For you RPI fans

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't disagree with you, but I don't understand RPI. We won 5 of our last 6 and went up what? 10 spots in the RPI or something? I just don't understand how even winning our last 3 would jump us 30 spots. I know they are better teams than we played in the non-con, but only Nova is above the level of competition we have beaten recently.

Those are all estimates anyway.  Nothing happens in a vacuum and what other teams do also matters. 

[Jay Bee]

Most people don't understand the math and relationships in RPI and for that matter KenPom

That's all for now.

[bilsu]

If you drop all RPI 250+ games, MU would be 11-11 with an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 2. 

To be comparable, you would have to drop the 250+ games from every team. I doubt our SOS would be 2

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

To be comparable, you would have to drop the 250+ games from every team. I doubt our SOS would be 2

Correct, but replace those teams with RPI's in the 175-250 range and SOS would probably be in the teens.

[ChicosBailBonds]

70 going into today's game

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

70 going into today's game

Should get into the mid 50s with a win.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Should get into the mid 50s with a win.

Somewhere around 57 to 60 depending on how games shake out today

[Jay Bee]

Somewhere around 57 to 60 depending on how games shake out today

Agreed; and should be into the 66-68 or so range with a loss.

[g0lden3agle]

Agreed; and should be into the 66-68 or so range with a loss.

Hot damn didn't know you could agree with chicos when it comes to RPI calcs

[ShannonSmith]

Am I reading it right that we are 57 in Kenpom's RPI?

[Jay Bee]

Am I reading it right that we are 57 in Kenpom's RPI?

Yes.

[ShannonSmith]

but cbs has us 70? That's a big difference for the same stat

[mattyv1908]

It's not the same stat.  Kenpom factors their ratings differently including margin of victory.  RPI does not.  Neither is perfect, but RPI is the standard bearer still.

[Jay Bee]

but cbs has us 70? That's a big difference for the same stat

Ooops, didn't even notice you said 'Kenpom's RPI'... KenPom vs. RPI are different things, both with flaws if taken at face value.

RPI's from different sites are different because of errors (i.e., ESPN has their's all f'd up)... but KenPom isn't trying to calculate RPI.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Am I reading it right that we are 57 in Kenpom's RPI?

Ken Pom doesn't do the RPI

[ChicosBailBonds]

Agreed; and should be into the 66-68 or so range with a loss.

Yup, I would say 67 to 69, very close. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

70 as of this morning

[ChicosBailBonds]

80th now after SJU loss

SJU up to 59

[willie warrior]

80th now after SJU loss

SJU up to 59

80? At this point Senator what difference does it make. It could be 180, and would not matter.

[ChicosBailBonds]

80? At this point Senator what difference does it make. It could be 180, and would not matter.

There were actually four teams with better than a 80 RPI last year that did not make the NIT, but played in the CBI or CIT.

Another two teams had an RPI between 81 and 85 that also didn't go...so a total of 6 between 69 and 85 got passed over by the NIT.

I would be surprised if we didn't make the NIT, but if we lose the next game it would not be a total shock either.

[Jay Bee]

There were actually four teams with better than a 80 RPI last year that did not make the NIT, but played in the CBI or CIT.

Another two teams had an RPI between 81 and 85 that also didn't go...so a total of 6 between 69 and 85 got passed over by the NIT.

I would be surprised if we didn't make the NIT, but if we lose the next game it would not be a total shock either.

The other possibility is that MU declines the NIT. There are some coaches really into banners and celebrating anything (including cutting down nets after losses, etc.), but that's not Buzz. I can think of a team with an RPI in the 90's who would cherish the 'opportunity' to play in the NIT and brag about it... not sure we would.

[Coleman]

The other possibility is that MU declines the NIT. There are some coaches really into banners and celebrating anything (including cutting down nets after losses, etc.), but that's not Buzz. I can think of a team with an RPI in the 90's who would cherish the 'opportunity' to play in the NIT and brag about it... not sure we would.

I would be disappointed if MU declined the NIT. It would look very snobbish

[jesmu84]

I would be disappointed if MU declined the NIT. It would look very snobbish

Like when Al declined the NCAA?

[ChicosBailBonds]

The other possibility is that MU declines the NIT. There are some coaches really into banners and celebrating anything (including cutting down nets after losses, etc.), but that's not Buzz. I can think of a team with an RPI in the 90's who would cherish the 'opportunity' to play in the NIT and brag about it... not sure we would.

If you are a young team, you play in it.  Only helps you.  MU won't decline it.  I recall a Kentucky team that played in it last year and a North Carolina team 3 years ago...probably like that team in the 90's....very young, need some reps.  Unfortunately our team isn't young, but we won't be turning it down.

[Coleman]

Like when Al declined the NCAA?

That was very different. This team and the 1970 Warriors have very little in common