Chicago burger garnished with communion wafer

[brandx]

I think the evidence is there, one just needs to pay attention to the media and the outrage machine.  It's not theoretical at all in my opinion.  Look at the stories about a Koran being destroyed vs a bible destroyed.  Are they the same?  Are they treated the same?  Is the outrage level the same?  Just one example, but there are so many.  Certain things are allowed and will not be reported on. Other things in the same ballpark will not only be reported, it will rule the day(s) of outrage and pontificating because that's the agenda.  Straight guy holding a sign gets beat up at gay rally, hardly a peep.  Gay guy beat up at straight rally...time stands still.  Racial deaths (black on black)...ho hum.  White on black...time stands still.  Black on white...whistling through the meadows.  Guy is totally against raising the debt ceiling 6 years ago and called it failed leadership is same guy last three years saying we must raise the debt ceiling or the end of the world is coming.  You simply can't make this stuff up and the outrage on both sides is comical.  Nothing theoretical, right in front of our eyes.

Probably shouldn't waste any energy on it, but I find it entertaining at this point. 

Typical white guy's lament.

Maybe you shouldn't listen to the media that you are always railing against.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I think the evidence is there, one just needs to pay attention to the media and the outrage machine.  It's not theoretical at all in my opinion.  Look at the stories about a Koran being destroyed vs a bible destroyed.  Are they the same?  Are they treated the same?  Is the outrage level the same?  Just one example, but there are so many.  Certain things are allowed and will not be reported on. Other things in the same ballpark will not only be reported, it will rule the day(s) of outrage and pontificating because that's the agenda.  Straight guy holding a sign gets beat up at gay rally, hardly a peep.  Gay guy beat up at straight rally...time stands still.  Racial deaths (black on black)...ho hum.  White on black...time stands still.  Black on white...whistling through the meadows.  Guy is totally against raising the debt ceiling 6 years ago and called it failed leadership is same guy last three years saying we must raise the debt ceiling or the end of the world is coming.  You simply can't make this stuff up and the outrage on both sides is comical.  Nothing theoretical, right in front of our eyes.

Probably shouldn't waste any energy on it, but I find it entertaining at this point. 

The world is filled with hypocrisy, I get it. Politicians are the worst. I TOTALLY get that.

But, constantly stomping around and rolling your eyes about it isn't really going to change anything, and doesn't really serve a purpose.

The "Catholic" vs "Muslim" burger thing is EXACTLY theoretical. It's NOT real. It never happened. Yet, you are already "outraged" about the "outrage".

If I wanted to walk around pissed at the world, I could do it. I'm certain I could find enough reasons... but why would I?

[ATL MU Warrior]

I think the evidence is there, one just needs to pay attention to the media and the outrage machine.  It's not theoretical at all in my opinion.  Look at the stories about a Koran being destroyed vs a bible destroyed.  Are they the same?  Are they treated the same?  Is the outrage level the same?  Just one example, but there are so many.  Certain things are allowed and will not be reported on. Other things in the same ballpark will not only be reported, it will rule the day(s) of outrage and pontificating because that's the agenda.  Straight guy holding a sign gets beat up at gay rally, hardly a peep.  Gay guy beat up at straight rally...time stands still.  Racial deaths (black on black)...ho hum.  White on black...time stands still.  Black on white...whistling through the meadows.  Guy is totally against raising the debt ceiling 6 years ago and called it failed leadership is same guy last three years saying we must raise the debt ceiling or the end of the world is coming.   You simply can't make this stuff up and the outrage on both sides is comical.  Nothing theoretical, right in front of our eyes.

Probably shouldn't waste any energy on it, but I find it entertaining at this point. 

Context matters...in real life you have to be smarter than what you display on this website. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Typical white guy's lament.

Maybe you shouldn't listen to the media that you are always railing against.

Ah yes, when in doubt throw out the racist card or the age card or the gender card.   "You couldn't possibly understand cuz you are a guy, you are white..you are over 40....blah blah blah".


That's when you know the argument is over.   


