Biggest Impact Recruit Next Year

[bilsu]

I think you have to weigh talent vs being physically ready to play. JJJ is the best offensive player in the group, but if he weighs only 185 pounds he is  going to have problems. The same goes for McKay who is also on the light side. Duane is much more talented than Derrick, but he has not played a second of college basketball. He still needs to prove that he will not be a turnover machine. Until he shows he can get the ball up court he cannot be counted on. Remember two highly regarded point guards Crean brought in. I do not remember their names, but one was from Israel and the other was from Michigan and neither one could get the ball up court against a press. On the other hand Diener never had any problem with bringing the ball up court. We can hope, but we should not just assume Duane will be  a good point guard as a freshmen. Burton is the recruit with a college ready body and he is also our 2nd highest rated recruit. His ability to take the ball strongly to the basket fits in perfectly with Buzz's offense, so I do not think he should be so easily ruled out as the freshmen with the most impact. A lot might depend on how quick Taylor recovers from his surgery.

[Jay Bee]

Deonte & JJJ

[GoldenZebra]

Gonna go out on a limb and say John Dawson. He might not play many minutes, but what he can bring to practices and game preps will be super helpful.

[Goose]

Wilson and IMO it will start on day one.

[MUHoopsFan2]

Deonte & JJJ

Hope both qualify and are eligible when the season starts academically.

If so, I will say Duane Wilson. I would have said Steve Taylor but he right now on crutches so I scratch that.

Jamil has the nature of a deferer to me. He defers too much. Especially early on. But I think I always have to look to the PG play as being impactful.

PG is where you need true leadership and where Junior Cadougan will be the hardest and most vital guy to replace next year, and Blue will be the easiest.

But that would mean that Duane has to get off and running the minute he hits the floor here at MU. So if you pinned me down I would say Duane.

[MUHoopsFan2]

I think you have to weigh talent vs being physically ready to play. JJJ is the best offensive player in the group, but if he weighs only 185 pounds he is  going to have problems. The same goes for McKay who is also on the light side. Duane is much more talented than Derrick, but he has not played a second of college basketball. He still needs to prove that he will not be a turnover machine. Until he shows he can get the ball up court he cannot be counted on. Remember two highly regarded point guards Crean brought in. I do not remember their names, but one was from Israel and the other was from Michigan and neither one could get the ball up court against a press. On the other hand Diener never had any problem with bringing the ball up court. We can hope, but we should not just assume Duane will be  a good point guard as a freshmen. Burton is the recruit with a college ready body and he is also our 2nd highest rated recruit. His ability to take the ball strongly to the basket fits in perfectly with Buzz's offense, so I do not think he should be so easily ruled out as the freshmen with the most impact. A lot might depend on how quick Taylor recovers from his surgery.

Totally disagree. Duane can get the ball up the court and break a press if he can't do anything else...trust me.

And depending on what Buzz wants to run with this squad he can get them into it and spearhead it. PG is too important in college basketball for Duane or a top flight scorer [JJJ] not to top this list or be in the top 3 of any lists like this.

And he has enough ability to be impactful more then anyone else and at his position he is strong enough, quick enough, and athletic and talented enough where he will bring an entirely different dimension then Junior did.

I like the point you made about the size of some of these cats. They are a bit on the light side and seem to not like weights. That is why I did not choose JJJ but I can be totally wrong on that one.

Burton I considered long and hard on, but I think he might be overwhelmed early on and struggle to find his niche' and a role and position to play. Seems to me he needs to work on his feet and awareness on defense or Buzz will sit him. 

But I just think if Buzz likes Duane and he is healthy to start the season, he will be impactful because he can bring the ball up and he can create and he can MAKE....SHOTS!

That simple.

To me that is the bottom line. And I like his motor and and personality on the court. A take charge, I'll get it done kind of kid.

Now with that said...my truly hands down guy for this was Todd Mayo but I can't trust Todd to walk across the street and back without some issue.

1. Duane Wilson
2. Jamil Wilson
3. Todd Mayo *<<<< asterisk [If he is here then...] So tempted to put Burton here. But that is my Milwaukee heart talking...

