Tip of the hat to Ners

[keefe]

Because of Derrick Wilson obviously! If Dawson had played, MU wins by 30!

Take out the cupcakes and Marquette is 3-8 before last night against genuine competition.

[MerrittsMustache]

Take out the cupcakes and Marquette is 3-8 before last night against genuine competition.

Yeah, I think you've mentioned that a time or twenty on here. What's your point and what does that have to do with why MU lost to Arizona State?

[jesmu84]

Take out the cupcakes and Marquette is 3-8 before last night against genuine competition.

MU is 1-0 against genuine competition with STJ playing significant minutes. STJ was the difference.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I didn't ask you for his individual game statistics.

We lost to ASU. Why?

Oh dear God. 

Maybe because our best guard, one Todd Mayo, was out of the game with an injury? 

Maybe because their NBA level PG went off on us?

Maybe because their center was 5x better than both of ours put together, at least in that one game? 

It wasn't because of Derrick Wilson.

[mu03eng]

Um, Dawson was not basically a Derrick Wilson or "pretty much a bystander" during the comeback in regulation. He passed the ball very well, made Georgetown guard him - which helped open up the front court action of Taylor and Gardner - and played pretty good D. There was actually a spurt in the game when Buzz put Wilson in for Dawson and the offense immediately sputtered and MU went from up 4 or 5 to down 4 or 5 in a span of about 4 minutes. If he was just like D Wilson, then why put him in and not just stay with Wilson?

GTown played zone, so no one was "forced" to guard Dawson

[Nevada233]

WTFO?

A wolf in sheep's clothing?

Trojan?

Sorry typo. My short lunchbreak... Smh.

Im the biggest Dawson Fan on this board besides Dreadman and Ners...

No Wolf here. Typo my bad...

Carry on

[Nevada233]

Oh dear God. 

Maybe because our best guard, one Todd Mayo, was out of the game with an injury? 

Maybe because their NBA level PG went off on us?

Maybe because their center was 5x better than both of ours put together, at least in that one game? 

It wasn't because of Derrick Wilson.

Carson will be on the Magic or Bucks next year. Hes legit.

[jesmu84]

Sorry typo. My short lunchbreak... Smh.

Im the biggest Dawson Fan on this board besides Dreadman and Ners...

No Wolf here. Typo my bad...

Carry on

I'm not discounting anyone supporting Dawson.

But I am calling him out for stating that Jajuan already told Buzz he is transferring.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not discounting anyone supporting Dawson.

But I am calling him out for stating that Jajuan already told Buzz he is transferring.

Not to mention that he admitted that he wanted Marquette to lose out this season so Buzz would get fired.

Dreadman is not company you want to be in

[Dawson Rental]

The problem with your analogy is that Overlord was designed for 3 day windows beginning in May 1944 when the US-UK-Canada had the requisite correlation of forces to attempt the cross-Channel invasion of Fortress Europa. So going on June 5-7 was the plan.

In order to have the amount of moonlight which was thought to be needed for success, the three day windows were identified.  However, going on June 5th was the plan, and the go ahead orders were issued and troops were loaded on the ships.  Eisenhower delayed for a day to the 6th due to weather considerations which was considered possible because the 6th was still within the 3 day window.  You almost make it sound like the armies were told they could head out anytime they wanted to as long as it was during June 5th-7th.

[Silkk the Shaka]

GTown played zone, so no one was "forced" to guard Dawson

Definitely true, but the high post pass was not available with Derrick in the game since they sagged right into it. They extended to pay attention to Dawson, which allowed Davante & Steve to do their high/low work in the soft spot of the zone. That generated a ton of points and was a big reason we won the game.

[Dawson Rental]

Not to mention that he admitted that he wanted Marquette to lose out this season so Buzz would get fired.

Dreadman is not company you want to be in

This is spot on Nevada.  Keefe didn't put Dreadman in the boat with you guys originally, probably to save you guys that association.

[brandx]

Carson will be on the Magic or Bucks next year. Hes legit.

I hope you aren't suggesting he will be one of the top couple picks.

[brandx]

Oh dear God. 

Maybe because our best guard, one Todd Mayo, was out of the game with an injury? 

Maybe because their NBA level PG went off on us?

Maybe because their center was 5x better than both of ours put together, at least in that one game? 

It wasn't because of Derrick Wilson.

If DW is playing because of his defense......

[jesmu84]

If DW is playing because of his defense......

... then if Dawson would have played, Carson would have been even more dominant.

seriously? jeebus. let it go. people are supportive of both players. people want everyone to succeed.

[ATL MU Warrior]

If DW is playing because of his defense......

Grow up. 

[brandx]

Grow up. 

Thoughtful response.....

[Dawson Rental]

Grow up.  

