is a Freshman and at this point lacks consistency.

He can't be consistent when he gets inconsistent minutes. 30 second intervals don't do it.

[BallBoy]

Yes you guys are on to something there. It also makes sense that some of Gardner's "Defensive lapses", are caused by him getting gassed also, carrying around 280 pounds for 35 plus minutes per game, helping out when guards are getting beat to the basket, and chasing on the perimeter on switches--which is stupid. I know, every other team does it so we should. So if we want to make excuses for Derrick, then those excuses should be more applicable for Ox, who is the heaviest guy on the team.

It is tiring that some people blame Ox as a poor defender, but praise Derrick as a "lock down" defender, or say nothing about Ja. Wilson's ole defense. Ox is average as a defender, but has shown more improvement in his game on both ends of the court than Otule has in 6 years, or Ja. Wilson in 5 years. And what is funny, I have never heard Buzz claim that Ox is a "game changer" or the best defender he has ever coached, which he has said about De. Wilson, and then we see what he is doing in games.

In two paragraphs you have called out two things I have been saying. First, until some else steps up you have to live with Gardner's offense at the risk to his defense. Defense is half of the game. If Gardner's defense is suffering because of his stamina then we have to live with that if we want his offense then we have risk that outcome. I believe the emergence of Steve Taylor will only help that situation as now OTule can focus on spelling Gardner. However, during that time we need to counter at the lose of Gardner's offense. I don't know where that will come from with OTule in.

Second, every player is flawed yet the person who gets the most animosity is Derrick. Now, I agree that Wilson is not everything I want nor is he close to perfect but to lay our season at his feet is ridiculous.

[BallBoy]

Wilson was moved off the kid because he could not handle him. And guess what--the guy he was guarding beat his ass down the floor to hit what could have been the game winner. I am calling out the right guy, sunshine.

He is not a lock down defender, he is not a game changer--he is a competent back up PG.

So we moved Mayo onto him and he couldn't stop him either. Maybe there is a reason Nova is top 10 and we aren't ranked.

[PGsHeroes32]

So we moved Mayo onto him and he couldn't stop him either. Maybe there is a reason Nova is top 10 and we aren't ranked.

We aren't ranked because we start 3 players who wouldn't start on the average D2 basketball team

[Nevada233]

He was 1-4, with 0 assists and 0 rebounds.

The team as a whole was -7 with him in for those 8 minutes.  You act as if him coming in completely changed the game, but Buzz sat him anyway.  We were worse with Dawson, than without him.

And I like Dawson, its just he is a Freshman and at this point lacks consistency.

The consistency that Derrick Wilson brings....... Consistent losing. I get it.

[jesmu84]

Ok then what the hell is wrong with buzz?

Derrick, Jake and Chris are doing what buzz wants? THIS is what he wants?

Yes. Yesterday Buzz wanted the ball going inside. Derrick and Jake did that consistently yesterday. It's why Jake didn't even attempt a shot until the last 2 minutes. If you don't play the way Buzz wants you get pulled (see Dawson vs. Nova)

[PGsHeroes32]

Yes. Yesterday Buzz wanted the ball going inside. Derrick and Jake did that consistently yesterday. It's why Jake didn't even attempt a shot until the last 2 minutes. If you don't play the way Buzz wants you get pulled (see Dawson vs. Nova)

Derrick missed Davante and Jamil about 10 times each yesterday.

If you want passing the ball around the 3 point arc, then Derrick is your guy.

[Nukem2]

Yes. Yesterday Buzz wanted the ball going inside. Derrick and Jake did that consistently yesterday. It's why Jake didn't even attempt a shot until the last 2 minutes. If you don't play the way Buzz wants you get pulled (see Dawson vs. Nova)

Actually, Davante was lining up up rather high and wide to get passes and then would back his defender down to the hoop.  I suspect the scorer was very kind to Derrick on some of his assists.

[willie warrior]

So we moved Mayo onto him and he couldn't stop him either. Maybe there is a reason Nova is top 10 and we aren't ranked.

There are several: Their guards are way better than ours, and their PG is way better than ours. Guess that should settle it.

[willie warrior]

In two paragraphs you have called out two things I have been saying. First, until some else steps up you have to live with Gardner's offense at the risk to his defense. Defense is half of the game. If Gardner's defense is suffering because of his stamina then we have to live with that if we want his offense then we have risk that outcome. I believe the emergence of Steve Taylor will only help that situation as now OTule can focus on spelling Gardner. However, during that time we need to counter at the lose of Gardner's offense. I don't know where that will come from with OTule in.

Second, every player is flawed yet the person who gets the most animosity is Derrick. Now, I agree that Wilson is not everything I want nor is he close to perfect but to lay our season at his feet is ridiculous.

I did not lay the season on Derrick although he is a big part of it. I lay it squarely where it belongs--on Buzzo. His players, his strategy, his rotations, his decsions, his big salary, his big budget. That is where the season lies and why he gets the huge cash.

[willie warrior]

Reminds me...

People complain about not running plays for Jake but we run one for Derrick...and it's an alley-oop! lol

...which he missed.