[MUHoopsFan2]

You don't need scoring from the point guard position, but you definitely need offense...if that makes any sense.

It depends on what team you are talking about. Tell that to Michigan and Trey Burke. Yes you do, but I get what you are saying.

You have to factor in how the team is made. With MU finally having some size down low, this team does need a scoring backcourt and they need the PG to put some pressure on the other teams PG by being a willing and able scorer so he can draw attention and get teams out of a zone they might play against MU.

I hear ya though...I get what you are saying. But I have to see what Buzz is working with if they can play in the Jim Ganzer Summer Tournament for a more definite answer.

 

[Lighthouse 84]

Now with that said...my truly hands down guy for this was Todd Mayo but I can't trust Todd to walk across the street and back without some issue.

1. Duane Wilson
2. Jamil Wilson
3. Todd Mayo *<<<< asterisk [If he is here then...] So tempted to put Burton here. But that is my Milwaukee heart talking...

Uh, the thread is about the biggest impact recruit there sportsfans, not who will have the biggest impact.

I'm going with Duane Wilson for the simple fact he plays the position the Warriors need the most from.  Though, did you see the numbers Jameel put up the other day at the JUCO all star game?  35pts-16reb-5bl and MVP.

[Lennys Tap]

Hope both qualify and are eligible when the season starts academically.

Sounds like you think this may be a problem. Based on what?

[MUfan12]

Sounds like you think this may be a problem. Based on what?

It won't be a problem.

[GGGG]

It won't be a problem.

Yeah, I think all of our incoming recruits have qualified.

[THRILLHO]

Sounds like you think this may be a problem. Based on what?

That poster has made repeated mentions of supposed classroom problems for Burton, based on nothing as far as I can tell. At some point I start to think they have something against Burton, since there is no official information and the unofficial information I have heard is that he is a good student.

[GGGG]

It depends on what team you are talking about. Tell that to Michigan and Trey Burke. Yes you do, but I get what you are saying.

You have to factor in how the team is made. With MU finally having some size down low, this team does need a scoring backcourt and they need the PG to put some pressure on the other teams PG by being a willing and able scorer so he can draw attention and get teams out of a zone they might play against MU.

I hear ya though...I get what you are saying. But I have to see what Buzz is working with if they can play in the Jim Ganzer Summer Tournament for a more definite answer.   

This team got to two S16s and a E8 with Junior Cadougan as its point guard.  As long as they can get some decent scoring from the traditional 2 and 3 positions, you just don't need a PG to score in this offense.  Their job is to break down the defense and set others up.

[Lennys Tap]

That poster has made repeated mentions of supposed classroom problems for Burton, based on nothing as far as I can tell. At some point I start to think they have something against Burton, since there is no official information and the unofficial information I have heard is that he is a good student.

The "hope they both qualify and are ready when the season starts academically" is the kind of passive aggressive BS that I absolutely hate.

[MU82]

This team got to two S16s and a E8 with Junior Cadougan as its point guard.  As long as they can get some decent scoring from the traditional 2 and 3 positions, you just don't need a PG to score in this offense.  Their job is to break down the defense and set others up.

Maybe if they had a point guard who could shoot consistently they'd have gone to the Final Four.

The Cubs went to the playoffs with Joe Borowski as their closer. Does that mean a team shouldn't aim to have a closer better than Joe Borowski?

[MU82]

I think you have to weigh talent vs being physically ready to play. JJJ is the best offensive player in the group, but if he weighs only 185 pounds he is  going to have problems. The same goes for McKay who is also on the light side. Duane is much more talented than Derrick, but he has not played a second of college basketball. He still needs to prove that he will not be a turnover machine. Until he shows he can get the ball up court he cannot be counted on. Remember two highly regarded point guards Crean brought in. I do not remember their names, but one was from Israel and the other was from Michigan and neither one could get the ball up court against a press. On the other hand Diener never had any problem with bringing the ball up court. We can hope, but we should not just assume Duane will be  a good point guard as a freshmen. Burton is the recruit with a college ready body and he is also our 2nd highest rated recruit. His ability to take the ball strongly to the basket fits in perfectly with Buzz's offense, so I do not think he should be so easily ruled out as the freshmen with the most impact. A lot might depend on how quick Taylor recovers from his surgery.

