5 Year Evaluation of Buzz

[brandx]

He didn't say none of the above. You could have a similar voting record - although you've voted in each election and have never voted democrat.  Still, certainly haven't voted Republican all the time either.

So does this reflect your political views? Lower case 'd' and upper case 'R'?

Just joking - not looking for a political argument

[Silkk the Shaka]

Not a cop out at all.  If your choice is a douche and a turd and both are ill equipped, giving either the vote is an endorsement.  No thanks.    I'm not the kind of person that says "just because" or "I had to pick one of them".  No you don't.  Not even close. 

So by voting for not even a write-in or minority party candidate, you get to say about whoever wins "I didn't vote for him."  That's a cop-out, Striped Tomato.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So Hitler and Mao are on the ballot, who do you vote for...have to pick one, otherwise it is a cop out.

I love your logic.

If the person isn't qualified, or you feel will do a poor job, you like voting for them anyway otherwise it is a cop out?  Good for you.  I don't reward people with votes that they will then turn around and say they have a "mandate" to do certain things.  You have a different point of view.  That's cool, but don't call mine a cop out.  Plenty of people choose this right....in fact many people choose not to vote at all.  I, actually, vote in every election, but that doesn't mean I vote in every office contest, or vote for only someone from the two main parties.  And I certainly don't just fill in the bubble for an office because they are running unopposed.   Just like when I get shareholder votes for various stocks I own, most people just check the box to go along with whatever the board recommends.  Sometimes I do, sometimes I vote for some officers, but not all.  Is that a cop out, too?    I thought the whole point was for people to decide.  Go figure.

[4everwarriors]

Not a cop out at all.  If your choice is a douche and a turd and both are ill equipped, giving either the vote is an endorsement.  No thanks.    I'm not the kind of person that says "just because" or "I had to pick one of them".  No you don't.  Not even close.  

What election was Crean runnin' in unopposed?

[Silkk the Shaka]

So Hitler and Mao are on the ballot, who do you vote for...have to pick one, otherwise it is a cop out.

I love your logic.

If the person isn't qualified, or you fell will do a poor job, you feel like voting for them anyway otherwise it is a cop out?  Good for you.  I don't reward people with votes that they will then say they have a "mandate" to do certain things.  You have a different point of view.  That's cool, but don't call mine a cop out.  Plenty of people choose this right....in fact many people choose not to vote at all.  I, actually, vote in every election, but that doesn't mean I vote in every office contest, or vote for only someone from the two main parties.  And I certainly don't just fill in the bubble for an office because they are running unopposed.   Just like when I get shareholder votes for various stocks I own, most people just check the box to go along with whatever the board recommends.  Sometimes I do, sometimes I vote for some officers, but not all.  Is that a cop out, too?    I thought the whole point was for people to decide.  Go figure.

I like how you ignored the third party or write-in option that I specifically addressed.  Either/or is not the only option.  Taking the time out of your day to actually write NONE OF THE ABOVE on a ballot and submit it is the dumbest option.

[g0lden3agle]

I like how you ignored the third party or write-in option that I specifically addressed.  Either/or is not the only option.  Taking the time out of your day to actually write NONE OF THE ABOVE on a ballot and submit it is the dumbest option.

You're building quite the straw man.  Where did he ever say he goes in there and votes NONE OF THE ABOVE and not a third party or write-in as you mentioned?

[Silkk the Shaka]

You're building quite the straw man.  Where did he ever say he goes in there and votes NONE OF THE ABOVE and not a third party or write-in as you mentioned?

Beleive me, he did it, and posted it publicly & proudly.

[bilsu]

Entertainment factor A ( both coach's and team's style)
Recruiting effort A
Recruiting success B-
Player development A
regular season coaching B+
Big East tournament coaching D
NCAA tournament coaching B+
AS far as the trouble some players have gotten into all of them were admitted by MU. The admissions department should have denied them, if there were any indications of past serious prior problems.

[brewcity77]

Wow...the shock that a thread about how Buzz did his first five years degrades to an argument about Crean. Color me amazed! 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I like how you ignored the third party or write-in option that I specifically addressed.  Either/or is not the only option.  Taking the time out of your day to actually write NONE OF THE ABOVE on a ballot and submit it is the dumbest option.

I'd call it an affirmative doubling down.  After all, writing NONE OF THE ABOVE takes as long as writing a person's name, but it feels so much better.  Especially knowing 5 years later how right that decision is.



 

[Coleman]

Depends on the issues.....I refuse to be bucketed and vote straight ticket like all the drones out there.  In the last 6 presidential elections, I have voted for the GOP ticket TWICE....I'll bet that didn't exactly fit with what your impression of my views are, now did it.  

Fair enough Mr. Bailbonds. I meant it was pretty obvious you lean one way, that's all. It wasn't an insult, just that you wear it on your sleeve.

