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Author Topic: Net neutrality war begins...  (Read 20018 times)

brandx

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Re: Net neutrality war begins...
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2014, 05:12:39 PM »
Remember the good ole days when we used to be good at war? ;D

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Re: Net neutrality war begins...
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2014, 07:36:49 PM »
AT & T to halt investment in broadband for now.  Makes sense, why invest or innovate and take those risks based on last fees days.  They will not be the last.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/11/12/att-ceo-comment-after-obama-statement/18915917/

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/11/fcc-calls-atts-fiber-bluff-demands-detailed-construction-plans/

So, ATT basically went with the "we're going to play by my rules or I'm taking my ball and going home" strategy?

Again, if there is a market and profit to be made, someone will do it. Why not allow local governments to build out their own networks? My local utilities work just fine.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2014, 07:39:41 PM by jesmu84 »

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Re: Net neutrality war begins...
« Reply #102 on: November 14, 2014, 11:17:08 PM »
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/11/fcc-calls-atts-fiber-bluff-demands-detailed-construction-plans/

So, ATT basically went with the "we're going to play by my rules or I'm taking my ball and going home" strategy?

Again, if there is a market and profit to be made, someone will do it. Why not allow local governments to build out their own networks? My local utilities work just fine.

Some of those local utilities might be a private company blessed with a government sanctioned monopoly. Works fine but not exactly run by your local village common council.

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Re: Net neutrality war begins...
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2014, 08:48:42 PM »

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Re: Net neutrality war begins...
« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2014, 09:17:26 PM »
In reference to my question about other countries .. this was an interesting read ..

http://venturebeat.com/2014/11/12/what-france-has-taught-me-americans-are-suckers-who-have-themselves-to-blame-for-crappy-broadband/

"Government has played a strong role in ensuring competition, and that has increased choice and driven down prices for consumers.

Go ahead, America. Read that last sentence a few times. I know it probably makes your head hurt.

The problem is that in current U.S. economic policy, politics, and culture, Americans have been told that they have a choice. Either you believe in government regulation, or you believe in free markets. Government intervention is the enemy of innovation and competition.

It’s a choice that is as simple as it is false. Unfortunately, a gullible American public has swallowed it whole.

...

Of course, it would seem impossible that someone will stand up in the near future and demand that the U.S. government play a stronger role. Politicians and regulators would be cowered by an army of telecom lobbyists and pundits who would chew their heads off.

But the real problem is that the average American has bought into this false choice: government vs. competition. And so, they are not going to insist on the new regulations and stronger enforcement that might a lead to more competition."

Brutal honesty. We've been duped several times in this country. I think I've posted this one before:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html

Not my statement, but one I agree with:

"If you look at the history of telecommunications in the US in great detail with regards to the cable and telephone companies, you will see they do this over and over again.

Whenever they need a government concession or tax break, they claim if they don't get it they will not provide universal service. When they want to keep their monopolies and destroy competitors, they claim that competition would weaken them and make universal service impossible. When they Argue against laws enabling technologies that threaten their revenue stream, they actually state that anything that reduces the amount of money they take in hurts their company, making it impossible for them to deliver universal service.

Telecom companies in the US are pretty much a case study in corporations corrupting the government, lying to the public, and getting away with it."

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Re: Net neutrality war begins...
« Reply #105 on: November 17, 2014, 10:57:06 AM »
"Government has played a strong role in ensuring competition, and that has increased choice and driven down prices for consumers.

Go ahead, America. Read that last sentence a few times. I know it probably makes your head hurt.

The problem is that in current U.S. economic policy, politics, and culture, Americans have been told that they have a choice. Either you believe in government regulation, or you believe in free markets. Government intervention is the enemy of innovation and competition.

It’s a choice that is as simple as it is false. Unfortunately, a gullible American public has swallowed it whole.

...

Of course, it would seem impossible that someone will stand up in the near future and demand that the U.S. government play a stronger role. Politicians and regulators would be cowered by an army of telecom lobbyists and pundits who would chew their heads off.

But the real problem is that the average American has bought into this false choice: government vs. competition. And so, they are not going to insist on the new regulations and stronger enforcement that might a lead to more competition."

Brutal honesty. We've been duped several times in this country. I think I've posted this one before:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html

Not my statement, but one I agree with:

"If you look at the history of telecommunications in the US in great detail with regards to the cable and telephone companies, you will see they do this over and over again.

Whenever they need a government concession or tax break, they claim if they don't get it they will not provide universal service. When they want to keep their monopolies and destroy competitors, they claim that competition would weaken them and make universal service impossible. When they Argue against laws enabling technologies that threaten their revenue stream, they actually state that anything that reduces the amount of money they take in hurts their company, making it impossible for them to deliver universal service.

Telecom companies in the US are pretty much a case study in corporations corrupting the government, lying to the public, and getting away with it."

This. All of this.
“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence