Say goodbye to Mr. McKay

[Spotcheck Billy]

Cows sleep laying down. Again, lamest myth ever

[Freeport Warrior]

OK FreeportWarrior, then why would he say Iowa St. was a better option for McKay than staying at MU?

McKay wanted out first because of perceived playing time and he didn't want to play the 5. I think both would have worked themselves out, but kids today want the rewards before putting in the hard work, and as we know, Buzz is all about putting in the work. Another thing I'm hearing is that McKay knew/thought that Taylor, Jr. was going to get his minutes regardless of his play because of his ties with Mac Irvin Fire/Simeon. There is/was an understanding that those IL coaches expect Taylor to play, and if he doesn't, don't expect to them to ever send players MU's way. No one will ever admit it, but it's the subtle underbelly of high-level AAU ball. It reminded me of the Tyshawn Taylor "pressure" Hurley applied to MU to let TT out of his LOI -- let him out or you will never get another one of my players. Certainly unprovable, but with both kids playing well and all things being equal, it would be easy to lean to Taylor to keep everyone happy. I'm not saying this is Buzz's MO, I'm saying that a young kid, hearing these things and thinking he's busting it in practice and Taylor is getting the reps/favortism could have spooked him into thinking he would never get a fair shake. Perception or reality, we will never know.

So, in answer to your question -- McKay wanted out because of the perceived situation regardless of where he would transfer to. Iowa State had been recruiting him hard for years and he was familiar with them, so it was an easy move.

Then why didn't McKay go to Washington?  Afterall, that is where Otzelberger is coaching now.

Good question. I don't know scholarship info, roster, fit, or desire. I'll post if I hear.

[GGGG]

I think McKay was worried about minutes...in fact I have heard as such.  But I don't think that he was going to lose minutes to Taylor because of Mac Irvin and Simeon.  I think those minutes would have been well earned on the floor.  In seeing how Buzz does things, I would be shocked beyond belief if that were the case.

[humanlung]

Man up and earn it.  Let your play leave no room for discussion or debate about minutes.  That's how its' done.

If you can't do that, good luck to you wherever you end up.

[wardle2wade]

McKay wanted out first because of perceived playing time and he didn't want to play the 5. I think both would have worked themselves out, but kids today want the rewards before putting in the hard work, and as we know, Buzz is all about putting in the work. Another thing I'm hearing is that McKay knew/thought that Taylor, Jr. was going to get his minutes regardless of his play because of his ties with Mac Irvin Fire/Simeon. There is/was an understanding that those IL coaches expect Taylor to play, and if he doesn't, don't expect to them to ever send players MU's way. No one will ever admit it, but it's the subtle underbelly of high-level AAU ball. It reminded me of the Tyshawn Taylor "pressure" Hurley applied to MU to let TT out of his LOI -- let him out or you will never get another one of my players. Certainly unprovable, but with both kids playing well and all things being equal, it would be easy to lean to Taylor to keep everyone happy. I'm not saying this is Buzz's MO, I'm saying that a young kid, hearing these things and thinking he's busting it in practice and Taylor is getting the reps/favortism could have spooked him into thinking he would never get a fair shake. Perception or reality, we will never know.

So, in answer to your question -- McKay wanted out because of the perceived situation regardless of where he would transfer to. Iowa State had been recruiting him hard for years and he was familiar with them, so it was an easy move.
Good question. I don't know scholarship info, roster, fit, or desire. I'll post if I hear.

Excellent post and appreciate the perspective.

[Freeport Warrior]

I don't think that he was going to lose minutes to Taylor because of Mac Irvin and Simeon.  I think those minutes would have been well earned on the floor.

I'm not saying McKay was actually going to lose minutes to Taylor because of Mac Irvin and Simeon. I'm saying McKay thought he would. Definitely Buzz rewards hard work and results, but I heard that McKay didn't think he was ever going to get a fair shake because Taylor was "his guy" (true or not) -- that is why he left. While it may or may not be in play here, I'm not naive enough to think that there is zero pressure to play kids based on outside forces. And I'm not talking about playing a kid that is substantially less talented or productive just because of where he came from. I'm talking about situations where you could never second guess a decision -- a situation where playing either kid makes sense. That is the real world.

[TheTulsaWarrior]

McKay and Company's perception and reality don't match.  Buzz's track record proves that.  Marquette is a national player on the recruiting front.  Buzz's approach is reflected strongly in his religious/faith approach to life.  He has refused to play games on the recruiting front and walked away from highly rated players and their follows who would bend the rules.    

[GGGG]

I'm not saying McKay was actually going to lose minutes to Taylor because of Mac Irvin and Simeon. I'm saying McKay thought he would. Definitely Buzz rewards hard work and results, but I heard that McKay didn't think he was ever going to get a fair shake because Taylor was "his guy" (true or not) -- that is why he left. While it may or may not be in play here, I'm not naive enough to think that there is zero pressure to play kids based on outside forces. And I'm not talking about playing a kid that is substantially less talented or productive just because of where he came from. I'm talking about situations where you could never second guess a decision -- a situation where playing either kid makes sense. That is the real world.

OK thanks for your clarification. 

[MUFC9295]

Man up and earn it.  Let your play leave no room for discussion or debate about minutes.  That's how its' done.

If you can't do that, good luck to you wherever you end up.

Need minutes to "Let your play leave no room for discussion or debate about minutes."  Big difference between practice and game.

[GGGG]

Need minutes to "Let your play leave no room for discussion or debate about minutes."  Big difference between practice and game.

