Update on Wardle allegations

[Archies Bat]

Green Bay forward Alec Brown told local radio station WNFL he was "very surprised" by the allegations, which he refuted.

"Honestly, I don't agree with the things that are being said," Brown said. "I've been there the longest of any of the guys, and I feel like if I had personally seen any of this happening, I wouldn't still be here. A lot of this stuff is not happening the way it seems that it is."

When asked whether he thinks his teammates are lying, Brown responded: "Yeah, I believe so."

I don't know the whole story, but:
- Players and parents making claims about coach
- Players indicating other players may be lying
- Not a good situation no matter the facts

[Warriors10]

ESPN Picked up the story

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9227839/ryan-bross-details-allegations-uw-green-bay-phoenix-coach-brian-wardle

Green Bay forward Alec Brown told local radio station WNFL he was "very surprised" by the allegations, which he refuted.

"Honestly, I don't agree with the things that are being said," Brown said. "I've been there the longest of any of the guys, and I feel like if I had personally seen any of this happening, I wouldn't still be here. A lot of this stuff is not happening the way it seems that it is."

When asked whether he thinks his teammates are lying, Brown responded: "Yeah, I believe so."

Of course that is how Brown is going to respond.  School wouldn't let him go on the radio if he was going to say anything different.

[mu_hilltopper]

Question .. the article states he was a walk-on .. but also, after telling them he was going to transfer "After that, he (Wardle) forces me to go to practice because he wouldn't give me my transfer" ..

Um .. if he's a walk-on, why does he need permission to transfer?  Plus, what's Wardle going to do, not let the kid play for freaking Concordia after he leaves? 

[4everwarriors]

Wardle will not survive this. The university will will can his sorry ass.

[TheTulsaWarrior]

This is worth listening to: Alec Brown, Keifer Sykes, and Prss Gazette's Rob Demovsky all joined the Maino and Nick show on WNFL this morning. Brown and Sykes strongly supporting Wardle. Very interesting stuff - A must listen to:

Alec - http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and...ns-show-43013/

Keifer - http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and...ns-show-43013/

Rob - http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and...ky-back-43013/

Link: http://www.phearthephoenix.proboards...#ixzz2RyxOhaGp

[ChicosBailBonds]

Question .. the article states he was a walk-on .. but also, after telling them he was going to transfer "After that, he (Wardle) forces me to go to practice because he wouldn't give me my transfer" ..

Um .. if he's a walk-on, why does he need permission to transfer?  Plus, what's Wardle going to do, not let the kid play for freaking Concordia after he leaves? 

Those were my questions also.  Plus, if he is a walk-on he could literally just stop going to practice, stop everything with the team.  What are they going to do?

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is worth listening to: Alec Brown, Keifer Sykes, and Prss Gazette's Rob Demovsky all joined the Maino and Nick show on WNFL this morning. Brown and Sykes strongly supporting Wardle. Very interesting stuff - A must listen to:

Alec - http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and...ns-show-43013/

Keifer - http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and...ns-show-43013/

Rob - http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and...ky-back-43013/

Link: http://www.phearthephoenix.proboards...#ixzz2RyxOhaGp

None of your links work

[Nukem2]

Those were my questions also.  Plus, if he is a walk-on he could literally just stop going to practice, stop everything with the team.  What are they going to do?

Yup, no one was forcing him to do anything.

[Warriors10]

The dilemma here as well is if you suspend him, you'll have people questioning just because of the Rice/Rutgers fall out.  Justified or not...

You lost the PR battle when ESPN picks it up and puts you in the same sentence as Rice and Rutgers.

[The Lens]

Since 1990, the only way a 4-year player for MU could miss the NCAAs was to enroll in the Fall of '97.  Brian was lucky enough to headline that class.  Oh LeDaryl.

[Blackhat]

Bross must have been doing the Majerus drill.

[TheTulsaWarrior]

http://wnflam.com/podcasts/maino-and-nick-show/keifer-sykes-joins-show-43013/

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/30/uw-green-bay-center-alec-brown-a-lot-of-the-stuff-thats-been-said-is-not-true/

[willie warrior]

The dilemma here as well is if you suspend him, you'll have people questioning just because of the Rice/Rutgers fall out.  Justified or not...

You lost the PR battle when ESPN picks it up and puts you in the same sentence as Rice and Rutgers.

Yep--and as everybody knows ESPN is the model of PC, except they are usually wrong when they go there.

[Warriors10]

Yep--and as everybody knows ESPN is the model of PC, except they are usually wrong when they go there.

Oh I wasn't saying ESPN was always correct, or nearly almost correct, that was not the point.  I was just saying that ESPN picked up the story and got it out to everybody outside of the 920 and 414 area codes and from there UW-GB will have a hard time making light of this situation.

[Doc]

Below is a tweet from former UWGB player and now color analyst for the GB radio broadcasts and the response from the Green Bay Press-Gazette reporter.

Sad to see where "journalism" has gone. Not what they taught me at MU. Apparently not at Kansas either... where my wife went to J-school. She was just as disappointed.

