For you RPI fans

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Here's why I hate RPI.

Eastern Michigan has a worse record than us, less top 50 wins, less top 100 wins, 2 sub 150 losses and....a better RPI than Marquette.

Da fuq?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here's why I hate RPI.

Eastern Michigan has a worse record than us, less top 50 wins, less top 100 wins, 2 sub 150 losses and....a better RPI than Marquette.

Da fuq?

Actually, MU has a better RPI than Eastern Michigan, but barely (updated through tonight).  Played a nice schedule vs Kentucky, Duke, UMass, Purdue, Green Bay (whom they beat), Syracuse.  Their expected RPI vs top 100 is 4-8, ours is 5-13

[madtownwarrior]

But I thought George Washington winning their games was going fix our RPI.  At least that's what I was led to believe reading all the GW posts on this board.

[LloydMooresLegs]

But I thought George Washington winning their games was going fix our RPI.  At least that's what I was led to believe easing all the GW Potts on this board.

Unfortunately, GW has been losing games.  Hope to fix that tomorrow night at SLU.  We'll have a contingent of 14 MU fans rooting on the Colonials.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Games like today is when our fans should LOVE the RPI, because margin of victory doesn't mean a thing. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

73

[Jay Bee]

Games like today is when our fans should LOVE the RPI, because margin of victory doesn't mean a thing. 

Unfortunately, "SOS" (a misnomer) does and DePaul's record blows.

A road win helps the adjusted win % though.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Unfortunately, "SOS" (a misnomer) does and DePaul's record blows.

A road win helps the adjusted win % though.

Agree.

Just pointing out that it giveth and it taketh away.  LSU, another bubble team, loses with 3 seconds left on the road at Kentucky.  RPI doesn't care...it's a loss.  MU, beats a horrific DePaul team on the road in OT...RPI doesn't care, it's a win.

Today is a day people ripping on the RPI for MU should be happy.   

After watching the first 6 minutes of our game today, I thought we were going to win by 25 points.  DePaul was so bad, so horrific there was no way this was going to be a game. 0 for 11 or 12, just brutal. I think it was like 3 minutes later and the game was tied.  Yikes.

[ChicosBailBonds]

After tonight's games.

75

[ChicosBailBonds]

After G'Town win

73 RPI

[Jay Bee]

After G'Town win

73 RPI

*** estimated RPI
*** after win over Georgetown AND all other games last night

Still think we're in ok shape w/ only an L to Nova, then 1 win in BEast tourney.

[Benny B]

Chicos --- do you have access to or know of any models that would adjust RPI to exclude the RPI 200+ or 150+ teams.

Since the NCAA tournament field typically consists of no more than a couple teams outside the top 100 in RPI (and rarely any 150+ teams), I'm interested in how RPI would look if you took today's "actual RPI", and re-ran the RPI model to include only the games played between teams both in the top 150.

Obviously, you're going to erase a lot of wins for MU, but you're also going to shed a bunch of dead weight on the OWP and OOWP side of the equation.  The downside to this is that you could have a team rise to the top with only one or two good wins paired with a dozen or more bad losses, so it would be just one additional metric.... frankly, I don't see this helping MU, but I am curious as to how an "upper half RPI" would compare to the actual RPI.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Chicos --- do you have access to or know of any models that would adjust RPI to exclude the RPI 200+ or 150+ teams.

Since the NCAA tournament field typically consists of no more than a couple teams outside the top 100 in RPI (and rarely any 150+ teams), I'm interested in how RPI would look if you took today's "actual RPI", and re-ran the RPI model to include only the games played between teams both in the top 150.

Obviously, you're going to erase a lot of wins for MU, but you're also going to shed a bunch of dead weight on the OWP and OOWP side of the equation.  The downside to this is that you could have a team rise to the top with only one or two good wins paired with a dozen or more bad losses, so it would be just one additional metric.... frankly, I don't see this helping MU, but I am curious as to how an "upper half RPI" would compare to the actual RPI.

If you drop all RPI 250+ games, MU would be 11-11 with an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 2. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Not RPI-related, but KenPom had MU 54 and GTOWN 53 before last nights game.

