New Lineup Moving Forward

[BallBoy]

Where do I get this stuff? It was on this board last year. Juan was going to transfer, Buzz talked him out of it. Thomas was going to leave, Buzz talked him out of it, or miraculously came up with a schollie. Neither deserve the time they have gotten this year. Nothing against those kids, just their talent level. Do they hustle-yeah. Point is, this certainly suggests that possibly Buzz play kids to stop from transferring--although as I said, we will never know for sure. In Buzz we slurp...er...trust.

That is a far cry from begging someone.  It is also documented on this board and in the news reels that Juan didn't get the level of interest that he hoped he would and asked if he could stay with the team.  I think Buzz asked Vander to stay but that was in both parties interests.  I don't think he begged Maymon, Smith, Williams, et al to stay so why as two guys who "aren't our best players" to stay.

[GGGG]

Where do I get this stuff? It was on this board last year. Juan was going to transfer, Buzz talked him out of it. Thomas was going to leave, Buzz talked him out of it, or miraculously came up with a schollie.

Miraculously came up with a scholie?  Are you for real?

April 4:  Jake Thomas announces he will transfer.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/thomas-transferring-from-marquette-ie9e69l-201545241.html

April 16:  Vander Blue announces he will enter the draft
http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/203192841.html

April 18: Jake Thomas announces he will stay
http://marquettewire.org/2013/04/18/tribune/tribune-sports/jake-thomas-to-stay-at-marquette-for-senior-year/

Yeah...it's a miracle that he came up with that scholarship.  Man, the magic that guy works.

[GGGG]

The only thing inconsistent about Dawson is the playing time Buzz gives him.

Only those who look at the world to confirm their own bias believe that.

[NersEllenson]

Only those who look at the world to confirm their own bias believe that.

So here are Dawson's minutes by game: 6, 20, DNP, 8, DNP, 13, 4, DNP, 2, 13, 12, DNP, 5, DNP, DNP, 17, 4, 5, 31, 8.

Hardly consistent...yet you mock my contention that the only thing consistent about Dawson has been Buzz's inconsistent usage?  And please for just once answer the question - how can you defend and suggest Derrick is a better option when you have 17 games of Derrick getting 30+ minutes per game...and putting up the individual and team numbers he's generated?

You really expect a guy to come in a game and be on fire from moment one, and show all kinds of great production when they only get 5, 4, 5, 8 minutes in 4 of the last 6 games..yet in the 2 games where he got 17 and 31 - Dawson showed well?

I have no bias - I simply have had 18 games to confirm with my eyes that Derrick isn't getting it done at PG, our record shows as much - and we need to see more extended run 25+ minute games from Dawson to get a true read on his potential and how the team performs with him...

[GGGG]

So here are Dawson's minutes by game: 6, 20, DNP, 8, DNP, 13, 4, DNP, 2, 13, 12, DNP, 5, DNP, DNP, 17, 4, 5, 31, 8.

Hardly consistent...yet you mock my contention that the only thing consistent about Dawson has been Buzz's inconsistent usage? 

I didn't say that his usage isn't inconsistent.  I said that it is false that the "only thing" inconsistent about Dawson was his usage.

Dawson was bad against Butler.  He was good against Georgetown.  He was good and bad yesterday.  Hence inconsistent.

[PGsHeroes32]

I didn't say that his usage isn't inconsistent.  I said that it is false that the "only thing" inconsistent about Dawson was his usage.

Dawson was bad against Butler.  He was good against Georgetown.  He was good and bad yesterday.  Hence inconsistent.

I think that's is fair statement.

But here's the problem

Derrick, Jake, Chris are far more inconsistent or just overall worse. Why are they starters and more importantly why are two of them play 30 minutes a game?

[Nevada233]

Funny how you parsed everything else in my original post about the reasons for playing Deonte and Steve more - that they might give up 40, but they'll get you 40 - and in the process be getting them valuable game experience.  They are the future, along with Dawson.  Not Derrick.  Not Jake.  Not Otule.  Those three aforementioned guys have us 11-9 with no wins over Top 50 teams.  

Go back and look at my original post and lineup suggestion.  Just because you are a staunch Derrick backer, and have continued to defend him at every turn, when all evidence suggests he's crippling this team mightly - doesn't mean you can't change your point of view.