As for ignoring it, pretty tough when it bombards you.  Secondly, I like to be informed, even if that means sifting through the BS along the way.  You can't go hide in a cave, but you can certainly listen, watch, read what is out there and then just apply common sense to what is palpable crap.  Quite easy. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

The world is filled with hypocrisy, I get it. Politicians are the worst. I TOTALLY get that.

But, constantly stomping around and rolling your eyes about it isn't really going to change anything, and doesn't really serve a purpose.

The "Catholic" vs "Muslim" burger thing is EXACTLY theoretical. It's NOT real. It never happened. Yet, you are already "outraged" about the "outrage".

If I wanted to walk around pissed at the world, I could do it. I'm certain I could find enough reasons... but why would I?

I assure you, I am not outraged at all over the Catholic burger thing.  I've been chuckling the whole time.  That's one of the problems with the written word, you can't interpret tone, mood, inflection, satire, etc. 

As I said before, I find in entertaining.  No stomping, no huffing....entertaining. You are right about politicians and politics in general.  I have some very very liberal friends and very very conservative friends.  It is funny interacting with them.  One of my very liberal friends just yesterday sent me something on Facebook about California GOP apparently making some buttons up that were less than flattering about Hillary Clinton and he was full of rage.  I asked him if he was full of rage when the state Democrat communication chair wished the kids of an aide to Ted Cruz kids would get a disease and die.  That's the kind of stuff that makes me laugh and I enjoy throwing a bucket of water on their poutrage.  I'll do the same to my conservative friends.  Or my Dodger friends that get all whiney about how terrible Giants fans were and I have to remind them going to a Dodger game can lead to death or paralysis. 

People view things through such a small funnel these days...they gravitate toward news that fits their views and so they are force fed only one side of the story and they totally ignore or completely are uninformed what else is out there.  They are almost blown away when what they were outraged by is also being done by their side that when presented with the evidence they are stupified.  Kind of funny, or sad....but that's how we consume info today.  Tailored, narrow, biased, edited, and heavily shaped because those delivering it would rather you not know the complete story.  I look forward to a day when the press becomes the press again.

[brandx]

Ah yes, when in doubt throw out the racist card or the age card or the gender card.   "You couldn't possibly understand cuz you are a guy, you are white..you are over 40....blah blah blah".


That's when you know the argument is over.   
 

I didn't say ANYTHING racist, anti-age, or anti-gender - I happen to be a white male over 50.

I was referencing that white men are the right's last demographic.

[Pakuni]

burgers it is tonight

Hold the Messiah?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Context matters...in real life you have to be smarter than what you display on this website.  

No, spin matters for you and you love their spin.  I get the "excuse" he is using saying it was a political vote back then, nuanced.  That's nice and sweet. Guess what, today's votes are political as well, how soon they all forget.  You just don't like them and neither does he.  Maybe he should have voted present back then, but in a moment of rarity he thought it important enough to take a stand for which he now regrets (again, how sweet).  Well, guess what, nuance it all you want, but that's why they have you speak into the mic and say AYE or NAY and they put that vote next to your name and that vote is preserved forever.  Guess what, they keep score.  

Makes you wonder, ATL, if just the vote was nuanced or his words also.  I'd love to hear that spin from you.  "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

LOL.  Apparently the words have an expiration date.


Surely, you are smarter than this in real life to understand that some of these things come back to bite people in the arse.  You're either saying he and others were a-holes 6 years ago and voted that way just to be a-holes to "stand on principle" and to nuance, or you're saying they were dead wrong and all of a sudden they are right now and those that are voting against it now are somehow NOT standing on their principles (because, their principles don't count).  See the hyprocisy here ATL?  It's ok to be principled, nuanced, etc for one side, but not the other.  How quaint. Guess what, it goes both ways, too. In the 2000's, the GOP cared not one bit about the deficit and spent and borrowed and spent.  Same for the 1980's.  Now, they suddenly care.  Hypocrites all, both sides.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I didn't say ANYTHING racist, anti-age, or anti-gender - I happen to be a white male over 50.

I was referencing that white men are the right's last demographic.

White Guy's Lament.......