Today, MU is 57 and GTOWN is 54.  Weird. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not RPI-related, but KenPom had MU 54 and GTOWN 53 before last nights game.

Today, MU is 57 and GTOWN is 54.  Weird. 

I suspect because using his system MU should have done better than a 2 point win.  In Sagarin our rating "score" went down slightly as well.  In Sagarin we are 56 rated and G'Town 53.

[Benny B]

If you drop all RPI 250+ games, MU would be 11-11 with an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 2. 

Damn... that's much better than what I could even imagine.  How'd you do that? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Damn... that's much better than what I could even imagine.  How'd you do that? 

RPI Wizard

[Windyplayer]

If you drop all RPI 250+ games, MU would be 11-11 with an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 2. 

Can you send this to the committee? Wow, just wow.

[ATWizJr]

Lessee now;

We have an RPI of 73

No signature win

Do not appear in Lunardi's bracketology or the bracket matrix

Still, many think we have a great shot at making the dance!

Really?  Outside of winning the BE tourney I just don't see it.

[Benny B]

So I ran the RPI Wizard for just MU and got the same result but I want to see what their RPI would be if you dropped the 250+ games for every team.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Lessee now;

We have an RPI of 73

No signature win

Do not appear in Lunardi's bracketology or the bracket matrix

Still, many think we have a great shot at making the dance!

Really?  Outside of winning the BE tourney I just don't see it.

First off, I don't think anyone has said MU has a "great shot" of making the dance.

And, to be fair, nether Lunardi's bracket or Bracket Matrix have been updated since last night. We will certainly appear in the Bracket Matrix before our game Sunday, and I suspect that Lunardi will have MU in his "Next Four Out" in his next bracket, assuming he updates before Sunday.  He had MU in "Four More" out prior to last night's game, and GTOWN in the "First 4 Out".   

[Benny B]

Lessee now;

We have an RPI of 73

No signature win

Do not appear in Lunardi's bracketology or the bracket matrix

Still, many think we have a great shot at making the dance!

Really?  Outside of winning the BE tourney I just don't see it.

Go 2-1, and MU will finish the regular season with an RPI in the mid-50s.  Go 3-0, and finish with an RPI in the upper 40s.  The former is bubble territory, the latter is a "should-be-in."  Then you have a few games in the BET to improve your numbers further.  Beat Creighton or Nova in the BET semis (and lose to the other in the final) and they could end up with an RPI in the 30s... that would all but assure an at-large.

While they still need to win games (the probability for which can be debated), MU has a pretty good shot at the Dance insomuch as it appears that they control their own destiny.

[Coleman]

I agree that MU controls its own destiny but even just 2-1 is a tall order for these remaining three games. We could easily drop all 3. One game at a time though.

I think we need 4 more wins between now and Selection Sunday to get in, including the BET games.

[ChicosBailBonds]

First off, I don't think anyone has said MU has a "great shot" of making the dance.

And, to be fair, nether Lunardi's bracket or Bracket Matrix have been updated since last night. We will certainly appear in the Bracket Matrix before our game Sunday, and I suspect that Lunardi will have MU in his "Next Four Out" in his next bracket, assuming he updates before Sunday.  He had MU in "Four More" out prior to last night's game, and GTOWN in the "First 4 Out".   

I would be surprised if we are in either by Sunday.  Win Sunday, then yes but probably not before.

[source?]

Go 2-1, and MU will finish the regular season with an RPI in the mid-50s.  Go 3-0, and finish with an RPI in the upper 40s.  The former is bubble territory, the latter is a "should-be-in."  Then you have a few games in the BET to improve your numbers further.  Beat Creighton or Nova in the BET semis (and lose to the other in the final) and they could end up with an RPI in the 30s... that would all but assure an at-large.

While they still need to win games (the probability for which can be debated), MU has a pretty good shot at the Dance insomuch as it appears that they control their own destiny.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't understand RPI. We won 5 of our last 6 and went up what? 10 spots in the RPI or something? I just don't understand how even winning our last 3 would jump us 30 spots. I know they are better teams than we played in the non-con, but only Nova is above the level of competition we have beaten recently.