Cordero Barkley tweet: @ImCBarks: So in the age of leaks, gossips, etc. you are telling me GBPress Gazette ran a story with this significance with no other eyewitnesses to...

GB Press-Gazette reporter response: @RobDemovsky: @ImCBarks Not our job to corroborate. What he alleges is news. Nowhere does it say it's true. Just allegations. U r smart enuff to see that

[keefe]

GB Press-Gazette reporter response: @RobDemovsky: @ImCBarks Not our job to corroborate. What he alleges is news...Nowhere does it say it's true. Just allegations.

Good Lord that is shocking. I am dumbfounded a credible journalist would actually write that. In what way does this guy see himself as a responsible journalist?

[willie warrior]

Oh I wasn't saying ESPN was always correct, or nearly almost correct, that was not the point.  I was just saying that ESPN picked up the story and got it out to everybody outside of the 920 and 414 area codes and from there UW-GB will have a hard time making light of this situation.

Not criticizing you. ESPN actually believes they are the social conscience of today--except they usually get it wrong. There have been plenty of examples of their PC (Limbaugh, Kornheiser, now Broussard, and such fine examples as Lupica, Greenberg and Wilbon's pontificating). Yet, did they ever say much about Pitino's shenanigans? ESPN believes they are it when it comes to PC.

[GGGG]

Good Lord that is shocking. I am dumbfounded a credible journalist would actually write that. In what way does this guy see himself as a responsible journalist?

Demovsky is a very good journalist.  He was simply telling the player's side of the story.  It wasn't meant to be a definitive report.

[Doc]

Demovsky is a very good journalist.  He was simply telling the player's side of the story.  It wasn't meant to be a definitive report.

To say it's not a journalist's job to corroborate a story, however, seems more like the stance of the National Enquirer. Very poor choice of words, in my opinion.

[nyg]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/accusations-against-brian-wardle-true-then-job-jeopardy-172703736.html

Yahoo story today. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

To say it's not a journalist's job to corroborate a story, however, seems more like the stance of the National Enquirer. Very poor choice of words, in my opinion.

I think that's the follow-up story. I know that sort of sucks for Brian, but that's how it works.

The allegations were made. That is a fact. That was reported.

The outcome or truth of those allegations will come out and reported in subsequent stories.

Similar to reporting that a person was charged with a crime. It's not a journalists job to immediately find out if the person is guilty. It's just his job to report that the person was charged with a crime.

[Doc]

I think that's the follow-up story. I know that sort of sucks for Brian, but that's how it works.

The allegations were made. That is a fact. That was reported.

The outcome or truth of those allegations will come out and reported in subsequent stories.

Similar to reporting that a person was charged with a crime. It's not a journalists job to immediately find out if the person is guilty. It's just his job to report that the person was charged with a crime.

I understand. In my opinion, however, that (reporting the university is investigating charges against Wardle) was done in the initial story. This goes a lot deeper, and I think it's the reporter's job to do everything s/he can to ensure there's some basis to what s/he is reporting.

I understand Wardle isn't talking/can't talk, but I believe the reporter needs to do some investigating to get some of the other players to give their versions.

The reporter is saying he's following UWGB's process to request interviews with current players and is being denied, but that seems to be a little too easy of an answer for me.

In cases like this, I believe a reporter needs to do some investigating and try to get those quotes to either corroborate or refute the allegations being made – even if s/he is "violating" the university's policy for requesting interviews. The radio station did it live on the air.

It's a tough debate on how to handle. You can make arguments on both sides.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I understand. In my opinion, however, that (reporting the university is investigating charges against Wardle) was done in the initial story. This goes a lot deeper, and I think it's the reporter's job to do everything s/he can to ensure there's some basis to what s/he is reporting.

I understand Wardle isn't talking/can't talk, but I believe the reporter needs to do some investigating to get some of the other players to give their versions.

The reporter is saying he's following UWGB's process to request interviews with current players and is being denied, but that seems to be a little too easy of an answer for me.

In cases like this, I believe a reporter needs to do some investigating and try to get those quotes to either corroborate or refute the allegations being made – even if s/he is "violating" the university's policy for requesting interviews. The radio station did it live on the air.

It's a tough debate on how to handle. You can make arguments on both sides.

Your points are valid. The only thing I'll add is that these are amateur athletes, so I don't know if I like the idea of a reporter sneaking around the university's policies to see if they can get a kid to talk about an internal investigation.

These kids are not trained media reps, and they could easily misspeak and cause a lot of drama for no reason. Now, that's not necessarily the reporter's fault, but ultimately, reporters have to walk a fine line of who they should and shouldn't talk to, especially when it comes to young people.

It's case by case, I guess.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

In this day and age people are presumed guilty if Charged. . I thought the press was bound to corroborate their information or at least follow up with both sides. Don't see that much anymore

[Pakuni]

In this day and age people are presumed guilty if Charged. . I thought the press was bound to corroborate their information or at least follow up with both sides. Don't see that much anymore

Where do you see that these stories haven't sought/obtained comment from Wardle and UWGB officials?