May I suggest a new starting 5?

[brewcity77]

No one was hitting shots today. I'm more disappointed by the guys that are expected to score and didn't than the ones that aren't expected to score and at least attempted shots.

[4everwarriors]

Any recruits brought in for the game today?

[brewcity77]

Any recruits brought in for the game today?

Charles Matthews was scheduled to be here.

[netty24]

Netty...if u saw any of the Grambling game, u would know why he's not playing. JJJ will be a good player but his off-the-ball D has a long ways to go!

I understand that, but our defense was fine today, and especially considering the fact that we were playing a zone a significant amount of time, there is no reason he could not have come in there and played. He is longer and more athletic than Jake so he would have been better there defensively. Also, he would give us much more on offense than Jake, who either takes one ineffective dribble and then reverses the ball or clanks a three.

[DavidBoone2inchesTaller]

I trust who Buzz starts

No, MURob is right. We can question Buzz. We invest time in watching the team, tickets, etc. Buzz did not have his team ready to play and he did not coach a good game. It happens to the best. Al McGuire, Tex Winter, Hank Raymonds all coach poor games and their careers. I love Buzz and will support him at MU always. But this was not his best day....thank goodness....because otherwise I'd be using Bob Dukiet as a coach for past comparison and my comments would not be kind!

[tower912]

In my opinion....
Buzz hasn't installed his offense yet.   Tough for freshmen to just go out there and ball against tOSU without the offense installed.    That is why he had JWilson at the point when DeWilson needed a rest in the second half.   Because he was the only other one who fully understood the offense.  And possibly to get Jamil to be aggressive.    Fail.
    If the shots that any reasonable person considered 'good' shots had fallen for MU today, then DeWilson looks a helluva lot better and we aren't having this discussion.  Again, IMO, he was holding his own in the first half.   Then he got lit up on defense early in the second half and his confidence went down even more.   

Time to start Mayo.   Only change.   

[Nevada233]

If a recruit came today..... And seen the minutes the freshmen played in a big game. They would stay Faaaaaaaar away from Marquette. Disgraceful

[GGGG]

How do you not install an offense by now?

[DavidBoone2inchesTaller]

How do you not install an offense by now?

Excellent post.

[Markusquette]

If a recruit came today..... And seen the minutes the freshmen played in a big game. They would stay Faaaaaaaar away from Marquette. Disgraceful

Umm, you sort of answered the implied question in your post.  It was a big game.  And the third one in the long season.  I don't find it disgraceful by any means.  There's no telling whether they would have helped or hindered.  While I am a proponent of giving them more burn in a big game like this, I don't think it's out of line either.  Now we know that quite a few starters didn't step up for the challenge it may open the door for more frosh playing time.

[willie warrior]

I know it is only a few games, but, this game was telling of a story that I just dont see changing for the better unless we make some immediate changes:

PG:  Dawson (and if Duane gets healthy and beats him out, fine).   Derrick is a solid back up and good spot defender with his strong hands and body...but he is not a D1 starting PG who will get the job done, period.
SG:  Mayo, backed up with good minutes from JJJ.    Mayo missed a lot of shots today and played out of control (probably from desperation), but he can be solid.   I would spot him with JJJ and if he really is so talented, get him the minutes to develop and contribute.   Jake, Im not going to bash a young man who is working his arse off, but, you need spot minutes at best.
F:  Juan...just like last year...great energy and he brings it all the time...let Jamil Wilson come off the bench with significant minutes again...I may have been most disappointed in his game today.
F:  Steve Taylor Jr.    The dude can just board!  He is usually in a great spot on the floor....why did he not play more in the second half?  
C:  Otule followed by Gardner.

First off the bench...Deonte Burton, JJJ, Gardner.....limit the rotation to the above and we should have a much better season as well as have the younger guys mixed in to be primed for March.

Buzz was either trying to send a message today or is using it to justify major lineup changes....or, he was just stubborn.

Glad this is November only....lots of season left to develop

No wat Juan starts at Forward. Gardner needs to be in there a lot. The front line should be Otule, Ox and Taylor. Then use Juan and Wilson as backups along with Burton.

