MUScoop fans suck!

[tower912]

Dawson's dad, Newbill' coach/mentor.....yup, player's families and entourages read this board.   And it is embarrassing at time.   Yup, lots of message boards knuckleheads.    This board has always had an opportunity to show that a MU education means you can make rational arguments without engaging in personal attacks, that you can speak critically and intelligently about basketball without slagging kids.   IMO, it does not succeed in that as often as it should.   

[bilsu]

If a kids mom chose a school based on a message board...wow. 

With that said, these are just kids.  Period

Anyone remember the nice post Dawson's dad had after his son signed?

What people do not seem to understand is a recruit often gets down to two or three schools he really likes and it is hard to make the decision. Anything negative helps the recruit make a decision to go elsewhere. I have repeatedly posted on this board how some posters here continually recruit against Buzz. As soon as a potential recruits name is posted someone posts why we do not want the player. Buzz flies all over the country scouting players and spends numerous hours contacting them on phone or by texting. It must be very frustrating to have this board work against him. I just do not understand how we are all suppose to be such die hard fans of MU and have so much negativity on our board. To me it is even more frustrating, because this board at times shows no Christian values.

[Benny B]

Dawson's dad, Newbill' coach/mentor.....yup, player's families and entourages read this board.   And it is embarrassing at time.   Yup, lots of message boards knuckleheads.    This board has always had an opportunity to show that a MU education means you can make rational arguments without engaging in personal attacks, that you can speak critically and intelligently about basketball without slagging kids.   IMO, it does not succeed in that as often as it should.   

Agreed... however, an important detail we should note here is that, of those who did, no one broke bad on Newbill until after it was announced that the NLI was voided.  So let's be careful not to jump to blaming Scoop for chasing him off.

[Goose]

As for possible recruits, there is no way I could possibly have an opinion that would trump Buzz's interest in a kid. That said, I do think once a kid is here and part of the program criticism can be posted. Now if we Dukiet in charge of recruiting I would likely be very critical of who he is recruiting.

[Pakuni]

Clearly you either did not read my case or simply did not understand it. Those images bespoke the narrative. And, by the way, those images were an integral part of a case study taught at Harvard Business School on the Sambo's Branding controversy. I urge you to understand the difference between the evincive and the affirming.

Your comment is specious, uninformed, and amiss.

No, keefe, I clearly understood the point you were trying to make (though I needed a dixnary to understand some of yer fancy talkin' and Hahvahd words). Posting something that might be viewed as offensive by a recruits' parents - and what you posted absolutely qualifies - is no less offensive because you think it's "evincive."

Your scolding of other posters is hypocritical, misplaced and perhaps a classic case of Freudian projection.

[esotericmindguy]

I think I know who you are speaking of, and MU dodged a bullet. Never panned out.

Dodged a bullet? If a recruit is questioning coming here over a few posts on a chat board then why the h*ll would you even sign him?? I could tell you right then and there he would be a waste. My goodness, go to Murray St. if you want duckies and bunnies. This is a top 15-20 program, pressure and a few intense fans comes with the territory.

[mileskishnish72]

Mickey went both ways.

[setyoursightsnorth]

Nothing wrong with guys arguing sports. Hell, apart from women, sports is the second most common conversation in every bar in America. I think there's a lot of fun in debating such burning issues as who was the greatest right handed hitter (Molitor, of course) or the best southpaw among Spahn, Koufax, Carlton, or Big Unit?  

I think there should be law stating that one has to be inebriated to contribute to MuScoop. Keeping up with that fun debating atmosphere you find at bars. I think that would fix a lot of things. People can get too personal on here.

[bilsu]

Agreed... however, an important detail we should note here is that, of those who did, no one broke bad on Newbill until after it was announced that the NLI was voided.  So let's be careful not to jump to blaming Scoop for chasing him off.

