John Dawson Time...

[NavinRJohnson]

Let me see if I understand your point of view completely.  Buzz Williams, a head coach at a division 1 school who has gone to the Sweet Sixteen the last 3 years is playing a player he knows to be inferior to others on the roster.  He is also playing that said player more than any other player on his roster and the only reason he is not playing other players is loyalty?  Dawson out performs Derrick in practice but Buzz is loyal.  Is this your contention?

I'd love to hear an answer to that one.

[Nevada233]

Ideally, yes, my ideal PG wouldn't turn the ball over more than twice per game - but I'd take a guy who turns it 3 times per game, scores 9-10ppg, assists 5 times per game, and shoots better than 11% from three, 55% from the FT line.  Oh, but let me guess, you'll now mention Dawson's stats - I don't put a lot of stock in the stats a player compiles when they are getting 3 minute stints of action - that isn't relevant sample size to evaluate a player.

Haven't seen Sugar's latest player efficiency ratings, but I'd bet the house that Derrick still is at the bottom of the team and by a wide margin - yet he plays the most minutes on the team??

The 3 assist stat was mentioned on the Scout board - there are many there who are equally frustrated and annoyed with the team under Derrick's direction.  

So, I'll relax on the topic and stand by my earlier statement - If nothing changes, nothing changes.  We aren't improving, things aren't getting better - we just got the doors blown off by Creighton in our worst loss of the season.  If anything, I sure hope Buzz moves Jamil to the point for 25 minutes a game and gives his other minutes to Burton and then JJJ.

Indeed he does not play so his stats dont or wont say anything to compare him to someone who plays 30+ MPG. Those are 1st round draft pick minutes anyway funny story.
I was watching the Ball State Game and went to heat up popcorn and heard the announcer say "In comes Dawson... A freshmen Point Guard"... So I grabbed a pepsi went back to the couch and before i sat down buzzer sounded **Poof** he was gone. I dont think he even touched the ball once.

[79Warrior]

Is Juan better than Deonte?  No.  That is probably why Deonte's minutes have grown, and Juan's have shrunk, as the year has gone on.  Buzz is giving him more minutes because he has earned them.

Is Jake better than JJJ?  JJJ definitely has more potential, but Jake has done more in the games against quality competition than JJJ has.  JJJ was non-existent against Wisconsin, New Mexico, Creighton and George Washington.  Jake hasn't been stellar in a couple of these games either, but he played very well v. New Mexico and GW.  JJJ isn't getting more minutes because he has yet to earn them when it matters most.

You are trying to build a parallel here with Derrick and Dawson that simply doesn't exist.  Buzz isn't playing Derrick out of loyalty or because he's a veteran.  He's playing him because he is the best option.  Dawson hasn't earned anything.

Completely agree. To think Buzz is not playing Dawson for any reason other than not being ready is just stupid. The reality right now is we are just F##ked at the PG position and that probably will not change until next season. Buzz and the coaching staff are just going to have to figure out a way around the problem. If not, we will most certainly not make the NCAA and perhaps the NIT. That is just the reality of the situation.

[Nevada233]

Completely agree. To think Buzz is not playing Dawson for any reason other than not being ready is just stupid. The reality right now is we are just F##ked at the PG position and that probably will not change until next season. Buzz and the coaching staff are just going to have to figure out a way around the problem. If not, we will most certainly not make the NCAA and perhaps the NIT. That is just the reality of the situation.

Theres nothing that shows "DNP dawson" is gonna play any real minutes this year so im looking past that.

So is Anyone against Jamil taking over primary PG and wilson back him up. That would certainly at least make the defense honest and have to guard him and Jake on the perimeter

Jamil (20-25 min at pg and Derrick 10 min)
Jake
Juan
Deonte (Good deonte not the JR smith my shots the 1st option and last option)
Otule

Starting?? Maybe.

