Search for New President

[forgetful]

Not many people are going to come in with this experience, but they need to have the ability to relate to people, speak with passion about the vision of the institution and where philanthropy fits into that vision. 

I mean, Pilarz had experience with that at Scranton, and it didn't do him any good once he got here.  I doubt someone like Fr. Raynor had any experience with that prior to MU, and he raised money like Wild did.

Sultan,  Although you are right that not many people have the experience to bring in big money right away, if MU does not hire one of those people it is a failed search.  The president's job is one thing and one thing only, raise money.  Administration tasks generally fall to the Provost level.

One can be successful without the prior experience, but you are making it an uphill battle from day 1.

As to the 1200 applicants comment, agree with your assessment.  Those are publicity numbers, they assuredly have a list of less than 50 that they are actually considering.  Most of those didn't formally apply, they were specifically targeted and contacted as to their interest level.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Agree with everything you say but women priests just won't happen in our lifetime. The Vatican moves at a snails pace. That said I think married priests are not only possible but likely, due to the dwindling numbers as you said.

Unfortunately a married diocesan priesthood would completely bury religious orders such as the Jesuits, along with all other orders that require celibacy would eventually die out.

I have less faith that the institution of marriage will even survive.  People aren't getting married as much...we've done a good job of diluting its value and encouraging other endeavors.  Marriage rates are falling dramatically.  The birth rate will continue to drop (because of this and other societal changes) to the point where it is extremely problematic....Japan is in a terrible bind right now because of it.

We reap what we sow as a society, I just feel bad for my kids that will have to live longer in it than I will. 

[keefe]

Agree with everything you say but women priests just won't happen in our lifetime. The Vatican moves at a snails pace. That said I think married priests are not only possible but likely, due to the dwindling numbers as you said.

Unfortunately a married diocesan priesthood would completely bury religious orders such as the Jesuits, along with all other orders that require celibacy would eventually die out.

But they all now require celibacy and that is likely the single biggest reason there isn't one Jesuit under the age of 70 in that photo. There is a huge difference in mission, battle rhythm, and end game between Jesuits and Diocesans. Frankly, I think that a married vicar has a keener appreciation of his flock's struggles and torments than the single, celibate priest.

My wife was RC and I am CE so we split time between parishes throughout. We helped with some of the Marriage Encounter groups over the years and I could see that a married clergy had a deeper understanding of marital issues from the simple fact of having had to deal with a female in an intimate relationship.

As for female priests, I have been in CE services with a woman vicar and I can attest that her genital gear issue doesn't interfere with her ability to provide sacramental service. And frankly speaking, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that the celibacy criteria is a major factor in what has been going on in parishes around the world for generations.  

The North American Church has been addressing its priest shortfall by importing clergy from French speaking Africa and the Philippines. They are also allowing CE vicars to say Mass. But these solutions are ignoring the problem which is a huge risk factor for the Church. Francis has a unique opportunity to engineer real change. Let's see if he has the courage to save the Church.

[keefe]

I have less faith that the institution of marriage will even survive.  People aren't getting married as much...we've done a good job of diluting its value and encouraging other endeavors.  Marriage rates are falling dramatically.  The birth rate will continue to drop (because of this and other societal changes) to the point where it is extremely problematic....Japan is in a terrible bind right now because of it.

We reap what we sow as a society, I just feel bad for my kids that will have to live longer in it than I will. 

The Pill. This is all because of The Pill.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The Pill. This is all because of The Pill.

That is what I was talking about with "other societal changes", but I don't agree it is all the pill.  It's a huge chunk, but many people just don't want to have kids anymore. The desire to have them is gone...career is more valued than motherhood...heck, I see where some women who are stay at home mothers feel put down because that is what they chose to do.  Very sad, but that's how they feel.  We do that enough as a society, we stigmatize that somehow women who do this are less, than you will have fewer and fewer women choosing to do so.

Sad.

[jsglow]

As to the 1200 applicants comment, agree with your assessment.  Those are publicity numbers, they assuredly have a list of less than 50 that they are actually considering.  Most of those didn't formally apply, they were specifically targeted and contacted as to their interest level.

