Ancestry, '88 style

[brewcity77]

Dad who went to Marquette, "you get a scholarship there you're going! No ifs ands or nuts about it!" Or Someone (Larry or Pilarz) to Buzz, "the second that kid is in HS you scholarship him he gave a lot of money with that stipulation!" I could see the first one being true but I just think its strange with buzz sending a scholarship to such a young player and him committing 14hrs after it was reported. 

Or the kid grew up in a pro-Marquette household and looks up to his dad who played for Marquette and has always dreamed of following in his dad's footsteps. Meanwhile, Buzz sees a kid who was outstanding at the WBY event and has watched the kid impress against older competition while also having a good relationship with a family that has strong MU ties so he offered him early.

Personally, I think the likelihood that it was Buzz seeing an outstanding player for his age and Flory dreaming of putting on the Blue & Gold is more likely than the dual-strongarm situation, but maybe it was Luca Brazzi who got this commit sealed.

[bilsu]

Off the top of my head, a couple of ways are traveling team ball, ans pickup games against current high school kids.

I think the most obvious one given that the dad is a former MU player is that he has been attending Buzz's basketball camps.

[GGGG]

Strong armed by Daddy.

Yet again, you have no clue what you are talking about.  This statement is borderline insulting to both father and son.

Or the kid grew up in a pro-Marquette household and looks up to his dad who played for Marquette and has always dreamed of following in his dad's footsteps. Meanwhile, Buzz sees a kid who was outstanding at the WBY event and has watched the kid impress against older competition while also having a good relationship with a family that has strong MU ties so he offered him early.

+1.  Now here's a guy who knows what he is talking about.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Then why don't you delete Chico's post about his father's academics?

Why, was it untruthful?  Nope.

[real chili 83]

Ban hammer in 3...2...1....

[Galway Eagle]

Or the kid grew up in a pro-Marquette household and looks up to his dad who played for Marquette and has always dreamed of following in his dad's footsteps. Meanwhile, Buzz sees a kid who was outstanding at the WBY event and has watched the kid impress against older competition while also having a good relationship with a family that has strong MU ties so he offered him early.

Personally, I think the likelihood that it was Buzz seeing an outstanding player for his age and Flory dreaming of putting on the Blue & Gold is more likely than the dual-strongarm situation, but maybe it was Luca Brazzi who got this commit sealed.

Maybe it was just me but when I was an early teenager I wanted nothing to do with my parents. It's not the following legacy part that surprised me I could see that from a junior or senior in HS but not from a kid this young.  Maybe he's mature for his age maybe I just remember being more of a prick at 14/15 than I was.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hey chicos.. keep the father out of it when its an attack on his character. How would you feel if I talked about your father as a bum?

Pretty funny stuff...people here attack the character of people ALL THE TIME here who have sons and daughters.....some really vicious stuff, and never ONCE is it asked to stop...hmmm.  Oh, that's right, its of a former coach or a rival coach we don't like or a player we don't like, so its ok.  A lot of the comments made are not even truthful, blatantly made up.  Plane trips to Omaha....Good Lord. 

I make a benign statement that I hope he hits the books harder than pops, and the moral outrage gauge hits tilt.  LOL.  And my comments are based on the truth, even provided evidence of it.  Pretty amazing.  Tell the truth...time for a timeout.  Make crap up about other coaches, players, nothing happens and there are 50 other posts patting the said poster on the back because it was cool they dinged that former coach or rival coach or player "we don't like".  WOW   

Happy that Flory has committed, don't think it means anything truthfully.  Many years ahead of him where things can happen.  Buzz could be in Austin by then, who knows.  If he comes to MU, fantastic. Seems like a good player, always nice to have a kid from Wisconsin commit, but a lot can happen in 4 years.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ban hammer in 3...2...1....

Why?  Truthful comments no longer allowed?

