Steve Taylor, Jr.

[GooooMarquette]

I'm pretty sure Marquette's doctor is going to say he is incapacitated. 

My thoughts exactly.  I'd bet the docs get quite a bit of latitude in making medical decisions like that. 

I'd also bet that there are plenty of medical redshirts who would clearly be "incapacitated" for most of the season, but then might (arguably) be ready to play by the last few games.  If the team decides that it would not want to waste a season of eligibility on those last few games, I'd bet the team docs successfully certify them as "incapacitated" every time.

[MU82]

I'm pretty sure Marquette's doctor is going to say he is incapacitated. 

I don't doubt this could be the case. I admit to not knowing how deeply the NCAA looks into everything before permitting a redshirt. I just think if they want to be strict, they can simply say, "Look, this guy was at the freakin' scorer's table and ready to come into a game in December. You were going to play him. How incapacitated could he have been?" If we want to redshirt him, I hope that doesn't hurt Marquette's case.

[willie warrior]

Duane Wilson would not be medically redshirted.  He would simply be redshirted.

OK--when will we know what is going on with Du. Wilson? Buzz says he is hurting. The Dr. says he is medically clear, according to Buzz. What are Buzz's plans? Does the kid want to play? Why is he suiting up? Why do others not suit up? What is the prognosis? What is going on? All we are told by Mr. Communication/Transparency is he is hurt. Let the kid talk if Buzz does not want to.

[MU82]

OK--when will we know what is going on with Du. Wilson? Buzz says he is hurting. The Dr. says he is medically clear, according to Buzz. What are Buzz's plans? Does the kid want to play? Why is he suiting up? Why do others not suit up? What is the prognosis? What is going on? All we are told by Mr. Communication/Transparency is he is hurt. Let the kid talk if Buzz does not want to.

Let's say you work for Exxon-Mobil or Starbucks or any other Fortune 500 company. You are a junior executive or just a "regular working stiff." Your CEO speaks for the company, says only what he believes the public needs to know and tells you to keep your yap shut.

Buzz is the CEO of Marquette basketball. If he says, "Jump," the only acceptable response by the players is, "How high?" It is not, "I might or might not want to jump, so let me go to the media and give my side."

[GGGG]

I don't doubt this could be the case. I admit to not knowing how deeply the NCAA looks into everything before permitting a redshirt. I just think if they want to be strict, they can simply say, "Look, this guy was at the freakin' scorer's table and ready to come into a game in December. You were going to play him. How incapacitated could he have been?" If we want to redshirt him, I hope that doesn't hurt Marquette's case.

I really doubt the NCAA will ever know he was at the scorer's table for the IUPUI game.

[MU82]

I really doubt the NCAA will ever know he was at the scorer's table for the IUPUI game.

You're probably right. I'm not gonna tell them, and, hard as it is to believe, they probably don't read Scoop when doing their research.

[willie warrior]

Let's say you work for Exxon-Mobil or Starbucks or any other Fortune 500 company. You are a junior executive or just a "regular working stiff." Your CEO speaks for the company, says only what he believes the public needs to know and tells you to keep your yap shut.

Buzz is the CEO of Marquette basketball. If he says, "Jump," the only acceptable response by the players is, "How high?" It is not, "I might or might not want to jump, so let me go to the media and give my side."

Wrongo. The Companies you mentioned are just that, Companies--and employees work there  can be told to shut their yap--although many companies do not do that--they allow their employees to express their opinions. Buzz may be the "CEO" of the Basketball team--but it is that a basketball team--not a private company. Are you afraid that the kid can say something that might be detrimental to the beloved CEO? My point is that Buzz is close mouthed about this which leads to a lot of speculation, which is a mistake--unless he is afraid that he may say something further that would lead to other questions. Obviously he must have a plan here because he is the CEO/Spokesperson/Team AD/Controller/PR rep/Team Dr./Rule Enforcer/Disciplinarian and Trustee. So Buzz, tell us more than he is hurt.

[GGGG]

willie, I don't see a great deal of people (outside of yourself) who are clamoring to know about Duane's status, and I hardly have seen any "speculation."  (About what people would speculate I don't know.)

He obviously was hurt.  He has apparently been cleared.  They are probably sorting out whether it is worthwhile to give him minutes this year or have him redshirt.  What is there to speculate about?

[GooooMarquette]

willie, I don't see a great deal of people (outside of yourself) who are clamoring to know about Duane's status, and I hardly have seen any "speculation."  (About what people would speculate I don't know.)