The search committee is currently considering about 15 and expects to be down to 3-4 finalists within 30 to 45 days.  There is still every expectation that the new President will be in place for the start of the school year.  Permanent Provost search will be launched immediately thereafter followed by Bus. Ad Dean, etc.

[forgetful]

That is what I was talking about with "other societal changes", but I don't agree it is all the pill.  It's a huge chunk, but many people just don't want to have kids anymore. The desire to have them is gone...career is more valued than motherhood...heck, I see where some women who are stay at home mothers feel put down because that is what they chose to do.  Very sad, but that's how they feel.  We do that enough as a society, we stigmatize that somehow women who do this are less, than you will have fewer and fewer women choosing to do so.

Sad.

Chico's you are so far away from what the actual issues are with these statements.  The reason fewer are getting married and few are having kids, is frankly they can't.  They must at least go to college (most to grad school) to get a job that is sufficient to consider having a family.  Because grad school is often required it creates a two body problem late in life when people would normally settle down.  That means college relationships are not often viewed as precursors to a marriage, they realize that they will be separating for grad school (similar to high school-college a few decades ago).

Once they finally do have a job, they are facing student loan payments that often exceed peoples house note.  Thus, they feel a burden of having to get their affairs in order before marriage is an option.  Those that are married, cannot afford a child because of the costs of their education, so they are forced to wait.  That leaves many having 1 or at most 2 kids, later in life, instead of 2-4 kids while they are young.

It is not the pill, or valuing a career more than motherhood.  It is the requirement of a two family income and lengthy and costly education that is the issue.

[GGGG]

That is what I was talking about with "other societal changes", but I don't agree it is all the pill.  It's a huge chunk, but many people just don't want to have kids anymore. The desire to have them is gone...career is more valued than motherhood...heck, I see where some women who are stay at home mothers feel put down because that is what they chose to do.  Very sad, but that's how they feel.  We do that enough as a society, we stigmatize that somehow women who do this are less, than you will have fewer and fewer women choosing to do so.

Sad.

People are choosing not to have kids, or choosing to have less kids, because kids are expensive.  There really isn't more to it than that.  

[wildbill sb]

Not many people are going to come in with this experience, but they need to have the ability to relate to people, speak with passion about the vision of the institution and where philanthropy fits into that vision. 

I mean, Pilarz had experience with that at Scranton, and it didn't do him any good once he got here.  I doubt someone like Fr. Raynor had any experience with that prior to MU, and he raised money like Wild did.

Yeah, and DiUlio had jebbie Unversity (Xavier) experience, too, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. (Ask any of the old timers about their MU pension fund.) 
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
On the other hand,  I hope the selection committee gives very serious consideration is given to selecting a woman president, for reasons I've mentioned in an earlier post.

[Coleman]

Yeah, and DiUlio had jebbie Unversity (Xavier) experience, too, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. (Ask any of the old timers about their MU pension fund.) 
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
On the other hand,  I hope the selection committee gives very serious consideration is given to selecting a woman president, for reasons I've mentioned in an earlier post.

So you think if someone offers to donate 7.5 million for a new Jesuit residence .... Marquette should say no?

[Coleman]

But they all now require celibacy and that is likely the single biggest reason there isn't one Jesuit under the age of 70 in that photo. There is a huge difference in mission, battle rhythm, and end game between Jesuits and Diocesans. Frankly, I think that a married vicar has a keener appreciation of his flock's struggles and torments than the single, celibate priest.

My wife was RC and I am CE so we split time between parishes throughout. We helped with some of the Marriage Encounter groups over the years and I could see that a married clergy had a deeper understanding of marital issues from the simple fact of having had to deal with a female in an intimate relationship.

As for female priests, I have been in CE services with a woman vicar and I can attest that her genital gear issue doesn't interfere with her ability to provide sacramental service. And frankly speaking, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that the celibacy criteria is a major factor in what has been going on in parishes around the world for generations.  

