Juan transferring

[Pakuni]

OR - get Black and convince him to redshirt this year and be the one year stopgap center in 2014 until the twin towers of Ellenson & Stone show up.  A guy can dream, right???

No convincing necessary. He'd have to sit out a year as a transfer.

[Aughnanure]

No convincing necessary. He'd have to sit out a year as a transfer.

Pretty sure I read he graduated and can play right away ala Lockett.

[willie warrior]

Does this really surprise anyone?  He's a 1st Teamer on the Erik Williams All-Stars.

Hmmmm.... From two sholaship players too many to about two more needed in 2 weeks. Pretty hard to keep up with this.

[jesmu84]

A few weeks ago I had an interesting conversation with some good friends that are still in college athletics 'biz'.  They said some interesting things about transfers in college hoops.  One called it an epidemic, the other was close.  Said the NCAA is wanting to crack down on it, but it isn't easy.

I asked why all the movement in their opinion.  Their belief in their experiences is playing time, but they also said it is because we have let this happen at the High School and AAU level.  We encourage kids to quit (move on) from their teams all the time at those levels and transfer to get more PT.  It's all about showcasing the athlete and if junior isn't getting enough playing time, he's encouraged to go to the next AAU team or a different high school.  Why would it be any different in college when this is what these kids are used to doing?  Part of today's environment.

I really enjoyed having a Californian on the squad, which is a rarity.  I remember I almost left after freshman year...it's tough being that far from home, but you stick it out.  Wish him the best...it won't be the last.  Unfortunate the level it has gotten to in college basketball.  

Although I understand the thinking, and really wish kids would stick it out for the team.. where's the same opinion about coaches? They get their time in the spotlight AND can leave whenever they want. I'm actually okay with letting a kid leave if they think they deserve the playing time somewhere else (if not at least because he didn't want to be here). It doesn't seem like quite the situation for Juan though, as he seems to want to be closer to family.

[willie warrior]

I read that as of yesterday, 225 college bb players had announced transfers this year so far.

Wow, and we have had thee of them. With about 300 plus D1 teams, we are over our quota.

[NavinRJohnson]

I buy the closer to home argument, but beyond that, players want to play. It's why there is so many transfers these days.  I think it is fair to say he wasnt going to get much chance to do either if he stayed here.

Good luck to Juan. hope he fonds the right place. Welcome Tarik Black. At this point I think I'd be a bit surprised if he didn't end up here. If so, MU just got better.

[NavinRJohnson]

Although I understand the thinking, and really wish kids would stick it out for the team.. where's the same opinion about coaches? They get their time in the spotlight AND can leave whenever they want. I'm actually okay with letting a kid leave if they think they deserve the playing time somewhere else (if not at least because he didn't want to be here). It doesn't seem like quite the situation for Juan though, as he seems to want to be closer to family.

Exactly right. I have long thought coaches and players should be bound by the same movement restrictions.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Although I understand the thinking, and really wish kids would stick it out for the team.. where's the same opinion about coaches? They get their time in the spotlight AND can leave whenever they want. I'm actually okay with letting a kid leave if they think they deserve the playing time somewhere else (if not at least because he didn't want to be here). It doesn't seem like quite the situation for Juan though, as he seems to want to be closer to family.

I didn't ask them, but I'm sure the common sense answer is that if you let players move without penalty, you would have mass chaos and teams stacked each year as players were cut on a whim because the guy the next campus over can take his spot without penalty.  It would destroy college athletics. 

Coaches are employees, student athletes are not. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Exactly right. I have long thought coaches and players should be bound by the same movement restrictions.

Exactly wrong.  Coaches are employees and enjoy the rights of such arrangement.  Student athletes are not employees.  Thus the restrictions are different. 


Think it through for a second what you are really saying, I think you'll come around.

A coach can leave in the middle of a season just like any other employee can.  Should a player be able to leave after the 7th game and then play his 8th game down the road for Kentucky?   Maybe his 15th game for Tulsa?

Those are the rules going into.  Just as players know the rules when they go into and sign a letter of intent. 

[96warrior]

ROFL....yeah and he wanted to screw Ferguson in his transfer by not playing him? What did Juan show to schools in the times that he played that would be valuable besides his hustle?

Ferguson hardly saw the court at all the entire year. Juan saw it quite a bit, and played very well, early on and then seemed to hit his ceiling. Maybe Juan showed more in practice. Far out theory but I did wonder in the past month or so why Juan was getting so much playing time.

[We R Final Four]

If you told me a month ago that three players were going to transfer/leave I would have never believed that T Mayo was not going to be one of them. 

[connie]

I really liked Juan.  Only spoke to him for a few minutes but seemed like a quality young man.  Wish him all the best.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I just fin this one really odd because it seems like he really loved Marquette. He was always playing pic up backetball games at the rec, he showed up to relay for life just the other day with Vander and D Wil and even his HS jerseys were based off of the MU design. Always liked Juan. Best of luck to him.

[chapman]

I just fin this one really odd because it seems like he really loved Marquette. He was always playing pic up backetball games at the rec, he showed up to relay for life just the other day with Vander and D Wil and even his HS jerseys were based off of the MU design. Always liked Juan. Best of luck to him.

Yep, even remember that he was so excited to come to MU (and didn't mind the distance) that he paid his own way to make a trip in to Madness.  I suppose things change for every kid between these ages. 

