John Dawson Time...

[Wojo'sMojo]

Then you aren't reading carefully. 

I read that Wilson has played 273 more minutes than Dawson and they both have made 1 three pointer. That is almost 7 more full games...now who has less offensive ability??

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Paint Touches article

Is Derrick Wilson Helping or Hurting Marquette??

http://painttouches.com/2013/12/27/derrick-wilson-helping-or-hurting-marquette/

Obviously a more credible source is asking the same questions we been asking all season....
If this article even had to be written thats a clear indication hes not getting the Job done. Period.

No kidding.

The issue isn't that Wilson is underperforming...it's that Dawson isn't any better.

[GGGG]

I read that Wilson has played 273 more minutes than Dawson and they both have made 1 three pointer. That is almost 7 more full games...now who has less offensive ability??

Dawson.

Really, you need to learn how to read something fully and completely.  It's not that hard if you have a Marquette education.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Dawson.

Really, you need to learn how to read something fully and completely.  It's not that hard if you have a Marquette education.

Well Mr. Education you posted a stat comparison. People will make different judgements and inferences from something like that. Not really something you can read fully and completely.

[MerrittsMustache]

I read that Wilson has played 273 more minutes than Dawson and they both have made 1 three pointer. That is almost 7 more full games...now who has less offensive ability??

Deonte Burton has not made any 3's this season. He must have less offensive ability than Wilson and Dawson combined. Jimmy Butler didn't make any 3's his soph year. I have no idea why Buzz kept that guy around.

[GGGG]

Well Mr. Education you posted a stat comparison. People will make different judgements and inferences from something like that. Not really something you can read fully and completely.

Of course....I knew you would have another excuse.

[MU82]

I read that Wilson has played 273 more minutes than Dawson and they both have made 1 three pointer. That is almost 7 more full games...now who has less offensive ability??

Well, Hedo Turkoglu made more than twice as many 3-pointers as Michael Jordan. Jason Terry made more than three times as many. Ray Allen, 5 times as many.

Ipso fatso, MJ had less offensive ability than Turkoglu, Terry and Allen.

MJ apparently also had less offensive ability than these others who made more 3's than he did: Andres Nocioni, Craig Ehlo, Chris Duhon, Bryon Russell, Keith Bogans, Rick Fox, Eric Piatkowski ... need I go on?

[Wojo'sMojo]

Of course....I knew you would have another excuse.

How is that an excuse? You posted a stats comparison. My takeaway from that is it is clearly skewed to Wilson as he has played 273 more minutes than Dawson. You are obviously an eternal optimist and there is nothing wrong with that. I am a realist and realistically this team is terrible and that is due in large part to the shortcomings of our starting pg.

[BallBoy]

Fair enough - it is a fact, in my opinion...but yes, an opinion as are everybody's points on this board.  The primary thing Dawson does better than Derrick is push the ball in transition, see the floor better, and create legitimate easy scoring opportunities for the people he assists...namely Gardner.  Derrick has 3 of his 50 assists for the year to our leading scorer and most talented offensive performer.  It's a joke.

He made one pass in one game against a cupcake and you have been talking about it ever since yet you ignore every time that D Wilson does the same thing.  In that game against the cupcake (Grambling), Wilson had a better stat line in the exact same number of minutes.  You then exaggerate every time D Wilson turns the ball over.  You talk about how Dawson does all of these great things but they never happened.  Dawson doesn't push the ball better in transition or see the court better because he doesn't even take the ball up the court most of the time.  Just as an FYI, in the Grambling game which Dawson had the majority of his assists, Gardner only had 10 points.  

It blows my mind that some here are so convinced that our PG play could get worse if we moved to Dawson - we have a large sample size of what it is with Derrick at the helm, and its awful.  All of his supporters are grasping at straws trying to find ANYTHING they can to justify why he's on the floor.

