Buzz a better recruiter than Tom Crean...

[mu-rara]

Nah, Coach Clover will front him a schollie.

Hah, I wasn't going to go that far, but who knows?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Gold was Crean's idea. And he has given out Thomas's number. What other "doozies?"

Proof that it was his idea, especially in light of one agency already admitting it was their idea.

Yes, he gave out Thomas's number as did Knight, Davis, Dakich, etc who also did it prior.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Something tells me you're 100% wrong.

LOL....try again

"But would Marquette remain the Golden Eagles, or something entirely new? Board member Ann Zizzo, of the Zizzo Group, and her team landed on the "Gold". The Marquette Gold. Really? But then again, the Zizzo Group also suggested we name the 27th Street Corridor "Boomgard"."

[ChicosBailBonds]

Crean's buyout if IU fires him just dropped from $16MM to $14MM.

Wonder what Buzz's is. (Not that that issue should ever come up.)

I'd like to know where Latenighthoops thinks the buyout is $16M.  Latenight hoops has a weird way of reading it in my opinion, which is why I don't buy their take on the Alford \ UCLA stuff either.  Page 11 outlines the buyout pretty straight forward.  The only thing I can think Latenight or PAA is doing is adding up the numbers. 

Here is his original contract.   http://www.insidethehall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/creanfinalcontract.pdf

Last year he signed an extension, which changed the terms of the buyout, but nowhere close to what is stated by Latenighthoops.  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension

All of this stuff is a matter of public record.  

NOTE:  I assume you are part of Latenighthoops and Pleasant Avenue Athletics in some way.  I'm happy to hook you up directly with Fred Glass via email if that helps...if you wish to confirm your work.  I don't see how you guys are getting your numbers based on the original contract or the comments made by the AD, which he would be called to task for very quickly considering he is a state employee and TC's contract is a state contract.  There would be no reason for him to misrepresent the terms of the buyout in public.  Let me know if I can help.

[Jay Bee]

I'd like to know where Latenighthoops thinks the buyout is $16M.  Latenight hoops has a weird way of reading it in my opinion, which is why I don't buy their take on the Alford \ UCLA stuff either.  Page 11 outlines the buyout pretty straight forward.  The only thing I can think Latenight or PAA is doing is adding up the numbers. 

Here is his original contract.   http://www.insidethehall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/creanfinalcontract.pdf

Last year he signed an extension, which changed the terms of the buyout, but nowhere close to what is stated by Latenighthoops.  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension

All of this stuff is a matter of public record.  

NOTE:  I assume you are part of Latenighthoops and Pleasant Avenue Athletics in some way.  I'm happy to hook you up directly with Fred Glass via email if that helps...if you wish to confirm your work.  I don't see how you guys are getting your numbers based on the original contract or the comments made by the AD, which he would be called to task for very quickly considering he is a state employee and TC's contract is a state contract.  There would be no reason for him to misrepresent the terms of the buyout in public.  Let me know if I can help.

Chicos, in the Alford thread you commented:

I guess Yahoo Sports, ESPN, SI, CBS, etc, etc...we're all naive but "LateNightHoops" has it nailed. 

Yes, this is just another example. Late Night Hoops once again has it nailed while seemingly everyone else is in the dark and/or has misreported.

It sounds like you are the one who should be talking to Mr. Glass. I already know the facts. You seem to have questions as to why he would "misrepresent the terms of the contract" (which is your characterization, not mine).

To be clear, the LateNightHoops.com article states that the buyout is now down to $14MM (had been $16MM). I'm still curious as to your thoughts on the buyout amounts
as detailed in the linked article. Until you're ready to admit LNH is correct and everyone else is "naive" (or intentionally misrepresenting as you appear to be believe), just pretend that the information is spot on - what are your thoughts on the buyout amounts? High? Doesn't matter? UCLA is a far better than Indiana?

[ChicosBailBonds]

How did Latenight Hoops nail it when the contract clearly shows they didn't?  That is my question....you seem to be saying the $16M or the newly argued $14M is accurate when the contracts that are a matter of public record don't indicate this and furthermore fly in the face of what the AD, President of the school, etc are saying.

I'm simply asking the question, how is Latenighthoops and PAA coming up with their answers?  Hard for me to concur they've nailed anything without that knowledge.  Produce that and we can talk.  Right now, we have the actual contracts saying something totally different along with the people representing the school vs a blog in Minnesota claiming something else without any documentation to substantiate it.  You may be 100% right, but I'd like to see the evidence and more importantly, public response from IU.   The Herald would love this information, if you are right, you should send it to them....but again, you need to provide the info.  Until then, why on earth would they get a pass on Alford either?  Need the evidence.