When has Buzz not given a player a fair shot minutes wise?  He would have had plenty of opportunities both in practice and in games.

[keefe]

Good riddance. After he retweeted this, I no longer wish McKay well. I hope he enjoys his two crappy years in Bumblecrap, Iowa before never getting a sniff at the NBA. Punk doesn't know what it means to work and expects life to be handed to him on a silver platter.

@taytayloree: @ShowTime_McKay congrats Meel!! F*** Marquette cause we all know you about to ball out as a cyclone anyway!! #teamhills

You need to get a life

[thekahoona]

+1

[Earl Tatum]

GREAT POST FREEPORT WARRIOR.  YOU HIT IT RIGHT!

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is why I don't tweet, though I wish I had bought their stock this morning.   

[Lennys Tap]

This is why I don't tweet, though I wish I had bought their stock this morning.   

the IPO was priced at 26 last night. If you were a big enough customer to be given an allocation, great. If you bought it on the open market this morning you paid somewhere between 45.10 (where it opened) to 50. Closed at 44.90.

[NersEllenson]

McKay wanted out first because of perceived playing time and he didn't want to play the 5. I think both would have worked themselves out, but kids today want the rewards before putting in the hard work, and as we know, Buzz is all about putting in the work. Another thing I'm hearing is that McKay knew/thought that Taylor, Jr. was going to get his minutes regardless of his play because of his ties with Mac Irvin Fire/Simeon. There is/was an understanding that those IL coaches expect Taylor to play, and if he doesn't, don't expect to them to ever send players MU's way. No one will ever admit it, but it's the subtle underbelly of high-level AAU ball. It reminded me of the Tyshawn Taylor "pressure" Hurley applied to MU to let TT out of his LOI -- let him out or you will never get another one of my players. Certainly unprovable, but with both kids playing well and all things being equal, it would be easy to lean to Taylor to keep everyone happy. I'm not saying this is Buzz's MO, I'm saying that a young kid, hearing these things and thinking he's busting it in practice and Taylor is getting the reps/favortism could have spooked him into thinking he would never get a fair shake. Perception or reality, we will never know.

So, in answer to your question -- McKay wanted out because of the perceived situation regardless of where he would transfer to. Iowa State had been recruiting him hard for years and he was familiar with them, so it was an easy move.
Good question. I don't know scholarship info, roster, fit, or desire. I'll post if I hear.

Appreciate the post and insight.  Certainly can believe all of the above, yet hard to think McKay would really think it through that far - the Simeon/Mac Irvin connection.  I'd suspect others were in his ear telling him that/planting that seed...and who knows if those were just those in his inner circle, or perhaps some people tied to Iowa State...but..I would bet money that there was some negative recruiting/tampering going on here...as opposed to McKay just thinking that whole elaborate scenario out on his own...especially:

Given Buzz's track record with JUCO's, and Buzz being a JUCO himself - it should have been abundantly clear to McKay that if anything Buzz has a soft spot to JUCO's more than anything else.  Hell, his JUCO's are the ones that have gone on to the NBA - not his high school recruits. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

the IPO was priced at 26 last night. If you were a big enough customer to be given an allocation, great. If you bought it on the open market this morning you paid somewhere between 45.10 (where it opened) to 50. Closed at 44.90.

Definitely not big enough and good point that if I had bought this morning, it would have been a non-starter.  Facebook I got right, waited and got in at the low $20's while the IPO guys got hit early days.  Of course, I was stupid enough to buy Apple at $700.  You win some you lose some.

[Coleman]

Definitely not big enough and good point that if I had bought this morning, it would have been a non-starter.  Facebook I got right, waited and got in at the low $20's while the IPO guys got hit early days.  Of course, I was stupid enough to buy Apple at $700.  You win some you lose some.

Your Apple buy wasn't stupid (unless you've already dumped the shares). They are buying back stock and paying dividends. Its a solid company and a solid stock and 10 years from now you won't regret having held onto it.

[brandx]

Need minutes to "Let your play leave no room for discussion or debate about minutes."  Big difference between practice and game.

I think Buzz has shown thru the years that you earn minutes by the way you practice.

[raul]

Thx Freeport good stuff. I still think McKay would have been better off playing at MU.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Your Apple buy wasn't stupid (unless you've already dumped the shares). They are buying back stock and paying dividends. Its a solid company and a solid stock and 10 years from now you won't regret having held onto it.

I still have them.  I try very hard not to get caught up in the buzz, but it was a buzz buy for sure.  Had ideas of it hitting $1K, but it went the other way.  I kept thinking despite it being a good company, the world's consumers are going to want cheaper, quality products and many will go for Samsung, etc because it is good product in its own way.  Tablet dominance will shrink as well.  All points to NOT buying the stock, but I did anyway.  So you're right it is a good company, very good products, but with people looking for cheaper stuff, Apple doesn't play in that sandbox with the same regularity. 

Live and learn.

[79Warrior]

I still have them.  I try very hard not to get caught up in the buzz, but it was a buzz buy for sure.  Had ideas of it hitting $1K, but it went the other way.  I kept thinking despite it being a good company, the world's consumers are going to want cheaper, quality products and many will go for Samsung, etc because it is good product in its own way.  Tablet dominance will shrink as well.  All points to NOT buying the stock, but I did anyway.  So you're right it is a good company, very good products, but with people looking for cheaper stuff, Apple doesn't play in that sandbox with the same regularity. 

Live and learn.

No Steve Jobs is reason enough for me to stay away. Nobody dominates forever, just ask SONY.