Interesting that you mentioned JJJ perhaps being too skinny in the same post as  mentioning Diener being outstanding.

Diener weighed about 81 pounds.

[Lennys Tap]

Maybe if they had a point guard who could shoot consistently they'd have gone to the Final Four.

The Cubs went to the playoffs with Joe Borowski as their closer. Does that mean a team shouldn't aim to have a closer better than Joe Borowski?

The closer slot isn't nearly as important as the point guard position but your point (no pun intended) is well taken nonetheless.

[GGGG]

Maybe if they had a point guard who could shoot consistently they'd have gone to the Final Four.

All I am saying is that you don't NEED a PG that can shoot in this offense....as long as you are getting the shooting from other players.  So if Derrick can develop his game offensively, and either Todd gets more consistent and/or a freshman like JJJ or an off-ball-Duane steps up, he will be fine as the PG.

[willie warrior]

All I am saying is that you don't NEED a PG that can shoot in this offense....as long as you are getting the shooting from other players.  So if Derrick can develop his game offensively, and either Todd gets more consistent and/or a freshman like JJJ or an off-ball-Duane steps up, he will be fine as the PG.

I think you are wrong there Skink. In order to get to the next level, we do need a PG that can shoot in this offense. It will make our inside game more effective, and will win several more games. De. Wilson is not that answer, and is not Junior.

[GGGG]

I think you are wrong there Skink. In order to get to the next level, we do need a PG that can shoot in this offense. It will make our inside game more effective, and will win several more games. De. Wilson is not that answer, and is not Junior.

We were ONE GAME away from the Final Four last with no outside consistent shooting ability, from not just our point guard, but from our entire roster.

I would argue that if Vander shot more like Hardaway, Jr....or Lockett more like Luke Hancock...we very well could have been a Final Four team even with Junior as our point guard.  Hell, Louisville won the national championship with a point guard with a worse FG% than Junior!!!  And only a slightly better 3FG%.  (Both below 30%)

The simple answer always is "if we had better players we would play better," and yeah that would be nice.  But the real question to ask is "is it *necessary*...or is it simply a luxury that we don't have."  And I think a scoring point guard *isn't* a necessity IF you have the other pieces around him.

[mu03eng]

You think Jamil is going to be playing at the 2 sometimes?  Not sure about that, but for fun how would that line up look?  derrick, jamil, jameel, gardner and chris, that would be something to see

Derrick, Jamil, Taylor, Jameel, Otule....that's the line-up when Jamil plays the two and I guarantee it scares the bejesus out of teams.

[onepost]

Hope both qualify and are eligible when the season starts academically.

Go to the 30 second mark of this video and then try to convince all of us, for the 20th time, that Deonte Burton won't cut it academically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NAELrYTWJM

[mu-rara]

I think you are wrong there Skink. In order to get to the next level, we do need a PG that can shoot in this offense. It will make our inside game more effective, and will win several more games. De. Wilson is not that answer, and is not Junior.

Willie, you do NOT need scoring from every position.  Can you evaluate talent on anything but scoring.  Tony Miller was not a scorer.  Cordell Henry was not a scorer.

Brandon Jennings is a scorer, but he does not make anyone else better. 

[joe pop]

Derrick, Jamil, Taylor, Jameel, Otule....that's the line-up when Jamil plays the two and I guarantee it scares the bejesus out of teams.

That lineup wont happen.  I dont understand this fantasy to play a rediculously huge lineup just because its possible.

[mu03eng]

That lineup wont happen.  I dont understand this fantasy to play a rediculously huge lineup just because its possible.

Why won't it happen?  There is plenty of rebounding, scoring, and defense there.  Why wouldn't you do it?  That's Buzz's whole philosophy of a 1, a 5 and 3 switchables.  Besides how do you guard that line-up if you are the other team?