Exactly.  Lots of people are curious about Duane, but willie is the only person I am aware of who seems to think Buzz owes him a status update.

[Lennys Tap]

He got hurt. He was cleared. Then he got sick. So he has had almost no full speed practice in 6 weeks. And he's a freshman, so he's really way behind. Whether and how much he can/will contribute this year is to be determined. Until it is, what else is there to say?

[tower912]

Steve and Duane are in similar situations.    Steve's recovery from his surgery is taking longer than expected.   The muscles in his leg atrophied.  IIRC he was only cleared for full contact just a few days before MU's first game.    Well, clearly, after going through the day to day grind, he is struggling.   IMO, Buzz should dress him for every game, allow him to rehab and practice, but not play him unless he is needed. (an injury to another big).     Duane is a freshman. He had a stress fracture in his hip.   He has missed several weeks of practice and conditioning.   He is behind.    He may not catch up this season.    If he, his family, his coach, choose to have him sit out the entire season, seeing that as the best decision for him, so be it.   It is his leg, his life.    Buzz doesn't owe anybody on this board spit. 

[Spotcheck Billy]

couldn't Taylor also be red-shirted? (not just a medical redshirt)

[GOO]

Steve and Duane are in similar situations.    Steve's recovery from his surgery is taking longer than expected.   The muscles in his leg atrophied.  IIRC he was only cleared for full contact just a few days before MU's first game.    Well, clearly, after going through the day to day grind, he is struggling.   IMO, Buzz should dress him for every game, allow him to rehab and practice, but not play him unless he is needed. (an injury to another big).     Duane is a freshman. He had a stress fracture in his hip.   He has missed several weeks of practice and conditioning.   He is behind.    He may not catch up this season.    If he, his family, his coach, choose to have him sit out the entire season, seeing that as the best decision for him, so be it.   It is his leg, his life.    Buzz doesn't owe anybody on this board spit. 

Exactly.  The idea that fans are entitled to know the medical history or condition of a college basketball player is soooo wrong, we shouldn't even have to discuss it. 

[GGGG]

couldn't Taylor also be red-shirted? (not just a medical redshirt)

No because he has already played this year.

[Lennys Tap]

Steve and Duane are in similar situations.    Steve's recovery from his surgery is taking longer than expected.   The muscles in his leg atrophied.  IIRC he was only cleared for full contact just a few days before MU's first game.    Well, clearly, after going through the day to day grind, he is struggling.   IMO, Buzz should dress him for every game, allow him to rehab and practice, but not play him unless he is needed. (an injury to another big).     Duane is a freshman. He had a stress fracture in his hip.   He has missed several weeks of practice and conditioning.   He is behind.    He may not catch up this season.    If he, his family, his coach, choose to have him sit out the entire season, seeing that as the best decision for him, so be it.   It is his leg, his life.    Buzz doesn't owe anybody on this board spit. 

I thought Steve looked great at MU Madness. Thought he pretty much dominated McKay, so I wasn't surprised (or particularly crestfallen) when Jameel announced his transfer shortly thereafter. My guess is he's had another setback that goes deeper than muscle atrophy.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

clearly, he tweaked the muscle in his leg going to the scorer's table.  Chew noticed it and had buzz pull him back to the bench.

[4everwarriors]

Pulled groin, a'ina?

[MU82]

Wrongo. The Companies you mentioned are just that, Companies--and employees work there  can be told to shut their yap--although many companies do not do that--they allow their employees to express their opinions. Buzz may be the "CEO" of the Basketball team--but it is that a basketball team--not a private company. Are you afraid that the kid can say something that might be detrimental to the beloved CEO? My point is that Buzz is close mouthed about this which leads to a lot of speculation, which is a mistake--unless he is afraid that he may say something further that would lead to other questions. Obviously he must have a plan here because he is the CEO/Spokesperson/Team AD/Controller/PR rep/Team Dr./Rule Enforcer/Disciplinarian and Trustee. So Buzz, tell us more than he is hurt.

I'm not afraid. I'm simply not obsessed. It's basketball.

Next subject.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Exactly.  Lots of people are curious about Duane, but willie is the only person I am aware of who seems to think Buzz owes him a status update.

I would like an update on Duane as well. The status quo at PG just isn't doing it for me at the moment 

[GooooMarquette]

clearly, he tweaked the muscle in his leg going to the scorer's table.  Chew noticed it and had buzz pull him back to the bench.

