5th Annual FFC Day

[keefe]

Dude they cut down the nets and had a big celebration so they sure as hell acted like it was one

Don't you know how far that program came back from?!!?

[Dish]

I am much more in favor of celebrating post season success than regular season success. When I look back on this year, I'll think much more of MU being in the Elite 8 then I will of MU co-winning the Big East.

If a place like IU starts hanging their hats on Big 10 titles and getting bounced as a one seed in the Sweet Sixteen, have fun with that.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I am much more in favor of celebrating post season success than regular season success. When I look back on this year, I'll think much more of MU being in the Elite 8 then I will of MU co-winning the Big East.

If a place like IU starts hanging their hats on Big 10 titles and getting bounced as a one seed in the Sweet Sixteen, have fun with that.

Sounds like a UW fan's idea of a celebration

[Sir Lawrence]

I noticed that at the Verizon Center that Georgetown has all it's Final Four appearances on one banner. 

[mu-rara]

They just won a Big Ten championship....doh

Sounds like Badger fans defending BoBo.

[MerrittsMustache]

Sounds like Badger fans defending BoBo.

The NCAA Tournament is all luck. Don't you remember that gem?

[mu-rara]

The NCAA Tournament is all luck. Don't you remember that gem?

Yeah, I was just waiting for it.

[jesmu84]

The NCAA Tournament is all luck. Don't you remember that gem?

It's all about matchups and lucky seeding. Even if you're the clearly better team, and supposed to win the games, it's totally ok if you lose because luck.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I am much more in favor of celebrating post season success than regular season success. When I look back on this year, I'll think much more of MU being in the Elite 8 then I will of MU co-winning the Big East.

If a place like IU starts hanging their hats on Big 10 titles and getting bounced as a one seed in the Sweet Sixteen, have fun with that.

Duke, North Carolina, Indiana, etc, etc, all hang banners for conference titles. Personally, I find it odd that a team like Florida Gulf Coast University can lose to Mercer, Lipscomb twice, Stetson, etc...not even win their conference but have a nice run at the end of the season and that trumps all.   If you win your regular season, you've done something special over the long haul. 

If not, then why did everyone here get excited over the a Big East title if it isn't going to mean anything?  Why bother playing for conference championships?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yeah, that worked out really well for them in the end...

It's an accomplishment for an entire season.  Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything?  That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.

Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not my idea of a fun weekend. To each their own.

As for "Real" military guys here's what we did for a living:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvedYbmvTM

I know a couple of those KIAs. Killed in an ambush in Anbar, Jun 05. A lot more real than the "real military guys" who supposedly went jet skiing with you.

To each their own is exactly right.  Many of the guys we were with were retired LAPD, SDPD, military, etc.  We had a great time.  We like getting out in the water, have our drinks on and generally having a great time.

If you think that's white trash, that's fine.  Those fine military folks, law enforcement types would beg to differ, as would I and their families.

Unfortunately back home, short 3 day binge out there, but had to get home for the kids sports activities.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

[keefe]

To each their own is exactly right.  Many of the guys we were with were retired LAPD, SDPD, military, etc.  We had a great time.  We like getting out in the water, have our drinks on and generally having a great time.

If you think that's white trash, that's fine.  Those fine military folks, law enforcement types would beg to differ, as would I and their families.

Unfortunately back home, short 3 day binge out there, but had to get home for the kids sports activities.

I guess when you are used to going 1,500 MPH in 3D then zipping along the waves at 20 MPH in 2D just ain't that much fun. Obviously your "Real" military friends aren't fighter pilots.

How the hell are you tight with retired cops and military? 

[MerrittsMustache]

It's an accomplishment for an entire season.  Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything?  That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.

Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.

A conference championship is quite the accomplishment. However, IU would trade seasons with Michigan in a split second.

Think MVC champ Creighton would take their season over Wichita State's?

Would you rather MU won the conference and lost in the E8 or finished 5th and was playing this weekend?

[Dish]

It's an accomplishment for an entire season.  Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything?  That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.

Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.

We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.

Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.

[hairy worthen]

It's an accomplishment for an entire season.  Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything?  That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.

Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.