[NavinRJohnson]

Exactly wrong.  Coaches are employees and enjoy the rights of such arrangement.  Student athletes are not employees.  Thus the restrictions are different. 


Think it through for a second what you are really saying, I think you'll come around.

A coach can leave in the middle of a season just like any other employee can.  Should a player be able to leave after the 7th game and then play his 8th game down the road for Kentucky?   Maybe his 15th game for Tulsa?

Those are the rules going into.  Just as players know the rules when they go into and sign a letter of intent. 

Fine. They know the rules going in. Doesn't  mean those rules are fair or appropriate. Never said you can't put limits on it, but they should be the same. If players need to sit out a year, coaches should have to sit out a year. If coaches can move from one school to another between seasons, players should be able to do the same. The current eligibility/graduation rule is at least a step in the right direction.

As usual, your concern is focused on yourself/the college BBall fan, vs. the players who make it all happen. Anyway, not the topic, so i wont argue further. you are free to have the last word.

[mr.MUskie]

I buy the closer to home argument, but beyond that, players want to play. It's why there is so many transfers these days.  I think it is fair to say he wasnt going to get much chance to do either if he stayed here.

Good luck to Juan. hope he fonds the right place. Welcome Tarik Black. At this point I think I'd be a bit surprised if he didn't end up here. If so, MU just got better.

Why is that?

[jesmu84]

Exactly wrong.  Coaches are employees and enjoy the rights of such arrangement.  Student athletes are not employees.  Thus the restrictions are different. 


Think it through for a second what you are really saying, I think you'll come around.

A coach can leave in the middle of a season just like any other employee can.  Should a player be able to leave after the 7th game and then play his 8th game down the road for Kentucky?   Maybe his 15th game for Tulsa?

Those are the rules going into.  Just as players know the rules when they go into and sign a letter of intent. 

Just because a system is in place, doesn't mean it's the most fair system. It also doesn't mean that system doesn't need tweaking when it's obvious that the balance is skewed.

[NavinRJohnson]

Why is that?

Nothing more than smoke = fire, given the situation, history, etc. I don't know that it's going to happen by any means, but simply will be mildly surprised if it doesn't. That's all.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fine. They know the rules going in. Doesn't  mean those rules are fair or appropriate. Never said you can't put limits on it, but they should be the same. If players need to sit out a year, coaches should have to sit out a year. If coaches can move from one school to another between seasons, players should be able to do the same. The current eligibility/graduation rule is at least a step in the right direction.

As usual, your concern is focused on yourself/the college BBall fan, vs. the players who make it all happen. Anyway, not the topic, so i wont argue further. you are free to have the last word.

Lots of rules are deemed unfair.  Why do I have to pay taxes at a higher rate than someone else?  Why do some people pay no taxes at all?  Why can some NFL players leave in free agency while others are franchised?  We could play that game until the cows come home.  Them is the rules.  Now, I don't disagree with you if we think they are wrong, unfair, etc, then change them but my guess is that is going nowhere.

Why are you applying the same standard for two different groups.  A coach is an employee.  A student athlete is not.  Why should the rules be the same? 

[jesmu84]

 

I didn't ask them, but I'm sure the common sense answer is that if you let players move without penalty, you would have mass chaos and teams stacked each year as players were cut on a whim because the guy the next campus over can take his spot without penalty.  It would destroy college athletics. 

Coaches are employees, student athletes are not. 

I never said the players should be able to move without penalty. But why should coaches get free reign to abandon kids/schools when it suits them, but players are vilified if they leave for a better opportunity (not to mention punishing them for trying to better their situation) or even if they leave due to serious reasons (family issues, etc.)

[ZiggysFryBoy]

re-read the release from MU.  for once, they state the truth in a release.

This isn't a buzzcut in any way, shape or form.

[EnderWiggen]

I'll just echo what everyone else is saying.  

Really sad to see this kid go.  His energy was infectious and it really seemed like he loved MU.  Everything i heard about him suggested that he displayed qualities that deserved a lot of respect, such as his work ethic, character, personality, and focus on academics.  I want people who represent Marquette (athletes and non-athletes) to hold these qualities.

Regarding his basketball ability, i don't think we are losing a ton, but i do think we are losing something good.  Did i see him being an amazing player in his time here?  No.  But i think he could have shaped up to be a pretty darn good player that i wouldn't mind having on the roster.

That said, i recognize that he had to do what is best for him.  Whether he wanted to be closer to family or simply wanted more playing time, i understand.  And i sincerely wish him the best because he seemed like a great kid and he represented our program very well.

[jesmu84]

The current eligibility/graduation rule is at least a step in the right direction.

Ironic you say that as the NCAA is trying to get rid of this "loophole"

[NavinRJohnson]

Why are you applying the same standard for two different groups.  A coach is an employee.  A student athlete is not.

They should be. That's the problem. I hear all the time how they don't need to be paid, because they are richly rewarded with scholarship, etc. so which is it?

Rules are rules doesn't fly with me. But again, we've had this discussion before. This thread can remain about Juan Anderson (and dare I say Tarik Black).

[NavinRJohnson]

Ironic you say that as the NCAA is trying to get rid of this "loophole"

I know. Must be working out to well for the players, and cutting into the coaches/universities business.