Well, he has an better A/TO ratio, better rebounder, he has a better FG% and FT%, and equivalent 3P% as Dawson (DW is 1 for 9 while JD is 1 for 8 - Doesn't look like either is going to stretch the defense).  So the only thing Wilson doesn't do well is shoot the ball and Dawson hasn't shown he is much better at 2 for 12 against the lower end competition.  It blows your mind because you make sh*t up and believe it to be true.  Dawson has played 83 minutes you should be able to watch the games in fast forward and give us specifics on what he did well and do that in 20 minutes. I will even help you out.  Dawson has a total of 12 assists, he got 6 of them against Grambling State, 2 against CS Fullerton and 3 against IUPUI so now you only need to fast forward 3 games.   In the same games Wilson had 10, 5, and 5.  In those same games, Wilson has 1, 1, 1 TO to Dawson's 2, 0, 1.  Those games should be fairly comparable because Dawson got a run though he also got a run in Ball State and got goose eggs.  

Dawson has made a total of two baskets.  One against Grambling and one against GW.  


Buzz is just a die hard loyal guy to his vets, and that's it...it's the way he rolls.  Anyone really think Juan and Jake are better than Burton and JJJ??  Who's third on the team in minutes?  Jake - just 3 minutes behind Jamil and 53 minutes behind Derrick.

So you are saying the Derrick Wilson should have started ahead of Junior.  This is where the whole loyalty play started.  So if by this logic of Buzz playing people because he is loyal vs who is better would mean that Wilson is better than Junior.  I think we can all agree that isn't true.  I believe Jake is more consistent that JJJ but if you notice both of these guys get more PT than Dawson which means Buzz isn't giving the same level of loyalty to Juan and Jake as he is Wilson because he actually wants to win. Just an FYI but Juan only get .8 minutes more than JJJ and is 7th on the team. Where's the loyalty?!?  Deonte and JJJ are better players so they get the minutes.

I LOVE Buzz as much as any fan here, yet that does not mean I'm going to agree with him 100% of the time.  The fact he moved Jamil to the point, and moved Derrick to the paint/post was ludicrous.  You simply are moving Derrick's defender into an area closer to be able to help off of Derrick onto Devante.

So if Jamil's defender was in the post, he wouldn't be closer to be able to help onto Devante?  Last I looked I would bet that Jamil's defender is bigger which would impact Devante more than a small point guard.  Also Jamil is a better three point shooter that Derrick which means his defender won't sag into the lane and be able to prevent the pass into Devante.  If Jamil is an equivalent passer as Derrick wouldn't he be able to feed the post better and be a better option for a kick out pass.  Wouldn't Derrick be just as open next to the basket if his player helped Gardner as Jaiml would.  This is very much as stretch on your part.    

If you have to resort to moving your PG to the paint area so that the opposition will guard him - that says all you need to know about how ineffective said PG is.
What does it mean when you give the ball to your three/four to bring up instead of your backup point guard?

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How is that an excuse? You posted a stats comparison. My takeaway from that is it is clearly skewed to Wilson as he has played 273 more minutes than Dawson. You are obviously an eternal optimist and there is nothing wrong with that. I am a realist and realistically this team is terrible and that is due in large part to the shortcomings of our starting pg.

Look at the per 40 stats....look at OR...it isn't just about more minutes that Derrick has played.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Buzz has been harping about paint touches for six years.  Amazing that all of a sudden this is a cause of our problems.

This is true.  And it has always been frustrating to watch guys that are pretty capable shooters turn down wide open looks.

However, I don't think we've ever seen defenses packing it in against us like we are seeing this year.  This is of course due to a combination of things: the paint touch philosophy as well as the limitations of the players we have this year.  The question becomes, with these players being the guys Buzz is going to ride, what adjustments can we make to open up the paint so that we can get some interior offense going and get some kind of flow in the offense?

My answer:  Let the guys take the first good perimeter shot, whether they have gotten ball into the paint or not.  We don't shoot the three very well so this probably seems counter-intuitive.  However, we'll likely make enough that other teams have to respect it.  Once they start feeling like they have to cover the shooter (because, you know what, he might actually shoot the ball) the interior will open back up.  The shots we don't make -- I like our odds at scrapping for some offensive rebounds given that our rebounding and front line is supposed to be a strength for us.  

I'm not advocating that we turn into a bunch of chuckers, but it is painfully clear that this deliberate working of the ball into the paint isn't working this year.  We have enough guys that are good enough shooters to make this a reasonable approach.  Time to make some adjustments to offensive philosophy, Buzz.

I like this approach much better than just starting somebody else because they *might* be better, even though they haven't shown it.

[Nevada233]

No kidding.

The issue isn't that Wilson is underperforming...it's that Dawson isn't any better.

I cant say that about a guy whos got more DNPs than anything else.

