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muarmy81

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 21, 2013, 10:51:06 AM
The Heat don't need Bosh.  They need a big banger down low.

Agreed...I find it really hard to see Bosh back with this team next year.

flash

Quote from: muarmy81 on June 21, 2013, 11:16:17 AM
Agreed...I find it really hard to see Bosh back with this team next year.

Try not to be a prisoner of the moment here. Bosh had a bad game and overall had a bad series, but the Heat would not have won a title this year or last year without him.  He is a heck of a third option for them and will be back for the Heat. 

reinko

Quote from: muarmy81 on June 21, 2013, 11:16:17 AM
Agreed...I find it really hard to see Bosh back with this team next year.

Again, who is magically going to pay him $65 million the next 3 years.

MU B2002

Quote from: nyg on June 21, 2013, 09:45:42 AM
The Heat will probably rid themselves of Miller and O'Neil.  Haslem maybe, Battier and Allen also, but the Heat have no draft choices.



O'Neil?
"VPI"
- Mike Hunt

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: reinko on June 21, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
Again, who is magically going to pay him $65 million the next 3 years.

My money is on the genius in Charlotte.

GGGG

I'm not quite understanding why Miami should change anything outside of the fringes.  Three straight appearances...two straight championships...  Why mess with that?

nyg

Quote from: MU B2002 on June 21, 2013, 12:08:11 PM

O'Neil?

Who0ps, not Jermaine O'neill, but Rashard Lewis.  Both are alike. 

jsglow

Quote from: flash on June 21, 2013, 11:25:29 AM
Try not to be a prisoner of the moment here. Bosh had a bad game and overall had a bad series, but the Heat would not have won a title this year or last year without him.  He is a heck of a third option for them and will be back for the Heat. 

I remember a couple of rebounds in crunch-time in Game 6.  They don't cut the nets without Bosh.  Not sure I'd mess with the Heat core; fringe, then sure.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: Terror Skink on June 21, 2013, 12:17:40 PM
I'm not quite understanding why Miami should change anything outside of the fringes.  Three straight appearances...two straight championships...  Why mess with that?

I think Bosh is still a fine player, but Wade is the big question mark. Dude looks like he can barely walk half the time. Without him, or at least without him playing at an effective level, that thing begins to look a bit like what LeBron left behind in Celveland.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on June 21, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
I think Bosh is still a fine player, but Wade is the big question mark. Dude looks like he can barely walk half the time. Without him, or at least without him playing at an effective level, that thing begins to look a bit like what LeBron left behind in Celveland.

Lebron's contract is up in 2014.  If you look at Cleveland now, they are built VERY well for the future.  I would not be at all surprised to see Lebron go home and retire a hero in Cleveland.

Sunbelt15

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 21, 2013, 12:16:01 PM
My money is on the genius in Charlotte.

He make that move and he'll be fired too!

Sunbelt15

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 21, 2013, 12:30:26 PM
Lebron's contract is up in 2014.  If you look at Cleveland now, they are built VERY well for the future.  I would not be at all surprised to see Lebron go home and retire a hero in Cleveland.

Only a hero if he brings them a championship.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 21, 2013, 12:30:26 PM
Lebron's contract is up in 2014.  If you look at Cleveland now, they are built VERY well for the future.  I would not be at all surprised to see Lebron go home and retire a hero in Cleveland.

Highly likely that is what's going to happen.

muarmy81

Quote from: jsglow on June 21, 2013, 12:22:33 PM
I remember a couple of rebounds in crunch-time in Game 6.  They don't cut the nets without Bosh.  Not sure I'd mess with the Heat core; fringe, then sure.

You guys all make valid points but I think MIA would upgrade at the center position, if they could.  Beyond the "Big 2 1/2" comments that have been going on for about the past year or so guys like Duncan, Noah, and recently Roy Hibbert did show that MIA is pretty shakey in that position.

muarmy81

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 21, 2013, 12:30:26 PM
Lebron's contract is up in 2014.  If you look at Cleveland now, they are built VERY well for the future.  I would not be at all surprised to see Lebron go home and retire a hero in Cleveland.

Do you think he would entertain going back to Cleveland after all the bad blood the had? (Burning jersey's, the owner calling him out, etc)

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: muarmy81 on June 21, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
Do you think he would entertain going back to Cleveland after all the bad blood the had? (Burning jersey's, the owner calling him out, etc)

Yes, because he's a grown up, and they are likely to be stacked with young talent.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: Terror Skink on June 21, 2013, 12:17:40 PM
I'm not quite understanding why Miami should change anything outside of the fringes.  Three straight appearances...two straight championships...  Why mess with that?

In the Playoffs this season, Bosh went for 12 and 7 on 46% shooting. You can get that for a lot less than $20M. Those are Carl Landry/Luis Scola numbers. Within the conference, Miami was exposed at the center position by Roy Hibbert and to a lesser extent by a hobbled Joakim Noah. With money coming ON the books and no draft picks, it would be tough for the Heat to upgrade the middle without trading off a piece of value. Obviously LeBron and Wade aren't going anywhere and no one else on the team is going to get much in return (teams rarely trade big for small) so moving Bosh would make sense from that perspective.

The Heat won the championship (which is obviously the ultimate goal) but if the Spurs make one more FT or grab one more defensive board, the Heat's season was a total failure. That's a pretty small margin for error.

lab_warrior

Quote from: muarmy81 on June 21, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
Do you think he would entertain going back to Cleveland after all the bad blood the had? (Burning jersey's, the owner calling him out, etc)

Winning + money >>>>>>>> (Burning jersey's, the owner calling him out, etc)

jmayer1

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on June 21, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
Highly likely that is what's going to happen.

I don't see it. Besides Irving, I don't see as much great young talent as some people. There are some decent players but not any other guys that will get Lebron excited to play with.

mugrad99

Quote from: nyg on June 21, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
Who0ps, not Jermaine O'neill, but Rashard Lewis.  Both are alike. 
Thanks for the clarifaction Paula Dean

StillAWarrior

Quote from: jmayer1 on June 21, 2013, 03:36:17 PM
I don't see it. Besides Irving, I don't see as much great young talent as some people. There are some decent players but not any other guys that will get Lebron excited to play with.

I personally don't think it's going to happen either, but Cleveland does have the No. 1 and No. 19 picks this year.  Hopefully, they'll get some more talent.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

GGGG

Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 21, 2013, 04:19:14 PM
I personally don't think it's going to happen either, but Cleveland does have the No. 1 and No. 19 picks this year.  Hopefully, they'll get some more talent.


Weak draft....

This year it might be Nerlens Noel....a fine big man but hardly a franchise player.

As opposed to Andrew Wiggins next year.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on June 21, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
Highly likely that is what's going to happen.

People in L.A. talking hard the last 6 months that they will make a hard run at him.  I don't think it happens, but just saying.  I'd love to see him go back to Cleveland, but think the owner didn't do himself any favors when he made his comments and continued to make his comments.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: jmayer1 on June 21, 2013, 03:36:17 PM
I don't see it. Besides Irving, I don't see as much great young talent as some people. There are some decent players but not any other guys that will get Lebron excited to play with.

PG - Kyrie Irving
SG- Dion Waiters
SF - Lebron James
PF - Tristan Thomas
C - Nerlans Noel

That is a pretty good team.  And there is plenty of money for someone to come along and play with him.

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