[Jay Bee]

How did Latenight Hoops nail it when the contract clearly shows they didn't?  That is my question....you seem to be saying the $16M or the newly argued $14M is accurate when the contracts that are a matter of public record don't indicate this and furthermore fly in the face of what the AD, President of the school, etc are saying.

I'm simply asking the question, how is Latenighthoops and PAA coming up with their answers?  Hard for me to concur they've nailed anything without that knowledge.  Produce that and we can talk.  Right now, we have the actual contracts saying something totally different along with the people representing the school vs a blog in Minnesota claiming something else without any documentation to substantiate it.  You may be 100% right, but I'd like to see the evidence and more importantly, public response from IU.   The Herald would love this information, if you are right, you should send it to them....but again, you need to provide the info.  Until then, why on earth would they get a pass on Alford either?  Need the evidence.

Why not just answer the question? Go ahead and send "the Herald" the link to the LNH story; maybe they'll get on it & "confirm" to you what I already know.

I don't need you to tell me what an old, superseded contract from many years ago said. The truth (and character?) will be revealed.

Sounds like you think this is a pretty big deal. "Flies in the face" if what IU said? Sheesh; tough language.

[Lennys Tap]

Why not just answer the question? Go ahead and send "the Herald" the link to the LNH story; maybe they'll get on it & "confirm" to you what I already know.

I don't need you to tell me what an old, superseded contract from many years ago said. The truth (and character?) will be revealed.

Sounds like you think this is a pretty big deal. "Flies in the face" if what IU said? Sheesh; tough language.

Chico's pissed because his pal Fred (he has his email address, dontcha know) didn't send him a heads up. How dare you get info not privy to an IU insider?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why not just answer the question? Go ahead and send "the Herald" the link to the LNH story; maybe they'll get on it & "confirm" to you what I already know.

I don't need you to tell me what an old, superseded contract from many years ago said. The truth (and character?) will be revealed.

Sounds like you think this is a pretty big deal. "Flies in the face" if what IU said? Sheesh; tough language.

Sorry, didn't mean for it to come across as "tough" language.  The number you are stating is just so drastically different than what is publicly out there and easily obtainable with open information laws.  That's why I said flies in the face...there is no motive for the AD to state that when it can be easily dissuaded.  Especially in light of some posts here recently that were patently false about private plane trips to Omaha, etc, etc. 

The contract I sent you was the 2008 contract, I don't have the 2012 contract.  Like I said, if you are right you are right, though it would puzzle me why Glass would come out and say $8M, which is a lot different than $16M.    I guess I'm still waiting for you to answer my question, what are you basing your $16M off of?

I did send it to Dustin at the Herald as well as Terry Hutchens (though Terry's role with the Indianapolis Star changed and he's now at Fox \ Scout) .  I worked with Terry as a grad student many years ago on the Indiana - Kentucky high school all star game which the Star sponsored. 

[Jay Bee]

Sorry, didn't mean for it to come across as "tough" language.  The number you are stating is just so drastically different than what is publicly out there .  

What's "publicly out there", though? I heard second hand & it was widely reported that Glass said a contract would be given to the media when finalized and that "the buyout costs $8MM"...

Now, mainstream media routinely gets things wrong, but I would agree it appears IU's message was that the buyout was referring to the cost to buy out Crean, not what Crean would pay to buy it out.

However, it depends what your definition of "is" is. What difference - at this point - what difference does it make? Squirmy?

Technically IU could say "well we meant the buyout Crean would owe us!... We weren't talking about what we would owe, silly! And, we routinely provide info request packages to the local newspapers.. They have the contract - maybe they just didn't read or understand the contract. The folks at Pleasant Avenue are professionals when it comes to college coaching contracts (football & men's basketball) so I'm not surprised they'd have this nailed while the masses remained clueless."

[ChicosBailBonds]

Again, who says they have this "nailed"?  Because you say it's so doesn't mean it is so.  You and they may be right, but we know what is out there as part of the public record is so drastically different than what their conclusion is, I think asking for some clarity is out of bounds.  If they don't have it, that's fine.  If they do, even better.  Maybe when the new contract comes out it says $16M or $14M....if so, then that would explain things.  That's all I'm asking for, something that has some tie back into some data or document.  Fair?

As for squirmy, what on earth would be squirmy about it?

[Jay Bee]

Again, who says they have this "nailed"?  Because you say it's so doesn't mean it is so.  You and they may be right, but we know what is out there as part of the public record is so drastically different than what their conclusion is, I think asking for some clarity is out of bounds.  If they don't have it, that's fine.  If they do, even better.  Maybe when the new contract comes out it says $16M or $14M....if so, then that would explain things.  That's all I'm asking for, something that has some tie back into some data or document.  Fair?

As for squirmy, what on earth would be squirmy about it?