And if I'm John Dawson - I'm seriously thinking about transferring.  Sitting behind a guy who has been SO incredibly ineffective, and only getting 8 minutes after you lead the team to its best victory of the year (yes at Georgetown is better than a neutral court win over George Washington), and play a solid floor game, solid defense, and score 7 in overtime - and you come out and get 8 minutes the next game?  Yea...totally annoying.  Don't think for a minute schools aren't reaching out to Dawson to try to get him to transfer.  College hoops is a dirty, dirty business.

Right!

[Texas Western]

If we are going to make any kind of run from here on out, the lineup/rotation needs to be as follows:

PG - Dawson, 30 minutes.  Derrick 10
2G - Mayo, 30 minutes.  Jake 10
3   - Steve Taylor 27 minutes.  Burton 13
4 - Jamil Wilson  32 minutes.  Burton 8
5 - Gardner 33 minutes.  Otule 7

End of story.  No messing around with offense/defense substitutions.  Get synergy and efficiency through guys playing long runs of games together.

This lineup will be very successful. Buzz has to make winning his priority and check his overinflated sense I self importance at the door. These kids can figure it out on the floor.

[Nevada233]

This lineup will be very successful. Buzz has to make winning his priority and check his overinflated sense I self importance at the door. These kids can figure it out on the floor.

That line up would be more than 11-9

If Derrick and Jake play +70 Minutes we will lose to Providence thursday no questions asked.

[jesmu84]

The only thing inconsistent about Dawson is the playing time Buzz gives him. The only thing consistent with Derrick is high minutes and limited production. I just don't understand how some of you are so quick to judge Dawson in 5 and 8 minutes of action and determine he's inconsistent or was worse than Derrick getting 36 minutes. We have just 2 games of Dawson getting good, extended run at PG - Xavier and GTown - and he played pretty well.  I would bet my left nut that if Dawson were given 30 minutes from here on out his stats and the teams record would be better than what we've gotten out of Derrick's direction.

Dawson played very well against GT. I think the zone vs. man of Nova had something to do with that. But, more importantly, against Nova the gameplan was to go inside. And Nova wasn't doubling the post, so it was working well and consistently getting results. I'm betting if Dawson had played to the gameplan rather than shooting when he didn't need to, he would have played more. It's why Derrick and Jake played so much yesterday - they played to the gameplan that Buzz wanted.  Personally, even if Dawson wasn't playing to what Buzz wanted, I wish he would have gotten more minutes just so Derrick wouldn't have been exhausted come end of regulation/OT.

[chapman]

That line up would be more than 11-9

If Derrick and Jake play +70 Minutes we will lose to Providence thursday no questions asked.

They likely will.  You think Buzz gives Dawson any significant time with Cotton on the floor?  He'll probably go for 28 and we'll hear about Derrick's tremendous defense on him, and Dawson's production in sporadic two minute stretches will be evidence that he doesn't warrant more time.

[willie warrior]

That is a far cry from begging someone.  It is also documented on this board and in the news reels that Juan didn't get the level of interest that he hoped he would and asked if he could stay with the team.  I think Buzz asked Vander to stay but that was in both parties interests.  I don't think he begged Maymon, Smith, Williams, et al to stay so why as two guys who "aren't our best players" to stay.

What news reels? So there we have it. Juan: I'm moving on where I can play more, thanks Buzz. Ooops, nobody wants me, can I stay Buzz? Buzz: Yes you can, and I will eve start you next year. Just like reality TV. Point is: the guy should not have been getting the minutes he was. It took Buzz over 2.5 years to figure it out.

[willie warrior]

Illogical.

1. There is no proof that he started them so they wouldn't transfer.  Buzz started Reggie for a handful of games his freshman year...Buzz started EWill because he stated he wanted to keep Jae out of foul trouble.  I mean, do you really think that Buzz started EWill in a S16 game so he wouldn't transfer?

2. Both players did transfer, so even if you buy into your screwball theory that that's the reason why they started, it didn't work.  So why should he do it now?

3.  You probably picked the two most useless players that transferred from MU during the Buzz era.  Reggie transferred again to Eastern Illinois.  EWill is completely out of college basketball.