[mu03eng]

Theres nothing that shows "DNP dawson" is gonna play any real minutes this year so im looking past that.

So is Anyone against Jamil taking over primary PG and wilson back him up. That would certainly at least make the defense honest and have to guard him and Jake on the perimeter

Jamil (20-25 min at pg and Derrick 10 min)
Jake
Juan
Deonte (Good deonte not the JR smith my shots the 1st option and last option)
Otule

Starting?? Maybe.

This would be my answer

[MU82]

Theres nothing that shows "DNP dawson" is gonna play any real minutes this year so im looking past that.

So is Anyone against Jamil taking over primary PG and wilson back him up. That would certainly at least make the defense honest and have to guard him and Jake on the perimeter

Jamil (20-25 min at pg and Derrick 10 min)
Jake
Juan
Deonte (Good deonte not the JR smith my shots the 1st option and last option)
Otule

Starting?? Maybe.

It's as interesting a lineup as any. The main problem with it is that unless you're gonna play zone, somebody has to defend the PG. If the opposing PG has any quickness and shot at all, there isn't anybody in that group who has proven capable of defending him.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Theres nothing that shows "DNP dawson" is gonna play any real minutes this year so im looking past that.

So is Anyone against Jamil taking over primary PG and wilson back him up. That would certainly at least make the defense honest and have to guard him and Jake on the perimeter

Jamil (20-25 min at pg and Derrick 10 min)
Jake
Juan
Deonte (Good deonte not the JR smith my shots the 1st option and last option)
Otule

Starting?? Maybe.

This isn't going to solve anything if the team isn't given the green light to start shooting the ball without a paint touch.  Sure, part of the problem is that Derrick isn't a good shooter.  Part of the problem (I think equally as large if not larger) is that the other team knows we're not shooting the ball from the perimeter until we get the ball in the paint.  So without the easing of the "no shot prior to paint touch" rule, defenses are still going to pack it in. 

The only thing that's going to change the defensive strategy against us is if we start showing a willingness to actually shoot the damn ball when we are open.

[Nevada233]

It's as interesting a lineup as any. The main problem with it is that unless you're gonna play zone, somebody has to defend the PG. If the opposing PG has any quickness and shot at all, there isn't anybody in that group who has proven capable of defending him.

It would most certainly have to be a zone defensive unit. Because I thought about what would be better than the 4 on 5 lineup we currently play with.

[forgetful]

This isn't going to solve anything if the team isn't given the green light to start shooting the ball without a paint touch.  Sure, part of the problem is that Derrick isn't a good shooter.  Part of the problem (I think equally as large if not larger) is that the other team knows we're not shooting the ball from the perimeter until we get the ball in the paint.  So without the easing of the "no shot prior to paint touch" rule, defenses are still going to pack it in. 

The only thing that's going to change the defensive strategy against us is if we start showing a willingness to actually shoot the damn ball when we are open.

I agree with this.  The new paint touch rule is both putting us at a disadvantage (defenses adjusting to us) and is messing with the players heads to the point that they are thinking (did we get a paint touch yet?) instead of playing.

[NersEllenson]

I agree with this.  The new paint touch rule is both putting us at a disadvantage (defenses adjusting to us) and is messing with the players heads to the point that they are thinking (did we get a paint touch yet?) instead of playing.

Where was this paint touch rule mentioned?  And do we know if it is an absolute rule, or just a preferred style of play.  Buzz has always said a good perimeter shot is if we have 10 toes squared to the basket...I can't imagine that if Jake Thomas has a wide open 3, he's not supposed to take it if the ball hasn't gone into the paint, or Mayo or JJJ for that matter.  Seems ludicrous.

[brandx]

Theres nothing that shows "DNP dawson" is gonna play any real minutes this year so im looking past that.

So is Anyone against Jamil taking over primary PG and wilson back him up. That would certainly at least make the defense honest and have to guard him and Jake on the perimeter

Jamil (20-25 min at pg and Derrick 10 min)
Jake
Juan
Deonte (Good deonte not the JR smith my shots the 1st option and last option)
Otule

Starting?? Maybe.