You're stating that what IU has publicly claimed is "so drastically different" than what the truth is. I thought that might make you squirmy. What the contract says is already detailed out for you at LateNightHoops.com.

Since you don't want to believe it, can you pretend and give your opinion on the amounts "as if they were true"? More likely is that once once you become satisfied that indeed LNH has it nailed, you'll just say "well, it's really no big deal. I think the amounts are cool and the fact no traditional media or IU reported on it is no big deal either"... if that's going to be your eventual response, then just say it now.

Also, would be curious on as to your definition of a "blog". What makes a blog "a blog" and what is/are the alternatives? How does "a blog" become something else? Is this a subjective definition or something you just "feel"?

[ChicosBailBonds]

You're stating that what IU has publicly claimed is "so drastically different" than what the truth is. I thought that might make you squirmy. What the contract says is already detailed out for you at LateNightHoops.com.

No, what is claimed on Latenighthoops is their interpretation of a contract....I'd like to see the contract.  Right now it's "take our word for it".  I don't think it is too much to ask for the source of the numbers.  Fair? 

[Jay Bee]

No, what is claimed on Latenighthoops is their interpretation of a contract....I'd like to see the contract.  Right now it's "take our word for it".  I don't think it is too much to ask for the source of the numbers.  Fair? 

You're stating that *if what Late Night Hoops says* is true (which it is), then what IU has publicly claimed is "so drastically different" than the truth. I thought that might make you squirmy.

You emailed and shared the response of your guy when someone posted something about an in-flight conversation... maybe just ask your guy as you'll trust him.

The reality is people get stuff wrong all the time. It doesn't make me squirmy so much as it is just another interesting example of how misunderstood MANY THINGS are by the public and traditional media.. and it's  another interesting example of fake outrage (crying over UCLA's mirror provisions, but no comment on a $16MM buyout figure) that is selective and incredibly lazy.

The average person isn't very bright. You know that, Chicos. That's why I'm surprised that you're so surprised that LNH has it nailed (once again) while others are way off.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Check out this steller Crean recruit, Devan Dumes charged with attempted murder http://www.indystar.com/article/20130130/SPORTS0601/130130034/Former-Indiana-basketball-player-Devan-Dumes-charged-attempted-murder

Verdict in....helping out since it seemed to be important to you.   

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130917/NEWS02/309170068/Former-IU-basketball-player-Devan-Dumes-found-not-guilty-attempted-murder?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

[Jay Bee]

Verdict in....helping out since it seemed to be important to you.   

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130917/NEWS02/309170068/Former-IU-basketball-player-Devan-Dumes-found-not-guilty-attempted-murder?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

Awesome; think Crean will have him work at his fantasy bball camp now?

I was hoping this post would be you finally admitting I was right re: Crean's contract.

Guess I'll have to wait.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Awesome; think Crean will have him work at his fantasy bball camp now?

I was hoping this post would be you finally admitting I was right re: Crean's contract.

Guess I'll have to wait.

Not yet, need the documents...can you email to me?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Kyle Neddenriep ‏@KyleNeddenriep 14m

Confirmed James Blackmon Jr. has opened up recruitment from Indiana.

Confirmed, he chose IU over Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State last night

[wadesworld]

Confirmed, he chose IU over Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State last night

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/117563/james-blackmon-jr

This guy's 17 years old?  The dude looks 45, at least!

[tower912]

Less height in the 2014 IU class than the 2014 MU class.   

[wadesworld]

Less height in the 2014 IU class than the 2014 MU class.   

It's alright.  They have Luke Fischer  .  Some people like Willie would rather have Luke Fischer than Davante Gardner because they see "7'" and "top 100" and think that automatically equates to "stud big."  Davante still doesn't qualify as "stud big" because he was a 2 star and is only 6'8".

[nyg]

It's alright.  They have Luke Fischer  .  Some people like Willie would rather have Luke Fischer than Davante Gardner because they see "7'" and "top 100" and think that automatically equates to "stud big."  Davante still doesn't qualify as "stud big" because he was a 2 star and is only 6'8".

Uh, they also have Noah Vonleh, 6ft 10 (top 10 recruit), Fisher at 6ft 11, Troy Williams at 6ft 7 and Devin Davis at 6ft 8.  All freshman. 

[tower912]

So Crean is filling a need.    BTW, his current roster lists 18 players.    Which are the walk ons?

[wadesworld]

Uh, they also have Noah Vonleh, 6ft 10 (top 10 recruit), Fisher at 6ft 11, Troy Williams at 6ft 7 and Devin Davis at 6ft 8.  All freshman. 

Just saying I'd rather have a 6'8" banger who gets the job done than a 7' softy.

[NersEllenson]

Just saying I'd rather have a 6'8" banger who gets the job done than a 7' softy.

You are referring to basketball players, correct?