This is not true at all. There of plenty of posters were claiming he was no good based on his rating, before he left the program. There were plently of posters saying they did not like Buzz getting a committment from Dawson and even further saying they bet he would not even show up for this coming year. Of course the same thing was said about Roseboro. The fact that in the end the posters were right about Roseboro does not make it right to attack players before they even show up. I see no reason to attack our players who are playing to their ability and representing the university well. I love Derrick Wilson, because he plays hard and does what he can to help the team. The same goes for Jake Thomas and Juan Anderson. Not everyone can be a star. We need solid role players that do all they can to help the team.

[jmayer1]

Nothing wrong with guys arguing sports. Hell, apart from women, sports is the second most common conversation in every bar in America. I think there's a lot of fun in debating such burning issues as who was the greatest right handed hitter (Molitor, of course)

I sure hope this was a sarcastic homer comment.

[keefe]

Mickey went both ways.

Of course he did. And there was no finer drag bunter in baseball history. But Mick batted .330 as a right hander and .280 as a lefty. Most believe it was the right shoulder injury suffered in the '57 Series that hampered his swing from the left. In the 3rd game against the Braves Mantle walked then advanced to second when Berra also walked. Bob Buhl tried to pick him off but his throw was high and Red Schoendienst had to climb a ladder to get it. Schoendienst came down square on Mantle's right shoulder. Mantle's famous perfectly level swing was never the same from the left. 

[keefe]

No, keefe, I clearly understood the point you were trying to make (though I needed a dixnary to understand some of yer fancy talkin' and Hahvahd words). Posting something that might be viewed as offensive by a recruits' parents - and what you posted absolutely qualifies - is no less offensive because you think it's "evincive."

Your scolding of other posters is hypocritical, misplaced and perhaps a classic case of Freudian projection.

I have never written any judgment of any recruit or Marquette team member as I am clearly not qualified in terms of talent, skill, or expertise in playing, coaching, or evaluating basketball. And that is the essence of this thread.

As for the question you raise, comparing a Harvard Business School case study on the impact of negative brand associations is highly relevant when considering the resurrection of the Marquette Warrior thematic. The Sambos brand case illustrates how racially offensive imagery is lethally toxic. Such is the case with a Marquette Warrior brand represented by Willie Wampum.

Your reply demonstrates you miss the point of the original post entirely. Naivete is one thing but to be both shallow and callow is impressive.

[Pakuni]

Your reply demonstrates you miss the point of the original post entirely. Naivete is one thing but to be both shallow and callow is impressive.

This would have been much better in haiku form.

[real chili 83]

Anyone remember the nice post Dawson's dad had after his son signed?

Actually, no.  How can I find it?  Thanks.

Here's two of Mr. Dawson's posts....


dddawson
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Re: Dawson to MU!

« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2012, 09:45:41 AM »


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he's 6'3 and still growing ..... i'm his dad and will tell you that he truly had 37 offers with high majors still calling even though he chose MU.  he didnt just grab the opportunity because he felt it was a one time deal, but because he trusted GOD for his path and was strongly recruited by buzz and brad and who flew out to our home 3 times this month alone and showed him great love from a great program!!! .... just recd 13 calls yesterday from BCS schools that want him to not sign with MU in NOV so that they can get on board.  JohnJohn is EXCITED to be a part of the MU family and so are we!!! .... long way from home ..... lots and lots of hard work .... and is excited to get even better!!! .... i truly believe MU is and will be blessed by his talent .... i'm excited!!!
 


dddawson
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Re: Dawson to MU!

« Reply #120 on: September 27, 2012, 09:56:04 AM »


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also ..... buzz and the MU staff have watched several games from this past year including the state playoffs where his high school team knocked off the number one team in the state.   johnjohn knows it wont be a cake walk at MU and that there are no gimmees

[Benny B]

This is not true at all. There of plenty of posters were claiming he was no good based on his rating, before he left the program.