I'm not sure that I agree with brandx, but he certainly seemed to be making a valid counterargument about Derrick having some responsibility for the Arizona State loss when you state that Jahii Carson 'went off on us."

Maybe you think that no one can stop Jahii Carson.  You could just say that then.



/Keep them Georgia players coming.

[Nevada233]

This is spot on Nevada.  Keefe didn't put Dreadman in the boat with you guys originally, probably to save you guys that association.

Yikes he said those things. Wow

Yea bad company for sure lol.

[keefe]

In order to have the amount of moonlight which was thought to be needed for success, the three day windows were identified.  However, going on June 5th was the plan, and the go ahead orders were issued and troops were loaded on the ships.  Eisenhower delayed for a day to the 6th due to weather considerations which was considered possible because the 6th was still within the 3 day window.  You almost make it sound like the armies were told they could head out anytime they wanted to as long as it was during June 5th-7th.

Well, without getting down into the weeds of JOPES let's agree that the Allies planned Overlord for rolling 3 day windows that were based on the lunar cycle for tidal conditions. And yes, the window for June opened on the 5th with the issuance of the Warning Order (WARNO) which in turn required both an OpORD and a series of FRAGOs for go-no go execution. At no time was Gen Bradley at his leisure and sole discretion able to head out at any time during that three day window.

Military operational planning and execution is done in a very specified manner for obvious reasons of coordination, integration, and synchronization. The initial 3 day window for Overlord was actually in May. SHAEF issued a WARNO which required Bradley to undertake a series of actions and activities. Bradley was on hold until SHAEF issued an OpORD which meant aircraft launched, ships weighed anchor, and men began talking to their Maker for courage, hope, and protection. But weather conditions never improved during that 3 day window so SHAEF issued a FRAG which directed Bradley to stand down.

In June SHAEF once again issued a WARNO under which Bradley readied his force in preparation for the OpORD. Nothing happened until late on the 5th Zulu Time when SHAEF issued Bradley the OpORD and then a series of FRAGOs. Nothing happens until higher command issues an OpORD.

That is a mini-version of the Air Command and Staff College syllabus on Joint Operational Planning and Execution.  

[ATL MU Warrior]

Thoughtful response.....

Thank you. 

[brandx]

I'm not sure that I agree with brandx, but he certainly seemed to be making a valid counterargument about Derrick having some responsibility for the Arizona State loss when you state that Jahii Carson 'went off on us."

Maybe you think that no one can stop Jahii Carson.  You could just say that then.

/Keep them Georgia players coming.

If Carson (or any other top player) gets in the zone, no one man can stop him. Of course, it was not all Derrick's fault. Carson was able to get into the lane at will, so the help defense needs to be there.

I probably should have gone into more detail in my post, but it was mainly just in response to all the posts I have seen today and last night that we were losing (and will continue to) so much defense with Dawson in the game. While I think we all can agree that DW is a better defender, Dawson was not a huge drop off.

Actually, the only "bad" defense by John that I saw was that he was a little slow reacting when the ball was swung to his man on the weak side. But part of that is Buzz - as he wants the man on the weak side to be shading toward the paint. John just wasn't quick enough to react a few times when the ball was swung back that way. But as we have seen this year and in years past, he isn't the only one with that problem.

[keefe]

Thank you. 

Just an observation but you do have a temper. This is just a game which provides respite from the things that have genuine meaning. When I react it's not because someone challenges my authority on basketball for I have no expertise in that but because people who were educated by Jesuits can behave in an truly mind-numbing ways.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I'm not sure that I agree with brandx, but he certainly seemed to be making a valid counterargument about Derrick having some responsibility for the Arizona State loss when you state that Jahii Carson 'went off on us."

Maybe you think that no one can stop Jahii Carson.  You could just say that then.

/Keep them Georgia players coming.

You of course are correct.  

I think in that particular game, nobody was going to stop Jahii Carson.  If anyone was going to, I'd take my chances with the guy who had proven he could at least limit a great offensive player over an unheralded freshman suiting up for his 3rd or 4th collegiate game.  I would think anybody would.  

Nevertheless, the fact that their entire team shot close to 55% leads me to believe the loss was a group effort.  Was Derrick guarding all of them too?  Was he guarding their center who went 6-8?  

Or, we could single out one guy (for the millionth time) and blame him.  That just seems unfair to me.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Just an observation but you do have a temper. This is just a game which provides respite from the things that have genuine meaning. When I react it's not because someone challenges my authority on basketball for I have no expertise in that but because people who were educated by Jesuits can behave in an truly mind-numbing ways.

The funny thing is I don't really have a temper.  Never have.  Hopefully never will.

I guess it just bothers me when people think they can single out a single player as the reason why the team has underperformed.  It is a team.  It is not one individual that is the sole reason for us losing. 

I agree with your last sentence 100%.