Buzz did not beg Juan to stay.  Juan was going to transfer closer to home for a reason related to his family.  His family told him to stay.  Jake was going to transfer because he was going off scholarship, but when Vander left, Buzz gave Jake his scholarship.

He didn't promise starting minutes to either one of them.  Juan is barely playing.

And you have no proof that he doesn't. Reading is elementary. I said we will never know, but look at the pattern. And by the way, it only took Buzz over 2.5 years to figure out about Juan. But he will likely start him next year, or give him significant minutes. Juan did start several games this year, and saw significant minutes until the last few games.
And guess what? I know it didn't work--that is why I said Boom. Blew up in Buzz's face.
So keep defending and slurping Buzz and give him passes all day on his player rotations, etc. He starts players that do not deserve to start, plays players that are hurting the team and has recruited more than his fair share of guys that did not work out. No--I did not say fire him, but he does not deserve all the excuses and Hosannas people make for him---especially with his salary and budget. By the way how has you analysis on Otule worked out?

[NersEllenson]

Dawson played very well against GT. I think the zone vs. man of Nova had something to do with that. But, more importantly, against Nova the gameplan was to go inside. And Nova wasn't doubling the post, so it was working well and consistently getting results. I'm betting if Dawson had played to the gameplan rather than shooting when he didn't need to, he would have played more. It's why Derrick and Jake played so much yesterday - they played to the gameplan that Buzz wanted.  Personally, even if Dawson wasn't playing to what Buzz wanted, I wish he would have gotten more minutes just so Derrick wouldn't have been exhausted come end of regulation/OT.

I think your take could have some merit...Buzz may have been a little disenchanted with Dawson being as aggressive offensively as he was...yet that aggressiveness does help open up the court for his teammates as it forces Nova to guard Dawson seriously.  Unfortunately John got 2 good looks on penetration to the basket, and both were on target, but he missed them - he makes them - he likely gets more run.

The frustrating part for me is that Buzz has to have a longer leash with Dawson - because his alternative, Derrick - really isn't going to give you a whole lot.  He's given Derrick every chance in the world to be more productive, for the team to win games - but we haven't.  Haven't beaten a Top 50 team this year.  The results haven't been good.  So, please, Buzz - let's see more of Dawson getting 30 minutes like he got against Georgetown - and just SEE what happens.  Perhaps we turn it around immediately - but if not immediate - then perhaps by Big East tourney Dawson will have racked up enough PT to be better and perhaps this team somehow winning Big East tourney..

[jesmu84]

I think your take could have some merit...Buzz may have been a little disenchanted with Dawson being as aggressive offensively as he was...yet that aggressiveness does help open up the court for his teammates as it forces Nova to guard Dawson seriously.  Unfortunately John got 2 good looks on penetration to the basket, and both were on target, but he missed them - he makes them - he likely gets more run.

The frustrating part for me is that Buzz has to have a longer leash with Dawson - because his alternative, Derrick - really isn't going to give you a whole lot.  He's given Derrick every chance in the world to be more productive, for the team to win games - but we haven't.  Haven't beaten a Top 50 team this year.  The results haven't been good.  So, please, Buzz - let's see more of Dawson getting 30 minutes like he got against Georgetown - and just SEE what happens.  Perhaps we turn it around immediately - but if not immediate - then perhaps by Big East tourney Dawson will have racked up enough PT to be better and perhaps this team somehow winning Big East tourney..

I've got no issues with that. I'd like to see 20/20 for Derrick/Dawson depending on the opponent, strategy, etc. At most though, 25/15 for either guy. If we're playing a close game, we don't want our PG gassed at the end after playing 35 minutes regardless of which guy it is.

[Nevada233]

They likely will.  You think Buzz gives Dawson any significant time with Cotton on the floor?  He'll probably go for 28 and we'll hear about Derrick's tremendous defense on him, and Dawson's production in sporadic two minute stretches will be evidence that he doesn't warrant more time.

WHO HAS DERRICK WILSON SHUT DOWN THIS YEAR.......... WITH HIS DEFENSE????? I'll Wait.............

[GGGG]

By the way how has you analysis on Otule worked out?

It was spot on, 100% true when I made my statements....three years ago.