The North American Church has been addressing its priest shortfall by importing clergy from French speaking Africa and the Philippines. They are also allowing CE vicars to say Mass. But these solutions are ignoring the problem which is a huge risk factor for the Church. Francis has a unique opportunity to engineer real change. Let's see if he has the courage to save the Church.

Again, I agree with literally all of this.

My point was only that if a married diocesan priesthood was allowed, it would hasten the demise of the Jesuits and other orders.

But I still think it needs to happen.

I am also all for women priests. I just don't think its a realistic expectation, unfortunately.

[tower912]

I was married in a Lutheran Church by a female pastor.   Still going 22 years later.   My wife ultimately decided to become Catholic, so we returned to the RC Church.   What was funny for me is that when my oldest daughter was baptized, no one checked on the validity of our marriage.   When my 7 year old was baptized, the current pastor actually had to sit us down and have a talk about getting our marriage recognized by the Catholic church.   I amusedly shook my head the whole time but ultimately jumped through the hoop.      Kids are expensive and the planet has finite resources.    Raising money has to be the next MU president's number 1 priority.    Did I miss anything?

[wildbill sb]

So you think if someone offers to donate 7.5 million for a new Jesuit residence .... Marquette should say no?

Tough call, I admit, and I'm not sure what is the best response to such an offer.  Maybe switching the amounts offered - 2.5 for the residence and 7.5 for the scholarship fund?  My initial question (which I still hold):  Is a new residence hall for the jebbies a higher priority than a significant contribution to helping needy students?  It may be simply my perception, or maybe others, as well.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chico's you are so far away from what the actual issues are with these statements.  The reason fewer are getting married and few are having kids, is frankly they can't.  They must at least go to college (most to grad school) to get a job that is sufficient to consider having a family.  Because grad school is often required it creates a two body problem late in life when people would normally settle down.  That means college relationships are not often viewed as precursors to a marriage, they realize that they will be separating for grad school (similar to high school-college a few decades ago).

Once they finally do have a job, they are facing student loan payments that often exceed peoples house note.  Thus, they feel a burden of having to get their affairs in order before marriage is an option.  Those that are married, cannot afford a child because of the costs of their education, so they are forced to wait.  That leaves many having 1 or at most 2 kids, later in life, instead of 2-4 kids while they are young.

It is not the pill, or valuing a career more than motherhood.  It is the requirement of a two family income and lengthy and costly education that is the issue.

Of course financial considerations are part of it, career, schooling, etc.  It's not the end all be all for everyone either.


But you're right...there is no knocking motherhood in this country by some, it doesn't happen.  Forgive me.

You're also right, everyone requires two incomes and advanced degrees to make it a go in this country.  Forgive me.  (Somehow my wife's high school degree, no college degree and staying home to raise our two kids is by a miracle)

I'll have to let my wife know that the volunteer work she does, including helping stay at home moms not feel shamed by others and instead value their roles (if they choose it), is wasted work.


A poem she likes to share

Today I left some dishes dirty

the bed got made around 3:30

The diapers soaked a little longer

the odor grew a little stronger

the crumbs I spilled the day before

are staring at me on the floor

the fingerprints there on the wall

will likely be there till next fall

the dirty streaks on the window panes

will still be there next time it rains.

Shame on you you sit and say,

Just what did you do today?



I held a baby till he slept

I held a toddler while she wept

I played a game of hide and seek

I squeezed a toy so it would squeak

I pulled a wagon, sang a song

Tought a child right from wrong

What did I do this whole day through?

not much that shows i guess its true.

unless you think that what Ive done

might be important to someone.

with deep green eyes and soft brown hair

If thats true... Ive done my share.

[GGGG]

Looks like Mrs. Chicos tends to be over-persecuted as well.

[mu_hilltopper]

I was married "married" in a Lutheran Church by a female pastor.   

FIFY.

[Coleman]

Yeah, and DiUlio had jebbie Unversity (Xavier) experience, too, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. (Ask any of the old timers about their MU pension fund.) 
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
On the other hand,  I hope the selection committee gives very serious consideration is given to selecting a woman president, for reasons I've mentioned in an earlier post.