[willie warrior]

Any recruits brought in for the game today?

I sure as hell hope not. They would be totally embarrassed.

[willie warrior]

In my opinion....
Buzz hasn't installed his offense yet.   Tough for freshmen to just go out there and ball against tOSU without the offense installed.    That is why he had JWilson at the point when DeWilson needed a rest in the second half.   Because he was the only other one who fully understood the offense.  And possibly to get Jamil to be aggressive.    Fail.
    If the shots that any reasonable person considered 'good' shots had fallen for MU today, then DeWilson looks a helluva lot better and we aren't having this discussion.  Again, IMO, he was holding his own in the first half.   Then he got lit up on defense early in the second half and his confidence went down even more.   

Time to start Mayo.   Only change.   

mayo starting after that abysmal performance?

[79Warrior]

If I was JJJ i would be pretty furious/confused at this point. Your coach raves about you the entire offseason, as well as your teammates, you play well/show some flashes in the first two games, then sit on the bench the entire game behind two guys who are way below your skill level.

Perhaps he had a crap## week of practice and Buzz was paying him back. Who knows but it was something.

[lab_warrior]

If a recruit came today..... And seen the minutes the freshmen played in a big game. They would stay Faaaaaaaar away from Marquette. Disgraceful

I sure as hell hope not. They would be totally embarrassed.

Yeah, holy s***! we were totally unable to recruit ANY good
players after embarrassing non-conference losses to Vanderbilt,
@Florida, Butler, and @UWGB the past few seasons. 

Calm down. 

[GGGG]

Yeah, holy s***! we were totally unable to recruit ANY good
players after embarrassing non-conference losses to Vanderbilt,
@Florida, Butler, and @UWGB the past few seasons. 

Calm down. 

I've been waiting all afternoon for you to show up.

[tower912]

How do you not install an offense by now?

Buzz always installs it late, always spends the first few weeks teaching defense.    The defensive rotations early were very good.   And, as bad as it was, tOSU was held in the 50's. 

[GGGG]

Buzz always installs it late, always spends the first few weeks teaching defense.    The defensive rotations early were very good.   And, as bad as it was, tOSU was held in the 50's. 

Yeah I know.  I remember Norfolk State in the Paradise Jam a couple years ago. 

[tower912]

I do, too.   Look, MU always seems to have an early season clunker.   Dayton.  Norfolk.   UWGB AND Florida.   The teams get better.   To have some now suggest that all Buzz is doing is admiring his contract is.....well, in character, but still totally deranged. 

[Nevada233]

Umm, you sort of answered the implied question in your post.  It was a big game.  And the third one in the long season.  I don't find it disgraceful by any means.  There's no telling whether they would have helped or hindered.  While I am a proponent of giving them more burn in a big game like this, I don't think it's out of line either.  Now we know that quite a few starters didn't step up for the challenge it may open the door for more frosh playing time.

Indeed.... what about steve taylor Jr... he only got 16 min... and grabbed 9 boards in that time... why not let him play..

[tower912]

mayo starting after that abysmal performance?

He was the only one attacking.   Snakebit.   Out of control.   But at least he wasn't being passive. 

[Markusquette]

Indeed.... what about steve taylor Jr... he only got 16 min... and grabbed 9 boards in that time... why not let him play..

Agreed.  I outlined in a topic earlier that Steve should get more looks on offense too.  He's got a good jumper.  Wouldn't mind seeing a few free throw line jumpers from Steve this game.

[tower912]

STjr hasn't hit a jumper yet this year.   Still revovering from his knee surgery?   It is clear that he should be starting and he is.   What is less clear is whether or not he can play 30 or hit a jumper yet. 

[willie warrior]

He was the only one attacking.   Snakebit.   Out of control.   But at least he wasn't being passive. 

Yeah you are right-he was aggressive on his 3 for 16 shooting and 5 TO's.

[Nevada233]

He was the only one attacking.   Snakebit.   Out of control.   But at least he wasn't being passive.  

Oh god... Todd Mayo 3 for 15.... sheesh... a bad combo of Kobe Bryants ego mixed with Jr Smiths shot selection....