Bom chica bom bom before, after MU games..

[mu_hilltopper]

http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2013/11/14/will-city-smooth-the-way-for-silk/

A week after the city denied it a license to open at 720 N. Old World Third Street, owners of Silk Exotic Gentlemen's Club have a new location in mind — a city-owned building that has been home to a series of unsuccessful bars, most recently Centercourt Pub and Grille (across from the Bradley Center.)

The retail space is at 1118 N. 4th St., in the first floor of a city-owned parking garage with a street address of 324 W. Highland Ave.

A Class "B" Tavern application was submitted to the City Clerk's License Division on Wednesday, November 13th by Downtown Silk MKE LLC.

A supplemental application asks for permission to host "Adult Entertainment / Strippers / Erotic Dance," "Patron Contests," "Dance by Performers," "Patrons Dancing" and 5 amusement machines.

The club did not ask for permission for "Poetry Readings," "Karaoke," or "Wrestling." This is to be a classy joint.

The former operators of Centercourt stiffed the landlord (you) for approximately $200,000 in rent for the sports bar, leading Alderman Bob Bauman to sponsor successful legislation mandating semi-annual reports to the council on the status of all leases held on city buildings.

Center Court 1118 LLC opened the Center Court Pub & Grille in December 2009. It was already in arrears to the city by autumn, 2010. Total payments to the city were only $36,250, about one-fifth of what was due, according to a newsletter from the alderman.

The proposed location is across the street from the BMO Harris Bradley Center property, facing a featureless wall that obscures a parking lot. It is deadsville, as far as street life is concerned, and the only residents in sight are located high above the fray in the Moderne Building. [Neighborhood opposition was cited as a factor in the denial of the license at 720 N. Old World Third St. on November 8th.]

This proposed site is a tax-exempt structure that sits on land valued at $734,000. The building itself is valued at $200,000 by the city assessor.

The application also comes with a court decision favoring the club. The city may be placed in a difficult position if it, as a potential landlord of a vacant building, would refuse to accept the application of a qualified business operating legally and within existing zoning regulations.

[A Service Request was made to the City noting: "New application for tavern license. Please check for 300' rule." The rule sets restrictions on the proximity of alcohol beverage establishments from certain other public uses.]

The matter has been sent to the Licenses Committee, which has yet to place it on its agenda. A hearing date in early January, 2014, would seem most likely.

[4everwarriors]

Might be a great choice when the buy games are a blowout at halftime, hey?

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I'm not familiar with Centercourt; was that ever Turner's?

[The Process]

I'm not familiar with Centercourt; was that ever Turner's?

No.  Turner's is across the street from the BC; Centercourt was farther North on 4th.

[LloydMooresLegs]

It will never replace Art's Performing Center.

[mu_hilltopper]

I think we tried to make a list of all the failed businesses in that location.

The earliest I can remember was Ciati's .. Legends .. GameTime .. CenterCourt .. Silk!

Although Silk will be a huge success, there for decades.

[🏀]

Bring it on.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

"Hey! Hey! Hey! - 2 for 1, next 5 minutes!"

[NavinRJohnson]

No brainier, except of course for the brain dead City politicians, who seem to prefer empty buildings to businesses that actually generate money. Unlike major cities everywhere, DT Milwaukee is apparently thriving too much, and too good for he likes of casinos and genlemen's clubs. Is it ideal, no? Is it infinitely better than nothing? Yes (says the guy that almost assuredly wold never o there).

[GGGG]

Actually it isn't a no brainer and the city has a good reason to be wary.  Unless they are super high end, strip clubs don't add a great deal of economic value, and in fact may harm such value in the long run.  Most of the time, such clubs don't spur anything as more "mainstream" businesses don't really want to be located near them.  That is why you usually see them in "over the hill" type neighborhoods.

So would it bring a short term boost for the city?  Yep.  But are they a good long term bet?  Very likely not.

Now the casino on the other hand should have been put in the Riverwest neighborhood.

[Blackhat]

I've taken matters into my own hands...heads up Wells!

[Eldon]

Actually it isn't a no brainer and the city has a good reason to be wary.  Unless they are super high end, strip clubs don't add a great deal of economic value, and in fact may harm such value in the long run.  Most of the time, such clubs don't spur anything as more "mainstream" businesses don't really want to be located near them.  That is why you usually see them in "over the hill" type neighborhoods.

So would it bring a short term boost for the city?  Yep.  But are they a good long term bet?  Very likely not.

Now the casino on the other hand should have been put in the Riverwest neighborhood.

And Miller Park should have been put downtown.

[martyconlonontherun]

Actually it isn't a no brainer and the city has a good reason to be wary.  Unless they are super high end, strip clubs don't add a great deal of economic value, and in fact may harm such value in the long run.  Most of the time, such clubs don't spur anything as more "mainstream" businesses don't really want to be located near them.  That is why you usually see them in "over the hill" type neighborhoods.

So would it bring a short term boost for the city?  Yep.  But are they a good long term bet?  Very likely not.

Now the casino on the other hand should have been put in the Riverwest neighborhood.