Don't know much about Diulio other then he got rid of Warriors. What else did he do wrong?

I know the 1980s and early 1990s were a tough time for MU, but how much of that was stuff like Dahmer, and how much was it the administrations fault?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Looks like Mrs. Chicos tends to be over-persecuted as well.

You don't know Mrs. Chicos...she's a wonderful woman....she doesn't feel persecuted at all, she helps those that do.  This was our plan from day one, and sometimes it can be difficult.

Usually women that are pressured from their duck husbands to get a job, do it all so they can have a bigger house, get the Mercedes, blah blah.  The women feel what they are doing is not up to snuff.

That's the problem I have most with Forgetful's post...a lot of this is about choices.  People want it all, they want the big house, the nice cars, the vacations, all of the other stuff.  That's what is most important to them.  You know what, get the medium sized house, don't pay $45K for a car, try $20K or less, etc, etc.  You make tradeoffs in life.  I drive a used truck, we have a "nice" house, we certainly could have gotten won a helluva lot more expensive and she would need to go to work....choices.

[GGGG]

Dahmer was a convenient scapegoat.

Marquette had no money, needed to invest in infrastructure, it's neighborhood was falling apart, and the late Raynor administration felt a bit complacent.  And of course the basketball sucked.

DiUlio had some good ideas.  Buying up the crappy buildings around campus was good.  Improving the basketball program was important.  Trying to convince the city to close Wisconsin Avenue wasn't going to go anywhere.  But he simply didn't do a good job with Marquette's top donors.  He was elitist and not terribly approachable.  Then of course he pissed off everyone with the nickname debacle.

In many ways he woke up the campus and pushed it into the future, but he could never sustain it.  Wild was a perfect replacement.

[4everwarriors]

Seems like everyone in LA drives Mercedes, BMW, or Lexus. If ya wanna strut your stuff, move up to Bentley, Ferrari, Maserati, or Maybach, aina?

[forgetful]

Of course financial considerations are part of it, career, schooling, etc.  It's not the end all be all for everyone either.


But you're right...there is no knocking motherhood in this country by some, it doesn't happen.  Forgive me.

You're also right, everyone requires two incomes and advanced degrees to make it a go in this country.  Forgive me.  (Somehow my wife's high school degree, no college degree and staying home to raise our two kids is by a miracle)

I'll have to let my wife know that the volunteer work she does, including helping stay at home moms not feel shamed by others and instead value their roles (if they choose it), is wasted work.

You have completely gone off your rocker on this one.  Nowhere in my post did I say a word about those that chose to be stay at home moms.  In fact I have the utmost respect for them, also the stay at home dads in this country.

The problem is that you have decided as you note in the follow up post that people that wait til later in life or those that are two income families are doing it out of greed to have bigger homes and nicer things. 

You also mention that women are pressured to get a job by their duck husbands (whatever the hell that means).  That women that work are apparently powerless saps that are being controlled by their greedy husbands.  Get off your high horse, get in touch with reality.

You are very fortunate to be able to have your wife stay at home, very few in this country can afford the same luxury anymore.  Two income households are a norm in this country for a reason; they are there because of declining incomes that necessitate two incomes to reach the same level as one previously...not greed as you imply. 

Whereas I didn't say a thing about stay at home moms, your statement is insulting to every family in America that has two people working their tails off just to keep the lights on in their household.  I will not comment on this further as there is nothing here to debate and this thread is about the MU president, that somehow you managed (as normal) to twist into some unrelated debate.

[4everwarriors]

Stay at home persons, rock.

[keefe]

And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."

I'm not sure I understand your objection. The pledge was for a specific purpose. And there is hardly anything profilagte, questionable, or excessive in updating the living quarters for Jesuit priests.

[keefe]

 When my 7 year old was baptized, the current pastor actually had to sit us down and have a talk about getting our marriage recognized by the Catholic church.   I amusedly shook my head the whole time but ultimately jumped through the hoop.     

How was the second bachelor party?

[keefe]

I drive a used truck

Is the Panty Dropper second-hand, too?