That happens ALL the time.  Heck... if you want to dig, you can find similar comments on Jae, DJO, JFB, etc.  When I say "breaking bad," I'm not talking about critiques of one's game/ratings/etc... I'm talking about the personal attacks and driving players off.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I just don't know any MU fan that is cheering for Vander to fail.  There are many that wish he would have stayed for any number of reasons (develop better, good team coming back, etc), there are certainly some that don't think he will succeed or be drafted (that doesn't mean they want this to happen).
That is being naive or dishonest or both because THERE ARE those who want him to fail and not get drafted and will be the first ones if it happens to say that "I told you so!"
You can bet your bottom dollar on it. So please don't say that. And don''t say tha it is not true because it is and he knows and he knows some are thinking and hoping it, ad Vander probaly with his Type A personality ( And no A does not stand for Arrogance as many believe..) he relishes itad thrives on that kind of motivation.
I for one am just elated that another young man I was fortunate to be in some service to is moving on to persuehis dream like many other students today not aiming for the NBA on graduation night

Just because someone says he won't get drafted doesn't mean he wants that to happen.  Hell, in some cases it might better if he doesn't get drafted...see Wes Matthews.

I don't know anyone here based on what I have read that wants Vander to fail.  Sure, there will be some that said "I told you so" if he doesn't get drafted, that's far different than wanting him to fail.  Maybe those individuals believe he would have been wiser to stay in school.  Who knows, but the charge that some people want him to fail is extreme.

The only people here that I have seen that want someone to fail are those that have flat out said it about our former coach.  That's the ONLY time I have seen it here related to basketball.  Otherwise, provide some actual evidence that people want him to fail...I don't think you find any.

[TallTitan34]

I think there's a lot of fun in debating such burning issues as who was the greatest right handed hitter (Molitor, of course) or the best southpaw among Spahn, Koufax, Carlton, or Big Unit?  

Hopefully you were joking considering Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Joe DiMaggio were all right handed.

[MU82]

If Scoop deserves scorn for costing us a recruit, do we get credit for this year's Top 10 class?

[Pakuni]

Hopefully you were joking considering Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Joe DiMaggio were all right handed.

Rogers Hornsby. .358 career average = second best of all-time, behind only Ty Cobb.

Among the more modern-era players, it's Frank Thomas and Albert Pujols.

[MerrittsMustache]

No question Henderson played at an extremely high level for 23 years. I was at the game at County Stadium when he broke Lou Brock's record. My issue with RH are the swirling suggestions of PED use. I am of the opinion that anyone who used PEDs has tainted accomplishment and should not be eligible for the Hall. Pete Rose belongs well before Clemens, McGwire, Palmeiro, Bonds, et al. What's a damn shame is that Clemens in his prime was a machine. Too bad he made a bad choice later in his career.

Given your praise of Molitor, I assume you have no issues with cocaine use though.

(Hopefully Paul Molitor's mom doesn't read this post)

[swoopem]

Rogers Hornsby. .358 career average = second best of all-time, behind only Ty Cobb.

Among the more modern-era players, it's Frank Thomas and Albert Pujols.

And Miggy Cabera, that guy is a straight up beast. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get the triple crown again

[jmayer1]

Hopefully you were joking considering Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Joe DiMaggio were all right handed.

+1

There's about 30 guys I would rattle off without even thinking about Molitor. He's not even in that conversation (unless it's only drunk Brewer fans).

Maybe if you're talking about "pure hitters" or some other phrase to describe guys without a lot of power.

[reinko]

Rogers Hornsby. .358 career average = second best of all-time, behind only Ty Cobb.

Among the more modern-era players, it's Frank Thomas and Albert Pujols.

And Manny of course, albeit with the roids rumors.

[keefe]

+1

There's about 30 guys I would rattle off without even thinking about Molitor. He's not even in that conversation (unless it's only drunk Brewer fans).

Maybe if you're talking about "pure hitters" or some other phrase to describe guys without a lot of power.

I was just stirring the pot with Molitor. I really like Molitor and Ichiro (a lefty) as leadoffs. I have read Hornsby was the greatest but i never saw him or Joe D play. And I only saw Hank and Willie on the far downward slope so i can't really comment.

Molitor belongs in the Hall but he isn't the best righty of all time. Two other names are Kaline and Yount.