Kinda like how JT Tiller injured his wrist walking toward the free throw line....

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

OK--when will we know what is going on with Du. Wilson? Buzz says he is hurting. The Dr. says he is medically clear, according to Buzz. What are Buzz's plans? Does the kid want to play? Why is he suiting up? Why do others not suit up? What is the prognosis? What is going on? All we are told by Mr. Communication/Transparency is he is hurt. Let the kid talk if Buzz does not want to.

You thought maybe he hasn't said anything because there is nothing more to say? He's been cleared to play but still isn't 100%. What else is there to know?

[willie warrior]

You thought maybe he hasn't said anything because there is nothing more to say? He's been cleared to play but still isn't 100%. What else is there to know?

Reading is fundamental. Plenty of questions still unanswered.

[The Equalizer]

My thoughts exactly.  I'd bet the docs get quite a bit of latitude in making medical decisions like that. 

I'd also bet that there are plenty of medical redshirts who would clearly be "incapacitated" for most of the season, but then might (arguably) be ready to play by the last few games.  If the team decides that it would not want to waste a season of eligibility on those last few games, I'd bet the team docs successfully certify them as "incapacitated" every time.

You're forgetting one key piece of information: Taylor has ALREADY been cleared, not with a few games left, but 23 games left  Buzz sent him to check in. There IS NO season ending, incapacitating injury right now.  [Either that, or there IS such an injury and our medical staff are incompetents for missing it].

This isn't a 50/50 judgement call by the doctor.  This was (assuming he did his job) full evaluation, with xrays and imagaing and discussions with the patient--and after all that the doctor said Taylor was okay to put into a game.

Its almost frightening how some here casaully suggest that the same doctor(s) who cleared him will be able to come up with some retroactive diagnosis of "season ending injury--not cleared to play" that was missed.

Let's consider the doctor, who will have to go in on this deception by admitting his own incompetence: "I misdiagnored Taylor when I cleared him." 

What's his explanation to the medical review board and other patients?  "Hey, guys, don't sweat this--I just falsified that particular report. That patient was never really incapacitated. I just said he was so his basketball team could extend his eligibility. Trust me--I don't miss real injuries." 

I mean, come on.  At some point, do you think Marquette should play by the rules or not? 

It sure sounds like a bunch of people here are just fine if we cheat to give Taylor an extra year of eligibility in th 2017 season. 

[willie warrior]

I'm not afraid. I'm simply not obsessed. It's basketball.

Next subject.

Yeah it's basketball and the Coach/CEO should clarify what the plans are or what the outlook is. Guess there is no plan.

[GGGG]

You're forgetting one key piece of information: Taylor has ALREADY been cleared, not with a few games left, but 23 games left  Buzz sent him to check in. There IS NO season ending, incapacitating injury right now.  [Either that, or there IS such an injury and our medical staff are incompetents for missing it].

This isn't a 50/50 judgement call by the doctor.  This was (assuming he did his job) full evaluation, with xrays and imagaing and discussions with the patient--and after all that the doctor said Taylor was okay to put into a game.

Its almost frightening how some here casaully suggest that the same doctor(s) who cleared him will be able to come up with some retroactive diagnosis of "season ending injury--not cleared to play" that was missed.

Let's consider the doctor, who will have to go in on this deception by admitting his own incompetence: "I misdiagnored Taylor when I cleared him." 

What's his explanation to the medical review board and other patients?  "Hey, guys, don't sweat this--I just falsified that particular report. That patient was never really incapacitated. I just said he was so his basketball team could extend his eligibility. Trust me--I don't miss real injuries." 

I mean, come on.  At some point, do you think Marquette should play by the rules or not? 

It sure sounds like a bunch of people here are just fine if we cheat to give Taylor an extra year of eligibility in th 2017 season. 

What the hell?

He had knee surgery.  He was cleared.  He apparently had a set back and is having trouble.  That doesn't mean he was misdiagnosed.  It doesn't mean the doctor is incompetent.  

Patients don't heel on a straight line.  They can have set backs.  I had knee surgery about three years ago.  Everything was fine six months later.  Weeks went by with no pain at all.  I went on a hike and the next day my knee swelled up and I had to ice it down and let it rest for awhile.

Why is it so hard to believe this is the case?  According to some he looked real good in the scrimmage.  He looked good to me the first couple of games.  The last couple of games he played he looked awful.  Is Taylor dogging it to get another year?