Flory played at MU after playing one year at Colorado and one year at a JUCO.
He then played one year at MU
Following year he redshirted for academic reasons...team ended up a disaster for tons of reasons (Reeder, Flory, Ellenson, Nethen, Dukiet, Pop Sims assaults)
He was in a serious car crash where he was injured
Finished up his senior year after the redshirt year when academics were in order

All truthful

[wadesworld]

Why?  Truthful comments no longer allowed?

Flory played at MU after playing one year at Colorado and one year at a JUCO.
He then played one year at MU
Following year he redshirted for academic reasons...team ended up a disaster for tons of reasons (Reeder, Flory, Ellenson, Nethen, Dukiet, Pop Sims assaults)
He was in a serious car crash where he was injured
Finished up his senior year after the redshirt year when academics were in order

All truthful

Dear lord. Give it up already. What's the point?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Chicos tilting at the "hypocrisy" windmill. What a complete waste of one's life.

[brewcity77]

Maybe it was just me but when I was an early teenager I wanted nothing to do with my parents. It's not the following legacy part that surprised me I could see that from a junior or senior in HS but not from a kid this young.  Maybe he's mature for his age maybe I just remember being more of a prick at 14/15 than I was.

I'm sure it's all case-by-case. I thought my dad was like a superhero even in my teenage years. I have no idea what kind of father Mike Flory is. All the AAU events and extra training could be Philip's desire or it could be an overbearing father pushing him. I guess the glass-half-full part of me likes to think that this is best for the program and the kid. Only time will tell.

[Pakuni]

Youthful irresponsibility is genetic.
Everybody knows that.

[brewcity77]

There's a new and different thread for it. I think the mods are trying to say discuss Philip in here and any family issues in there. Not that complicated.

[ChicosBailBonds]

For those of us at MU at the time, many remember the car crash. 

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19880510&id=V3xQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8RIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5098,1933099

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19880509&id=eGgaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xyoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6935,80441

Thank God wearing their seat belts, at a time when a lot of people didn't.

[Jay Bee]

For those of us at MU at the time, many remember the car crash. 

Do you know why Indiana said Crean's max buyout was $8 million when it's really $16 million? I know you're friends with the AD and talk to him when people on this board talk about comments on a private plane trip.. maybe you know the answer to this.

[The Equalizer]

Youthful irresponsibility is genetic.
Everybody knows that.

I know you're just trying to be sarcastic, but would this really matter one way or the other?

If it is somehow genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to overcome the handicap?
If its not genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to avoid the same outcome?

I can guarantee that if Mike Flory is any kind of decent father, he's ALREADY had the talk with his son about the need to work hard in school/put education first/don't coast on your basketball talents/look what happend to me/etc.  And will probably have it again multiple times before 2017.

[Pakuni]

I know you're just trying to be sarcastic, but would this really matter one way or the other?

If it is somehow genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to overcome the handicap?
If its not genetic, wouldn't normal people hope that the son works hard to avoid the same outcome?

I can guarantee that if Mike Flory is any kind of decent father, he's ALREADY had the talk with his son about the need to work hard in school/put education first/don't coast on your basketball talents/look what happend to me/etc.  And will probably have it again multiple times before 2017.

I know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, but it's asinine for Chico's or anyone else to else to respond to a kid's commitment by not only bringing up his father's problems as a young man but suggesting the kid might somehow be susceptible to them (because science?).

If Chico's or you (or even normal people) were sincere in hoping kids avoid the same issues as Mike Flory, then he'd be here wishing it for every kid who commits to MU. But he's not.
He's either a) Showing off ... "Look at me, I know Mike Flory's past and can drudge it up" or b) taking a cheap shot at an MU commitment. I lean toward option A, but one never knows.

[GGGG]

Why, was it untruthful?  Nope.

No...the mods are just not following their own instructions.

[GGGG]

I make a benign statement that I hope he hits the books harder than pops, and the moral outrage gauge hits tilt.  LOL.  And my comments are based on the truth, even provided evidence of it.  Pretty amazing.  Tell the truth...time for a timeout. 

Again, I just hope your kids don't turn out to be arrogant douchebags like their dad. 

JUST SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!!!!

