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THRILLHO

Quote from: mu03eng on May 14, 2013, 12:18:47 PM
Why won't it happen?  There is plenty of rebounding, scoring, and defense there.  Why wouldn't you do it?  That's Buzz's whole philosophy of a 1, a 5 and 3 switchables.  Besides how do you guard that line-up if you are the other team?

I agree, and with Jameel putting up great numbers as a rebounder, you could potentially play an insanely long Syracuse-style zone with that lineup, disrupt every pass, and hopefully not give up much on the boards. I would be surprised if we didn't at least see Buzz try it out in the early season.

MU82

Quote from: mu-rara on May 13, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
Willie, you do NOT need scoring from every position.  Can you evaluate talent on anything but scoring.  Tony Miller was not a scorer.  Cordell Henry was not a scorer.

Brandon Jennings is a scorer, but he does not make anyone else better. 

How many Final Fours did Tony Miller and Cordell Henry play in?

Travis Diener, meanwhile, did play in a Final Four. And without his shooting, we wouldn't have made it out of either the first or second rounds.

As for a few points others have made ...

Yes, Junior had a better FG% than Peyton Siva, it is true. But teams still had to respect Siva's shot because he was perceived to be a better outside shooter (and I'm guessing that a shot chart would confirm that he was). He definitely was a better 3PT shooter and a far better FT shooter. And he could get red hot and carry Louisville through long stretches. Siva definitely wasn't a "pure shooter," but he was an offensive creator who could drive the gaps, get inside and create for himself and others. I don't think it was a coincidence that Louisville excelled with him at PG -- despite his occasional turnover-prone play. A coach as smart as Pitino happily traded a few turnovers for a chance to get greatness out of his PG. And I'd happily trade Derrick Wilson's cautious, create-nothing offensive style for that of a PG who could be a more dynamic set-up man for himself and others.

Is it "necessary" for the PG to be able to shoot/score? No, I guess not. But if you look at the list of NCAA champions -- and even of Final Four teams -- did any have PGs incapable of creating offense for themselves and others? Most, in fact, had excellent PGs.
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Quote from: mu-rara on May 13, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
Willie, you do NOT need scoring from every position.  Can you evaluate talent on anything but scoring.  Tony Miller was not a scorer.  Cordell Henry was not a scorer.

This is wrong.  Tony Miller and especially Cordell Henry were scorers.  Miller scored over 1,000 points for his career (yearly averages 6.4, 8.8, 7.2 & 10.8 for teams that played at a glacial pace thanks to O'Neill) and could penetrate and score, and more important, dish out assists.  He was a very helpful offensive player.  Cordell Henry is our 22nd all-time leading scorer (1347 pts and averaged 15.2 ppg his senior season and 11.2 for his career).  How many points does Derrick Wilson have after half his college career is over?  60.

I agree that you don't need prolific scoring from every position.  But the defense HAS to feel like they need to guard your PG.  Derrick brings a lot to the table in terms of defense and not turning the ball over, but if he is going to run the team he has to be a threat to score. 
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

willie warrior

Quote from: mu-rara on May 13, 2013, 12:25:11 PM
Willie, you do NOT need scoring from every position.  Can you evaluate talent on anything but scoring.  Tony Miller was not a scorer.  Cordell Henry was not a scorer.

Brandon Jennings is a scorer, but he does not make anyone else better. 
Didn't say you need scoring at every position. I did say we need a PG that can shoot--that opens up the inside game more. While Tony Miller was not a scorer, he did average close to 10PPG his last year, and is MU all time assist leader, which likely will never be surpassed. Cordell Henry averaged about 14 to 15 his last year. What are you smoking--pass it on.
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GGGG

Quote from: MU82 on May 14, 2013, 01:46:49 PM
Yes, Junior had a better FG% than Peyton Siva, it is true. But teams still had to respect Siva's shot because he was perceived to be a better outside shooter (and I'm guessing that a shot chart would confirm that he was). He definitely was a better 3PT shooter and a far better FT shooter. And he could get red hot and carry Louisville through long stretches. Siva definitely wasn't a "pure shooter," but he was an offensive creator who could drive the gaps, get inside and create for himself and others.


Siva was defninitely not a good 3 point shooter, but you and I agree.  You need to create offense from your PG position...but you don't need your PG to necessarily score more than Junior did last year.

MU82

Quote from: Terror Skink on May 14, 2013, 03:36:35 PM

Siva was defninitely not a good 3 point shooter, but you and I agree.  You need to create offense from your PG position...but you don't need your PG to necessarily score more than Junior did last year.

Fair enough. I mean, Siva only averaged 10 and hit just one trey in the entire tourney.

Still, he did score 16 in the regional final and 18 in the title game and often was a dynamic player. Put it this way: I'd take it on next year's team with the rest of next year's roster! Can D-Will even be a really-really-really-poor-man's version of that? We'll see! It's hard for me to envision it as I sit here today, but players do get better.
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Quote from: Jay Bee on December 18, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
You, sir, are CORRECT.

So you carry on conversations with yourself.
Anything else you do0 with yourself?

Jay Bee

Quote from: Heisenberg on December 18, 2013, 08:25:15 PM
So you carry on conversations with yourself.
Anything else you do0 with yourself?

Yes, but most of the time your mom is involved.
The portal is NOT closed.

JakeBarnes

Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

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brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 18, 2013, 08:26:05 PM
Yes, but most of the time your mom is involved.

That wouldn't be by yourself, unless either Another's mom is imaginary or you ARE Another's mom.

wadesworld

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 18, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
You, sir, are CORRECT.

That's cute.

Lots of hoops left to be played though. Look for Jameel McKay to come on strong.

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Quote from: Jay Bee on December 18, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
You, sir, are CORRECT.

Quote from: Heisenberg on December 18, 2013, 08:25:15 PM
So you carry on conversations with yourself.
Anything else you do0 with yourself?

The man was right, and is right, he's entitled to take a bow, IMHO.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.


bilsu

I said before the season started based on pro am that McKay was not going to play much and that Burton was a stud. JJJ was an unknown to me, because he barely played during pro am. I thought Duane would be good, but expectations for him were to high.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: LittleMurs on December 19, 2013, 07:49:12 AM
The man was right, and is right, he's entitled to take a bow, IMHO.

Really?

Dude picked 40% of the field as his "choice" for biggest impact recruit. Since when did choose one become choose nearly half of the recruits and take a bow with only one-third of the season complete?

God damn, people hurt themselves these days pointing out how awesome their awesomely awesome life is that everything they do and touch turns out awesomer than the awesome of awesomes to make crap just more awesome.

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