If your boy Crean would have finished 5th in the Big ten, but then went to the final four, you would have said the final four is a much bigger deal than winning the conference championship.  Isn't that right? 

[NavinRJohnson]

We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.

Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.

While, winning a conf championship is a very good thing, I think this is right. Ultimately what MU being in the Elite Eight meant to me, was four games  (high profile/high stakes games), that provided four opportunities to hang out with friends and family, drinking beer, eating chicken, and pulling for the same thing. A scene duplicated  all over the country. The exposure, all that stuff is great, but the community aspect, the uniqueness of the NCAA tournament is what sticks.

The Witchita St and Georgetown examples are spot on.

[Silkk the Shaka]

We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.

Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.

UConn finished 9-9 in conference, tied with us in 2011.  We were the last two Big East teams out of 11 standing in the tournament, with them going on to win the whole thing.  Both teams got the last laugh, as they were battle tested and built for the tournament better.

[MerrittsMustache]

UConn finished 9-9 in conference, tied with us in 2011.  We were the last two Big East teams out of 11 standing in the tournament, with them going on to win the whole thing.  Both teams got the last laugh, as they were battle tested and built for the tournament better.

Yeah, but I bet the Pitt fans never let them hear the end of it about the Panthers winning the Big East that season!

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I guess when you are used to going 1,500 MPH in 3D then zipping along the waves at 20 MPH in 2D just ain't that much fun. Obviously your "Real" military friends aren't fighter pilots.

How the hell are you tight with retired cops and military? 

The same way he still has "sources" at Marquette when he last worked there around 1997...he doesn't.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If your boy Crean would have finished 5th in the Big ten, but then went to the final four, you would have said the final four is a much bigger deal than winning the conference championship.  Isn't that right? 

He ain't my boy....he's the former coach of my alma mater, Marquette, where he rebuilt the program, got us great talent, graduated players, won a conference title, got us to a Final Four and into the Big East.  He is now the coach of another alma mater, and helped deliver the first Big Ten conference title outright in 20+ years.

I would have said he had a successful post season and a so-so regular season.  In 2003, we won the conference title and went to the Final Four.  We had a great regular season and great post season. Similar to what happened this year under Buzz.

[ChicosBailBonds]

We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.

Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.

I would trade a Final Four appearance for a Big East title as well.  I would not trade a Sweet 16 appearance for it.  But you're talking about something totally different anyway.  I'm talking about sustained success over the season vs getting hot four four games.  In 2003, we did both.  That was a magical regular season with a magical post season.

As for your second question, there are posters here that absolutely do not remember (or refuse to acknowledge) that we throttled #1 Kentucky but only remember us losing to #1 seed Kansas a week later.  Strange.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The same way he still has "sources" at Marquette when he last worked there around 1997...he doesn't.

Actually worked there longer than that by several years, but imagine PRN having his facts wrong....again.  You're right, no one still works there from the early 2000's, in Athletics or in other parts of the university.  You're right, big donors and sponsors of the program then aren't still big donors and sponsors of the program today. 

Cough, cough....you sure know your stuff....as usual.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

I guess when you are used to going 1,500 MPH in 3D then zipping along the waves at 20 MPH in 2D just ain't that much fun. Obviously your "Real" military friends aren't fighter pilots.

How the hell are you tight with retired cops and military? 

No, in fact they weren't.  Most were marine corp or army.  One navy.  Tight because that's what I grew up with, FD and PD up and down the neighborhoods and have remained friends.  Many of the sons, my childhood buddies, got into the same profession...cops, firefighters, military.

Good people, certainly not white trash as you suggested.

[keefe]

He ain't my boy....he's the former coach of my alma mater, Marquette, where he rebuilt the program, got us great talent, graduated players, won a conference title, got us to a Final Four and into the Big East.  He is now the coach of another alma mater, and helped deliver the first Big Ten conference title outright in 20+ years.

I would have said he had a successful post season and a so-so regular season.  In 2003, we won the conference title and went to the Final Four.  We had a great regular season and great post season. Similar to what happened this year under Buzz.

And left Marquette under the cover of darkness...not nearly man enough to do the right thing. His treachery is not nearly as shameful as his cowardice.