This location would be in a parking structure and with not a ton surrounding it besides a stadium. Also, does Arts even have any kind of effect on the area and this place will be a like nicer than arts. It's better than the city losing another quarter million on lease fees.

[mu_hilltopper]

Also, does Arts even have any kind of effect on the area and this place will be a like nicer than arts.

That's a great rebuttal.  Arts has been a complete crap-hole dive, and within a one block radius there are ~20 thriving bars and restaurants that don't seem too negatively affected over Art's 25+ year run.

What's the argument against that?  "but a high-class place would attract a bad element!" ...??? 

[MUfan12]

All a part of Kohl's master plan to attract free agents to the Bucks...

[BrewCity83]

All a part of Kohl's master plan to attract free agents to the Bucks...

LOL, is this like a 25-year plan?

[mu03eng]

That's a great rebuttal.  Arts has been a complete crap-hole dive, and within a one block radius there are ~20 thriving bars and restaurants that don't seem too negatively affected over Art's 25+ year run.

What's the argument against that?  "but a high-class place would attract a bad element!" ...??? 

How many people actually know Art's is there or what it is?  I don't think you can compare the two because Art's doesn't/wouldn't get have the media attention that a establishment would.

I see both sides, I think it makes economic sense to do it, but that location has a ton of family traffic and would be jarring.  Having said that the place would make a ridiculous amount of money so it makes too much sense.  They would just have to be very very limiting in their external display.

[BrewCity83]

How many people actually know Art's is there or what it is?  I don't think you can compare the two because Art's doesn't/wouldn't get have the media attention that a establishment would.

I see both sides, I think it makes economic sense to do it, but that location has a ton of family traffic and would be jarring.  Having said that the place would make a ridiculous amount of money so it makes too much sense.  They would just have to be very very limiting in their external display.

So you're saying it shouldn't be like a Bourbon Street joint?

[mu_hilltopper]

How many people actually know Art's is there or what it is?  I don't think you can compare the two because Art's doesn't/wouldn't get have the media attention that a establishment would.

I see both sides, I think it makes economic sense to do it, but that location has a ton of family traffic and would be jarring. They would just have to be very very limiting in their external display.

I imagine other locales having more brazen displays, but one would imagine most gentlemen's clubs have understated exteriors.

I don't think media attention is a factor beyond the grand opening.  There's this cool thing called google all the kids use these days, and I'll bet "milwaukee titty bar" brings up Art's* .. if you're looking for that sort of thing, it's not like Art's is unfindable.  (* Not gonna verify, in case the NSA is reporting my searches to my wife.)

Strip joints .. don't we all know where they are?  I mean, if you had to list 5 of something, like .. music shops .. most people would struggle to list one or two.  Nudie bars .. people (men) remember where those are.

[mu03eng]

I imagine other locales having more brazen displays, but one would imagine most gentlemen's clubs have understated exteriors.

I don't think media attention is a factor beyond the grand opening.  There's this cool thing called google all the kids use these days, and I'll bet "milwaukee titty bar" brings up Art's* .. if you're looking for that sort of thing, it's not like Art's is unfindable.  (* Not gonna verify, in case the NSA is reporting my searches to my wife.)

Strip joints .. don't we all know where they are?  I mean, if you had to list 5 of something, like .. music shops .. most people would struggle to list one or two.  Nudie bars .. people (men) remember where those are.

Does your wife know about Art's or can she name 5 strip joints in Milwaukee?  I'm thinking not, but I'm thinking she would know that one is there next to the BC.  Broad sweeping generalization alert, but women(especially mothers) are much more likely to care and I'm willing to bet they have a fair amount of influence on the purchases at venues like the BC.  I'm all for this going in, but I do think there is a definite hurdle to overcome from a public perception.

[🏀]

I imagine other locales having more brazen displays, but one would imagine most gentlemen's clubs have understated exteriors.

I don't think media attention is a factor beyond the grand opening.  There's this cool thing called google all the kids use these days, and I'll bet "milwaukee titty bar" brings up Art's* .. if you're looking for that sort of thing, it's not like Art's is unfindable.  (* Not gonna verify, in case the NSA is reporting my searches to my wife.)

Strip joints .. don't we all know where they are?  I mean, if you had to list 5 of something, like .. music shops .. most people would struggle to list one or two.  Nudie bars .. people (men) remember where those are.

www.tuscl.net ?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Some market research attached...I would imagine that a club by the BC would be good for conventions...with the Wisconsin Center nearby.

http://www.onmilwaukee.com/bars/articles/stripclubguide.html

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Ballplayers could walk over after games with the bags of money they usually bring to these places. Thus reducing the risk of a DUI.

[mu_hilltopper]

Does your wife know about Art's or can she name 5 strip joints in Milwaukee?

I just asked .. she named 4.  With some prodding, she knew where 2 more were, just not the names.  Then I reminded her of Hey Hey Ricky's on State and she said .. quote "Oh, yeah, I used to work there."  

As if.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I just asked .. she named 4.  With some prodding, she knew where 2 more were, just not the names.  Then I reminded her of Hey Hey Ricky's on State and she said .. quote "Oh, yeah, I used to work there."  

As if.

Get a sitter and take the old lady out for a night in sniffers row.  Make it rain!!