[BallBoy]

I did not lay the season on Derrick although he is a big part of it. I lay it squarely where it belongs--on Buzzo. His players, his strategy, his rotations, his decsions, his big salary, his big budget. That is where the season lies and why he gets the huge cash.

So under Buzz, we have had 6 great season and one mediocre season.  Does that one season mean we should stop showing him respect?  Everyone knew going into this season that we had a lot of holes.  Everyone choose MU for the Big East based on the Elite 8 finish not on what was coming in. 

I went back to a few of the preseason magazines.  Everyone of them called out that Duane Wilson needed to step in as the lead dog for MU to hold the top spot.  They also mentioned Mayo, Davante, and Jamil needing to step up.   

You may not agree with Buzz but at least be respectful. 

[forgetful]

The consistency that Derrick Wilson brings....... Consistent losing. I get it.

With a -7, Dawson brought consistent losing yesterday too.  With the exception of the Georgetown game he has not been stellar.  Phenomenal potential and I would like to see him getting 15 minutes, but you have to be smart with his time.

[Nevada233]

With a -7, Dawson brought consistent losing yesterday too.  With the exception of the Georgetown game he has not been stellar.  Phenomenal potential and I would like to see him getting 15 minutes, but you have to be smart with his time.

u put -7 on him and he played 8 minutes in 30 second increments in comparison with someone who plays +30 a night... I love your logic..

[77ncaachamps]

u put -7 on him and he played 8 minutes in 30 second increments in comparison with someone who plays +30 a night... I love your logic..

Exactly.

Give Dawson Jake's minutes and see what could have been.

Yes, I think he would have been toasted, but he'd do more than just hoist up his first shot with 2 minutes remaining in the game.

[BallBoy]

u put -7 on him and he played 8 minutes in 30 second increments in comparison with someone who plays +30 a night... I love your logic..

Not in the Nova game.  He had a good run and played nearly half of the first half.  I do not believe Dawson played in the second half and still put up 8 minutes which ESPN play-by-play supports.  You may be able to use this messaging in other games but not Nova.  

Previous games where he had less then 10 minutes, this is a true debate.  

[jesmu84]

Exactly.

Give Dawson Jake's minutes and see what could have been.

Yes, I think he would have been toasted, but he'd do more than just hoist up his first shot with 2 minutes remaining in the game.

seriously? why is that a problem? they were going inside to davante and he was killing it. davante 1v1 with nova's frountcourt is going to be marquette's advantage. why have jake shooting during the game? MU didn't NEED jake to shoot, so why would he? Makes absolutely no sense.

[forgetful]

u put -7 on him and he played 8 minutes in 30 second increments in comparison with someone who plays +30 a night... I love your logic..

You clearly didn't watch the game.  He played over about 6 minutes in the first half in over 3 minute stretches each time.  He was -3 in that first half.  In the 2nd half he was in for a bit over a minute stretch and was -4.

In the first stretch in the first half he came in and on the first three possessions was beat badly by the man he was guarding.  I believe 7 of the 9 points Nova scored in that stretch were scored by the guy Dawson was guarding.  I remember thinking after the first possession that Buzz was going to yank him for the horrible defense, but he didn't he let him work through it till the next media timeout.  I was happy with that.

Got more run later in the first half and again struggled a lot on D.  Buzz gave him a lot of rope and was patient with him.  

[BallBoy]

seriously? why is that a problem? they were going inside to davante and he was killing it. davante 1v1 with nova's frountcourt is going to be marquette's advantage. why have jake shooting during the game? MU didn't NEED jake to shoot, so why would he? Makes absolutely no sense.

100% agree.  The game plan was to feed Davante and the game plan worked.  It was not have Jake shoot.  

[Wojo'sMojo]

You clearly didn't watch the game.  He played over about 6 minutes in the first half in over 3 minute stretches each time.  He was -3 in that first half.  In the 2nd half he was in for a bit over a minute stretch and was -4.

In the first stretch in the first half he came in and on the first three possessions was beat badly by the man he was guarding.  I believe 7 of the 9 points Nova scored in that stretch were scored by the guy Dawson was guarding.  I remember thinking after the first possession that Buzz was going to yank him for the horrible defense, but he didn't he let him work through it till the next media timeout.  I was happy with that.

Got more run later in the first half and again struggled a lot on D.  Buzz gave him a lot of rope and was patient with him.  

You have so many false claims in this post it's ridiculous. 7 of the 9 points scored were on the man Dawson was covering?? He didn't struggle any more than our all world starting pg lol.

[forgetful]

You have so many false claims in this post it's ridiculous. 7 of the 9 points scored were on the man Dawson was covering?? He didn't struggle any more than our all world starting pg lol.

Please identify the false claims.  All are based on the actual game footage and play-by-play on statsheet.com.  Your assertions are based on blind bias and "feel" for what happened.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Please identify the false claims.  All are based on the actual game footage and play-by-play on statsheet.com.  Your assertions are based on blind bias and "feel" for what happened.

He can't because you are correct.  It doesn't fit the "Derrick Sucks" narrative so what else can the guy say?