With DuWilson returning from injury and Derrick coming back likely Starting as a Sr.  Dawson prolly will be playing....... Just at another school . . . #TransferAlert Jamal Ferguson part 2

[NersEllenson]

I'm not surprised your username here is BallBoy...stick to what you do best, chasing balls around for guys who can play and know the game.

If you've ever played a lick of basketball beyond 8th grade, you know that getting 9 minutes a game, which is what Dawson has averaged in the total games he's played, and usually that 9 minutes of time is broken up into three, 3-minute segments - you'd know it's next to impossible to put up impressive stat lines.

Derrick is the leader in minutes played by a long shot, and his production is basically the worst on the team.  We know what Derrick can do in 30 minutes of action - about 4ppg, 4 assists, 2 turnovers - all while basically never being defended on the perimeter where he spends 95% of his time.  It's a joke.

If Dawson is so much worse than Derrick - then he doesn't belong at a high major school - and that is on the coaching staff. 

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I cant say that about a guy whos got more DNPs than anything else.

With DuWilson returning from injury and Derrick coming back likely Starting as a Sr.  Dawson prolly will be playing....... Just at another school . . . #TransferAlert Jamal Ferguson part 2

Well, I'm not missing Jamal.  I think Dawson is much better than that.

[Nevada233]

I'm not surprised your username here is BallBoy...stick to what you do best, chasing balls around for guys who can play and know the game.

If you've ever played a lick of basketball beyond 8th grade, you know that getting 9 minutes a game, which is what Dawson has averaged in the total games he's played, and usually that 9 minutes of time is broken up into three, 3-minute segments - you'd know it's next to impossible to put up impressive stat lines.

Derrick is the leader in minutes played by a long shot, and his production is basically the worst on the team.  We know what Derrick can do in 30 minutes of action - about 4ppg, 4 assists, 2 turnovers - all while basically never being defended on the perimeter where he spends 95% of his time.  It's a joke.

If Dawson is so much worse than Derrick - then he doesn't belong at a high major school - and that is on the coaching staff. 

He gets Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins Minutes with benchwarmer production....

[Nevada233]

Well, I'm not missing Jamal.  I think Dawson is much better than that.

Sultan, I hope so and over time He should be better. Jamal just left and is where now. Lol nobody knows.

Im sticking with the team. Regardless of whos playing. Buzz will work it out.

[GGGG]

Sultan, I hope so and over time He should be better. Jamal just left and is where now. Lol nobody knows.

NC Central.

http://nccueaglepride.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4171&path=mbball

[NersEllenson]

Well, I'm not missing Jamal.  I think Dawson is much better than that.

Funny - I actually though Jamal showed some talent in his very limited action while at MU - some good D, steals, and a few mid range jumpers mixed in.....then it was bench city for him.  Surprised he ended up going to a low major - think it was North Carolina Central..

Wouldn't surprise me to see Dawson leave after this year either....if he can't get time backing up a highly ineffective PG this year, and with Duane coming back next - don't see any PT on the horizon for him till perhaps his Junior year...wonder if he'll want to wait it out at MU that long...which is when he'd become eligible to play at another school if he were to transfer and sit out a year...

[mu03eng]

I read that Wilson has played 273 more minutes than Dawson and they both have made 1 three pointer. That is almost 7 more full games...now who has less offensive ability??

You do realize that in 7 more full games Wilson took one less shot then Dawson from 3?  So per game Dawson is pulling more often at a nearly identical success rate.  That's what Sultan means by fully understanding what you are reading.

Just to do the math for you, Derrick has 16 games with one made 3 and 9 attempts.  Assuming Dawson had the same 16 games it would project out to two made on fourteen attempts (roughly).  That's what we "need"?

[NersEllenson]

You do realize that in 7 more full games Wilson took one less shot then Dawson from 3?  So per game Dawson is pulling more often at a nearly identical success rate.  That's what Sultan means by fully understanding what you are reading.

Just to do the math for you, Derrick has 16 games with one made 3 and 9 attempts.  Assuming Dawson had the same 16 games it would project out to two made on fourteen attempts (roughly).  That's what we "need"?

And I fully understand if you have a PG who is afraid to shoot a 3, it results in the defender collapsing to the paint shutting off drives and paint touches, while also allowing a guy to shadow our 2 guard at all times, as there is no risk of the PG beating his defender off the dribble and forcing help.