Sounds nice, but what happens when we face full court pressure? Does Jamil have the talent/experience to handle it?

[GGGG]

It would most certainly have to be a zone defensive unit. Because I thought about what would be better than the 4 on 5 lineup we currently play with.

Says the guy who has advocated using a player with less offensive ability than Derrick Wilson.

[Nevada233]

Says the guy who has advocated using a player with less offensive ability than Derrick Wilson.

You haven't even seen the kid play anything more than spot duty. How you know where his offensive ability is... I'll wait...

You must be Derrick wilsons Dad. Hey Mr Wilson hows everything been.

[GGGG]

You haven't even seen the kid play anything more than spot duty. How you know where his offensive ability is... I'll wait...

I know what I have seen from both individuals so far.  You are the one who is making assumptions.  Not me.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Says the guy who has advocated using a player with less offensive ability than Derrick Wilson.

It is impossible for anyone to have less offensive ability than Derrick Wilson.

[GGGG]

It is impossible for anyone to have less offensive ability than Derrick Wilson.

Nope.  You are wrong.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=john-dawson&p1=derrick-wilson

[mu03eng]

Nope.  You are wrong.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=john-dawson&p1=derrick-wilson

I hate it when facts get in the way of a cooked up narrative.

[connie]

This isn't going to solve anything if the team isn't given the green light to start shooting the ball without a paint touch.  Sure, part of the problem is that Derrick isn't a good shooter.  Part of the problem (I think equally as large if not larger) is that the other team knows we're not shooting the ball from the perimeter until we get the ball in the paint.  So without the easing of the "no shot prior to paint touch" rule, defenses are still going to pack it in. 

The only thing that's going to change the defensive strategy against us is if we start showing a willingness to actually shoot the damn ball when we are open.

Buzz has been harping about paint touches for six years.  Amazing that all of a sudden this is a cause of our problems.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Nope.  You are wrong.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=john-dawson&p1=derrick-wilson

That doesn't tell me anything about offensive ability between the two. It shows me one has had a lot more playing time and that is all. You should be on Wilson's payroll for all the time you spend defending him 

[PistolPete]

Sounds nice, but what happens when we face full court pressure? Does Jamil have the talent/experience to handle it?

I'm not sure. Does Derrick?

[MerrittsMustache]

That doesn't tell me anything about offensive ability between the two. It shows me one has had a lot more playing time and that is all. You should be on Wilson's payroll for all the time you spend defending him 

Funny. All I keep hearing is that no one needs to defend Derrick.

See what I did there?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

That doesn't tell me anything about offensive ability between the two. It shows me one has had a lot more playing time and that is all. You should be on Wilson's payroll for all the time you spend defending him 

Yea, but by that logic Flood should play, and/or MU should have open tryouts to see if they can find a PG.

Buzz sees the guys everyday. These guys practice FAR MORE than they play in live action. It's not even close. These guys spend hours and hours at the Al before they play for 2 hours at the BC.

Buzz has enough data.

[Nevada233]

That doesn't tell me anything about offensive ability between the two. It shows me one has had a lot more playing time and that is all. You should be on Wilson's payroll for all the time you spend defending him 

+1000 he plays better defense than Wilson

[GGGG]

That doesn't tell me anything about offensive ability between the two. It shows me one has had a lot more playing time and that is all. You should be on Wilson's payroll for all the time you spend defending him 

Then you aren't reading carefully. 

[Nevada233]

Paint Touches article

Is Derrick Wilson Helping or Hurting Marquette??

http://painttouches.com/2013/12/27/derrick-wilson-helping-or-hurting-marquette/

Obviously a more credible source is asking the same questions we been asking all season....
If this article even had to be written thats a clear indication hes not getting the Job done. Period.