[GGGG]

Maybe it was just me but when I was an early teenager I wanted nothing to do with my parents. It's not the following legacy part that surprised me I could see that from a junior or senior in HS but not from a kid this young.  Maybe he's mature for his age maybe I just remember being more of a prick at 14/15 than I was.

OR...MAYBE HE JUST WANTS TO COME TO MU.

Jesus effin' Christ.  Do we have to microanalyze EVERYTHING???  Can't we just be pleased with this???

[forgetful]

Why?  Truthful comments no longer allowed?

Flory played at MU after playing one year at Colorado and one year at a JUCO.
He then played one year at MU
Following year he redshirted for academic reasons...team ended up a disaster for tons of reasons (Reeder, Flory, Ellenson, Nethen, Dukiet, Pop Sims assaults)
He was in a serious car crash where he was injured
Finished up his senior year after the redshirt year when academics were in order

All truthful

But your implication that he didn't take school seriously is an assumption.  According to your article he had troubles his freshman year.  That is extremely common and has nothing to do with taking school seriously.  There are different levels of preparation for different students and they often find themselves under water their first semester.  Couple that with playing basketball in an era that there wasn't the same support structure and it is very easy to struggle.  

Clearly he realized how important academics were and when he saw himself having a potential issue he said school comes first and focused on it, taking time away from basketball.  By all accounts his story can be viewed as one in which he took school very seriously and wanted to make sure he got his degree, even if that meant taking time away from basketball, something that should be looked at admirably.  Instead you chose to focus on the negatives and attack him in a positive thread about his son.  Frankly that's ridiculous.

[The Equalizer]

Do you know why Indiana said Crean's max buyout was $8 million when it's really $16 million? I know you're friends with the AD and talk to him when people on this board talk about comments on a private plane trip.. maybe you know the answer to this.

Maybe the answer is that the buyout really is only $8 million.

He makes one vaild point--you got your number from a an anonymously written blog post (on LateNiteHoops) that cites one virtually unknown consulting firm (Pleasant Avenue Athletics).  

Lets face it, if you Google "Pleasant Avenue Athletics" nothing comes up that would give you the sense that they're an inside player that would actually have this data.  

What makes you so certain they're right that you've taken to hounding Chicos in every unrelated thread?

[Lennys Tap]

Equalizer (SJS, 84) and Chicos - together again. All that's missing is Hoopaloop. LOL

[Archies Bat]

Equalizer (SJS, 84) and Chicos - together again. All that's missing is Hoopaloop. LOL

I'd like to see an answer,  not a third party attack.   I enjoy JB's BB analysis, but he does seem to chase CBB.

[The Equalizer]

I know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing,

Pot, meet kettle.

but it's asinine for Chico's or anyone else to else to respond to a kid's commitment by not only bringing up his father's problems as a young man but suggesting the kid might somehow be susceptible to them (because science?).

Except he didn't mention any sort of genetic link. You just made that up becuase it made it oh, so easer to tear him down, right?

If Chico's or you (or even normal people) were sincere in hoping kids avoid the same issues as Mike Flory, then he'd be here wishing it for every kid who commits to MU.

If we follow your logic, you (or even normal people) can't be sincere in expressing hope that nothing bad happens to Chris Otule's eyesight if they didn't express the same exact thought for every kid?

Or you (or even normal people) weren't sincere when they expressed hope that Dean Meminger Jr. doesn't wind with the same drug addiction that plagued his father because they didn't do the same for every kid?

Do you see how asinine your argument is?

In context, its a perfectly innocent remark.  This hurdle of saying "Because you didn't extend the same wish to all kids measn you wern't sincere" is just stupid, as the two examples shows.

But he's not. He's either a) Showing off ... "Look at me, I know Mike Flory's past and can drudge it up" or b) taking a cheap shot at an MU commitment. I lean toward option A, but one never knows.

Funny but I can't think of a single case in the past where you've accused someone of "showing off" because they something that happened in MU's past.

Why don't you just admit the real answer is C: you found a way to take a perfectly innocent remark, but because Chicos made it you had to twist it into personal attack.