So, I've said it before, I'd much rather see Derrick launch 5, 3's per game, and if he makes just 1.5 of the 5....he will be helping the offense flow better as teams will have to start to guard him a little more on the perimeter.

[keefe]

This is true.  And it has always been frustrating to watch guys that are pretty capable shooters turn down wide open looks.

However, I don't think we've ever seen defenses packing it in against us like we are seeing this year.  This is of course due to a combination of things: the paint touch philosophy as well as the limitations of the players we have this year.  The question becomes, with these players being the guys Buzz is going to ride, what adjustments can we make to open up the paint so that we can get some interior offense going and get some kind of flow in the offense?

My answer:  Let the guys take the first good perimeter shot, whether they have gotten ball into the paint or not.  We don't shoot the three very well so this probably seems counter-intuitive.  However, we'll likely make enough that other teams have to respect it.  Once they start feeling like they have to cover the shooter (because, you know what, he might actually shoot the ball) the interior will open back up.  The shots we don't make -- I like our odds at scrapping for some offensive rebounds given that our rebounding and front line is supposed to be a strength for us.  

I'm not advocating that we turn into a bunch of chuckers, but it is painfully clear that this deliberate working of the ball into the paint isn't working this year.  We have enough guys that are good enough shooters to make this a reasonable approach.  Time to make some adjustments to offensive philosophy, Buzz.

I like this approach much better than just starting somebody else because they *might* be better, even though they haven't shown it.

Paint Touches works when you have a credible outside threat. We lack that this year so Paint Touches is not just ineffective but counterproductive.

The Strategic Bombing Campaign against Germany in WWII was not just about ball bearing, POL, and steel production. The fact of a credible strategic aerial threat forced Germany to redeploy scarce artillery and fighter assets that were desperately needed in other theatres, especially Russia. In effect, it opened up the court and allowed the Red Army to pound the ball inside.

The SAIS has published analyses that demonstrate the derivative war fighting impact of USAF and RAF air power exponentially outweighed the quantitative cost of developing and deploying those assets.

[mu03eng]

And I fully understand if you have a PG who is afraid to shoot a 3, it results in the defender collapsing to the paint shutting off drives and paint touches, while also allowing a guy to shadow our 2 guard at all times, as there is no risk of the PG beating his defender off the dribble and forcing help.

So, I've said it before, I'd much rather see Derrick launch 5, 3's per game, and if he makes just 1.5 of the 5....he will be helping the offense flow better as teams will have to start to guard him a little more on the perimeter.

Being a crappy volume shooter doesn't help extend the defense at all.  As Keefe said, it has to be credible.  Dawson seems to be just as crappy a shooter but more voluminous, doesn't mean teams are going to guard him on the perimeter more.  From an efficiency standpoint on defense I give him the shot because though a higher value the productive usefulness of those shots is less.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

And I fully understand if you have a PG who is afraid to shoot a 3, it results in the defender collapsing to the paint shutting off drives and paint touches, while also allowing a guy to shadow our 2 guard at all times, as there is no risk of the PG beating his defender off the dribble and forcing help.

So, I've said it before, I'd much rather see Derrick launch 5, 3's per game, and if he makes just 1.5 of the 5....he will be helping the offense flow better as teams will have to start to guard him a little more on the perimeter.

MU needs Derrick to shoot (and miss) more jumpshots to help the offense?

If that's what MU needs, then they should play Todd, not Dawson. Todd will happily chuck up 5 3's a game with no conscience.

[Nevada233]

MU needs Derrick to shoot (and miss) more jumpshots to help the offense?

If that's what MU needs, then they should play Todd, not Dawson. Todd will happily chuck up 5 3's a game with no conscience.

Todd Mayo = J.R. Smith..... Brick brick brick. All night long. We dont need that

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Todd Mayo = J.R. Smith..... Brick brick brick. All night long. We dont need that

Wellll,

Derrick isn't a good shooter, so that's not the answer.

Maybe Dawson can shoot!

BUT

Buzz sees these kids practice everyday. What if he sees that Dawson is clearly worse at shooting than Derrick? Is Dawson still an option?

WE, (internet nerds) don't know because Dawson doesn't play. However, Buzz Williams knows because he watches Dawson everyday.