I was referencing the typical response (not yours directly) on the other examples.  Get off my lawn, you're just an old white guy that doesn't understand.  You can't speak for women's issues, you're just an old white guy.  Blah blah.  I just find it funny as that is a standard response these days.  Of course, if someone were to say to a female candidate that she doesn't speak for men's issues all hell would break lose, yet people get a free pass when they say men can't speak about women's issues?  Hilarity.

[brandx]

White Guy's Lament.......


Of course, if someone were to say to a female candidate that she doesn't speak for men's issues all hell would break lose.

You use the word "if" a lot.

[ATL MU Warrior]

No, spin matters for you and you love their spin.  I get the "excuse" he is using saying it was a political vote back then, nuanced.  That's nice and sweet. Guess what, today's votes are political as well, how soon they all forget.  You just don't like them and neither does he.  Maybe he should have voted present back then, but in a moment of rarity he thought it important enough to take a stand for which he now regrets (again, how sweet).  Well, guess what, nuance it all you want, but that's why they have you speak into the mic and say AYE or NAY and they put that vote next to your name and that vote is preserved forever.  Guess what, they keep score.  

Makes you wonder, ATL, if just the vote was nuanced or his words also.  I'd love to hear that spin from you.  "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

LOL.  Apparently the words have an expiration date.


Surely, you are smarter than this in real life to understand that some of these things come back to bite people in the arse.  You're either saying he and others were a-holes 6 years ago and voted that way just to be a-holes to "stand on principle" and to nuance, or you're saying they were dead wrong and all of a sudden they are right now and those that are voting against it now are somehow NOT standing on their principles (because, their principles don't count).  See the hyprocisy here ATL?  It's ok to be principled, nuanced, etc for one side, but not the other.  How quaint. Guess what, it goes both ways, too. In the 2000's, the GOP cared not one bit about the deficit and spent and borrowed and spent.  Same for the 1980's.  Now, they suddenly care.  Hypocrites all, both sides.

Not going to bother even reading this, for surely it is 100% typical Chicos "I talk the most and am the loudest so therefore I am correct" rubbish.

What's occurring today is not even in the same universe as what occurred back then and you know it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hold the Messiah?

LOL

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not going to bother even reading this, for surely it is 100% typical Chicos "I talk the most and am the loudest so therefore I am correct" rubbish.

What's occurring today is not even in the same universe as what occurred back then and you know it.

They were his words, not mine.  You're just not reading HIS WORDS.    LOL.  HEAD IN SAND to protect your ideology.  Love it. 

[buckchuckler]

Hey, your terrorism sucks but my terrorism is justified.


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You never have any idea what point people are trying to make.  Welcome to ignoreland. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

They were his words, not mine.  You're just not reading HIS WORDS.    LOL.  HEAD IN SAND to protect your ideology.  Love it. 

Gee Chicos, where are the quotes of condemnation from the dopes currently running the House about raising the debt ceiling back then?  Oh, I forgot, they voted multiple times to raise the debt ceiling when W was in charge with no problems whatsoever.  You are so enamored with the concept of hypocrisy, but I guess only  when it doesn't conflict with your own ideology.  Talk about having your head in the sand. 

As for your current misdirection, whatever was said 6 or 8 years ago is completely irrelevant to the current situation.  You will grasp at any straw to try to defend the unprecedented and utterly indefensible actions currently being taken by the wackjobs you undoubtedly support. 

If people have any f*cking sense, they'll be gone in a little over a year and this country can start to address the MANY serious issues it faces. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's pretty funny ATL.  Especially that SINCE then, the debt had grown a crapload more, the deficits at record levels, etc.  You can paint it as a hit against who was there, but it has only gotten worse.  I yearn for the days of ONLY $10 trillion in debt, not $16.879 trillion.  I yearn for the days when debt to GDP was 84% under that "idiot", where today it is at 102.7%.  Head firmly in sand.

So try to take your donkey undies off for one second and simply look at the words he said.  What did he say that was right then that is wrong today?  His words.  How has the situation not gotten even worse and what he said then is even MORE applicable today than it was then.  What he said then was exactly true, but it was politically convenient for him to say it, now when the SAME situation (only worse) exists with the deficit the debt, he goes the other way.  Cute. 

