Buzz is Clueless

[brandx]

Really?

Simply laughable.  Derrick plays a solid game, and it's still his fault they lose.

Gotta disagree. If teams aren't bothering to even guard the guy (and we know they aren't), he is hurting the offensive flow every time down the floor.

Derrick scoring 15 points is in no way similar to, say, a Peyton Siva scoring 15 points. Two completely different worlds.

[keefe]

Oh good.  Now we are stooping to using made up "real" records?  JHC

I removed the cupcakes because those games are not indicative of genuine competition. It is a legitimate analytical method.

Against actual competition this team is now 3-8. Would you disagree?

[brandx]

Why? Because he was the least bad? This is Derrick Wilson's team. As the PG he is the leader. And leadership has nothing to do with FG %. It is only about winning. And this team is not just losing we are not even competitive. Our real record is 3-8.

Meminger, McGuire, Walton, Boylan, Rivers, Johnson, Smith, Hutchins, Henry, Diener, and James were leaders. I don't expect you to get that concept but please stop being so obtuse in your logic.
 

McGuire wasn't a PG, but was still an outstanding passer.

[keefe]

A loss in OT isn't competitive? A road loss at Xavier that was a one-possession game with 70 seconds to play wasn't competitive? Good logic there.

Let me ask: were we competitive in OT? I didn't see that part of the game but it sure sounds like we got our asses kicked. My conclusion is that we were anything but competitive in OT.

[keefe]

McGuire wasn't a PG, but was still an outstanding passer.

Nice catch. I included him because the coach was sleeping with his mom.

[brandx]

Nice catch. I included him because the coach was sleeping with his mom.

I remember hearing rumors about that.

[brandx]

Let me ask: were we competitive in OT? I didn't see that part of the game but it sure sounds like we got our asses kicked. My conclusion is that we were anything but competitive in OT.

Wow - have things have gotten so bad that being competitive against the league's last place team is what we are striving for?

[ATL MU Warrior]

I removed the cupcakes because those games are not indicative of genuine competition. It is a legitimate analytical method.

Against actual competition this team is now 3-8. Would you disagree?

Cupcakes beat good teams every year.

They are actual competition.

The games count and are part of our record. 

Remove them if you want.  Presenting it as our real record is dumb and inaccurate IMO. 

[KenoshaWarrior]

I have read enough of your posts to realize that you would be one f*cking awful college basketball coach.

As bilsu pointed out, D. Wilson was MU's leading scorer in the second half and overtime.  And he's to blame for this loss?  Pathetic analysis.

To be fair we would all be terrible coaches at DI level

[jesmu84]

Derrick's play today was a complete mystery.  In the first half he did a very good job of running the offense.  He pushed the ball up making Butler pay for the lack of athleticism getting back on D.  He took the ball to the hole when it was there.  Forced help which opened up DG underneath and got the ball to him.  He played very good D.  His only mistake was some easily intercepted passes down the wing.
Then about 4 minutes into the second half it was like an alarm went off in his head.  "You're playing too well and controlling too much".  You could tell he kind stood off by the wing.  He stopped doing any penetration.  The offense immediately went stagnate.  Maybe he was tired exerting too much on defense.  Whatever it was it absolutely killed us.  By my count MU scored 3 points between the 16 minute mark and the 5 minute mark.  that simply can not happen.  That is where we lost the game.
Derrick simply must play like he did in the first half for us to have a chance.  Otherwise no one penetrates, the other team locks down the base line players and MU starts taking 3s.  As soon as we started taking a bunch of 3s I knew it was only a matter of time before we lost. 

I 100% agree with this. And i've seen it posted in a few different threads. My question though is this: Why the change? If Derrick made the change himself, he should have seen the bench. But what if Derrick didn't choose to change the style of play? What if Buzz made that call? I actually think it was most likely Buzz. If Buzz made the change, I can't even begin to understand why. And if he did, I'd almost put the loss on him.

[MerrittsMustache]

Let me ask: were we competitive in OT? I didn't see that part of the game but it sure sounds like we got our asses kicked. My conclusion is that we were anything but competitive in OT.

That's not what you originally said though. You said that "this team is not just losing we are not even competitive."