FWIW, I've never voted a straight Dem ticket either. And I rather like the Mike Bloombergs of the world.

[WarriorFan]

This was a really good thread until it descended into Politics.

I'm not in favor of multiple grades.  Buzz is at B+.

Would be higher if there was a higher academic rating.
Would be higher if there were no negative news reports regarding player "activities" whether alleged or true.
Would be higher with final four appearance(s).

... and the only way to get an A+ is to win it all.

[bilsu]

This was a really good thread until it descended into Politics.

I'm not in favor of multiple grades.  Buzz is at B+.

Would be higher if there was a higher academic rating.
Would be higher if there were no negative news reports regarding player "activities" whether alleged or true.
Would be higher with final four appearance(s).

... and the only way to get an A+ is to win it all.

Is the academic rating hurt by some of players quiting school in March to prepare for NBA draft?

[Jay Bee]

Is the academic rating hurt by some of players quiting school in March to prepare for NBA draft?

If by "academic rating" you mean the APR, then absolutely yes. 0/2 for the semester. Hefty blow (no ZFB).

[Eye]

Back to the topic at hand.

A overall, but closer to an A - than an A +. Need to be playing the final weekend to remove any thought of the minus, and need to win it all to get the +.

[Lennys Tap]

I'd call it an affirmative doubling down.  

It's not affirmative anything. It's the ultimate negative. Gives you (in your mind) the high ground to rip whoever gets the job. For someone who wishes it was still 1955 that's valuable territory.

[ATL MU Warrior]

It's not affirmative anything. It's the ultimate negative. Gives you (in your mind) the high ground to rip whoever gets the job. For someone who wishes it was still 1955 that's valuable territory.

Amen brother. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Beleive me, he did it, and posted it publicly & proudly.

And posted the picture of the ballot.

Doit again. Doit again.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's not affirmative anything. It's the ultimate negative. Gives you (in your mind) the high ground to rip whoever gets the job. For someone who wishes it was still 1955 that's valuable territory.

I'm going to rip on both of the crack candidates anyway.  If one  or both was worth voting for, I would.  See how easy this is?   Sorry, voting for someone who is inept, can't do the job, isn't qualified to do the job is not my idea of using one's intelligence.  Feel free to exercise yours any way you wish.  My country allows me to do this.  Some years I vote for people, ones I actually think can do the job.  Other years I do not....I'm not supporting someone that can't do it. 

[Lennys Tap]

My country allows me to do this. 

Your country "allows" you to do all sorts of things that range from bad ideas to self destructive ones. It's a free country - if you want to vote "none of the above" just so you can be different and scream "look at me" fine - but remember, if it's "your country" the winner of the election is also "your president". Grown ups realize this, so sometimes, for the good of their country, they vote for what they perceive to be the less poor choice.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'd call it an affirmative doubling down.  After all, writing NONE OF THE ABOVE takes as long as writing a person's name, but it feels so much better.  Especially knowing 5 years later how right that decision is.

Some people are just ahead of their time.   

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/01/bill-would-allow-nh-voters-to-vote-none-of-the-above/

[willie warrior]

B
For the following:
~~5 years in with all his players and our record this year is near .500,  and the team is much more inconsistent than prior years. Well below average and expectations this year takes the grade down
~~Fairly good recruiting but did not land a quality big until mid season next year, and that through a transfer
~~Way too many recruiting mistakes: Mbao; Roseboro; Taylor; Newbill; Williams; Smith; Durley; McKay and some others probably forgotten. How about Maymon?
~~With the excellent salary and resources Buzz has, this should be an A- and would be if it were not for this very subpar year.

[Lennys Tap]

Some people are just ahead of their time.   

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/02/01/bill-would-allow-nh-voters-to-vote-none-of-the-above/

Yeah, nothing better for a democracy than for the most informed to cede the decision making to the least informed and think it's funny/cute. A solid, grown up way to solve our problems.

[willie warrior]

It's not a simple question, nor is the answer.  I appreciate what they have both done for my alma mater.  Each had a totally different mission and starting point.  Different facilities, different leagues, different expectations.  Both did a great job, both have their failings.  I'm thrilled with what Crean did to put MU back on the map, a major influence to getting us into the Big East, proving we belonged in the Big East, going to the Final Four, hiring Buzz Williams, etc....all of which helped Buzz tremendously.  I'm equally thrilled that Buzz has done the job he has done....could have gone sideways and he didn't allow that to happen.

Why are we making this into a 6th grade do you like Sally more than Jenny?  I want both chicks!   

Because there are some likely 6th graders here, Chico's. Can't you tell by their posts?

[willie warrior]

Wow...the shock that a thread about how Buzz did his first five years degrades to an argument about Crean. Color me amazed! 

By the way, is this Buzz's 6th year? I did not check. But somebody posted that he has 6 straight NCAA appearances. If it is his 6th year, that guy sure is confident about where we are headed this year.