[WellsstreetWanderer]

WAIT!   Weren't we promised that raising the debt ceiling won't cause our debt to increase?

[GGGG]

WAIT!   Weren't we promised that raising the debt ceiling won't cause our debt to increase?

Uh....no.  Why would you believe that?

[GGGG]

You never have any idea what point people are trying to make.  Welcome to ignoreland.  

Then expound on your point.  You seemed to be saying that the IRA's terrorist actions were justified due to an occupation by a foreign power.  Did I misread that?

Seriously, if you want people to understand your point....type...more...clearly.

[ATL MU Warrior]

That's pretty funny ATL.  Especially that SINCE then, the debt had grown a crapload more, the deficits at record levels, etc.  You can paint it as a hit against who was there, but it has only gotten worse.  I yearn for the days of ONLY $10 trillion in debt, not $16.879 trillion.  I yearn for the days when debt to GDP was 84% under that "idiot", where today it is at 102.7%.  Head firmly in sand.

So try to take your donkey undies off for one second and simply look at the words he said.  What did he say that was right then that is wrong today?  His words.  How has the situation not gotten even worse and what he said then is even MORE applicable today than it was then.  What he said then was exactly true, but it was politically convenient for him to say it, now when the SAME situation (only worse) exists with the deficit the debt, he goes the other way.  Cute. 

Wait, are you telling us that politicians will say anything to get elected?  Wow, that massive intellect of yours is truly something to behold.     Of course, this goes both ways but you latch on to a 6+ year old statement as if that has any relevancy today.  Rush must have been talking about this recently to divert attention from the mess being created by his beloved.

Anyway, that's not a conversation worth having, but it seems to be the only one you want to have (shocking).

While the increase in the nations debt is alarming, what's even more alarming is that one small minority of one party in one part of the govt seems to think they can do an end-around on the constitution to change laws they don't like, but that they can't defeat through the constitutionally-mandated electoral and legislative processes.  A conversation worth having is what this, if allowed to occur, would do to our system of goverment.

[Jay Bee]

These (the wafer & the President's latest 180) are both affronts on the Catholic religion and all things Holy. Should MU require students be (a) Catholic or (b) sign a "Sin waiver" that apologizes for their shortcomings and promises to never viciously attack the Church as so many in this thread have?

I think yes. Whoever the new MU president is must feel the same way.

[Skatastrophy]

This thread is terrible.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I assure you, I am not outraged at all over the Catholic burger thing.  I've been chuckling the whole time.  That's one of the problems with the written word, you can't interpret tone, mood, inflection, satire, etc. 

As I said before, I find in entertaining.  No stomping, no huffing....entertaining. You are right about politicians and politics in general.  I have some very very liberal friends and very very conservative friends.  It is funny interacting with them.  One of my very liberal friends just yesterday sent me something on Facebook about California GOP apparently making some buttons up that were less than flattering about Hillary Clinton and he was full of rage.  I asked him if he was full of rage when the state Democrat communication chair wished the kids of an aide to Ted Cruz kids would get a disease and die.  That's the kind of stuff that makes me laugh and I enjoy throwing a bucket of water on their poutrage.  I'll do the same to my conservative friends.  Or my Dodger friends that get all whiney about how terrible Giants fans were and I have to remind them going to a Dodger game can lead to death or paralysis. 

People view things through such a small funnel these days...they gravitate toward news that fits their views and so they are force fed only one side of the story and they totally ignore or completely are uninformed what else is out there.  They are almost blown away when what they were outraged by is also being done by their side that when presented with the evidence they are stupified.  Kind of funny, or sad....but that's how we consume info today.  Tailored, narrow, biased, edited, and heavily shaped because those delivering it would rather you not know the complete story.  I look forward to a day when the press becomes the press again.

I'm all for people being "well informed", but maybe tune out once in a while?

It seems like your political views are bleeding into everything you do, and it constantly comes up on a basketball message board.

Just my opinion.

Personal note: My brother used to be "well informed", and grew quite disenchanted with life. When he finally learned to tune out the junk, and concentrate on what he was in control of, he was much happier... AND we didn't have to listen to his mini-rants at family functions (after 6 or 7 drinks of course).