[Lennys Tap]

I removed the cupcakes because those games are not indicative of genuine competition. It is a legitimate analytical method.

Against actual competition this team is now 3-8. Would you disagree?

Does Indiana get to not count their loss at home to Northwestern since it was against a cupcake?

[NotAnAlum]

I can't imagine Buzz telling Derrick to quit being aggressive at the 14 minute mark.  I think its far more likely that Derrick either.
 1.  Got tired due to his defensive assignment and the minutes he had played to that point.  Penetrating takes more energy.  Our past leaders have played through it.  Maybe he couldn't.
 2.  Started thinking that with a 12 point lead he could revert to being more careful and avoid doing anything negative.  In other words he started to over think the situation.

Who knows it could have been anything but something changed and it was clearly visible.  Its also very similar to what happened the home game before with SH.  

[keefe]

That's not what you originally said though. You said that "this team is not just losing we are not even competitive."

It is my opinion that this team is not competitive. We have not beaten a team of note, save for a mildly talented GWU. We have had leads against some teams but have failed to close out the wins. In other contests we were never a threat to win.

I think it was Vander Blue who said he wanted opponents to look at the schedule and mutter, "Sh1t, we gotta play those guys..." or words to that effect. Do you think anyone in our conference is saying that about Marquette now? This team no longer strikes fear in the hearts of adversaries. We are not a competitive threat.

[keefe]

Cupcakes beat good teams every year.

They are actual competition.

The games count and are part of our record. 

Remove them if you want.  Presenting it as our real record is dumb and inaccurate IMO. 

I will remove them. Because a more accurate gauge of our competitiveness is to look at reasonable match ups. Lopsided victories against Grambling and IUPUI are indicative of nothing from a competitiveness stand point.

Our record against all competition is 10-8. But our record against viable opponents is 3-8. And I am being generous as regards Seton Hall, a game we almost lost.

Believing we have 10 victories this season against legitimate competition is delusional. I shudder to think how we would fare if we were in last year's Big East.   

[slingkong]

Our record against all competition is 10-8. But our record against viable opponents is 3-8.

Regardless whether one uses 10-8 or 3-8 as MU's record, the fact is that neither is good. Both are piss poor.

[connie]

Regardless whether one uses 10-8 or 3-8 as MU's record, the fact is that neither is good. Both are piss poor.

We are really arguing over the arrangement of the deck chairs at this point.  I want to be optimistic, but this damn reality thing keeps popping up.

[MerrittsMustache]

It is my opinion that this team is not competitive. We have not beaten a team of note, save for a mildly talented GWU. We have had leads against some teams but have failed to close out the wins. In other contests we were never a threat to win.

I think it was Vander Blue who said he wanted opponents to look at the schedule and mutter, "Sh1t, we gotta play those guys..." or words to that effect. Do you think anyone in our conference is saying that about Marquette now? This team no longer strikes fear in the hearts of adversaries. We are not a competitive threat.

You claim that MU hasn't beaten a team of note, yet you consider the team to be 3-8 against viable competition. Please, enlighten us on the difference between "a team of note" and "viable competition."

You don't believe that MU is a "threat to win" in games that come down to the final possession or in one-possession games with under 2 minutes to play. Interesting. Please, enlighten us on what you believe constitutes being a "threat to win."

Or better yet, stick to what you do best and post long, embellished stories and pictures of mildly attractive women in military garb.

[chapman]

Or better yet, stick to what you do best and post long, embellished stories and pictures of mildly attractive women in military garb.

IDF chicks are much more than mildly attractive!!!

[79Warrior]

You claim that MU hasn't beaten a team of note, yet you consider the team to be 3-8 against viable competition. Please, enlighten us on the difference between "a team of note" and "viable competition."

You don't believe that MU is a "threat to win" in games that come down to the final possession or in one-possession games with under 2 minutes to play. Interesting. Please, enlighten us on what you believe constitutes being a "threat to win."

Or better yet, stick to what you do best and post long, embellished stories and pictures of mildly attractive women in military garb.

How many Top 50 wins do we have? How many Top 100-150 wins do we have?  Beyond that, Keefe considers the wins meaningless and I think that is a fair assessment.