New league by endowment

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just thought it interesting.  National rank and dollars in endowment EOY 2011.  I haven't seen a 2012 list yet.

Personally, I've never been that thrilled with our endowment (insert joke here), likely because the other schools I went to were larger, plus the schools out here in the west have such huge numbers.  Compared to the rest of our league, however, MU doing very well.  The ranking I have goes to 840 colleges

63.   Georgetown $1.160 Billion
168.  Marquette  $401 Million
178.  Creighton   $375 Million
181.  Villanova    $370 Million
185.  St. John's   $359 Million
191.  DePaul       $348 Million
248.  Seton Hall   $232 Million
305.  Provicence  $164 Million
315.  Butler        $158 Million
373.  Xavier        $120 Million


If Richmond joins, they are 33rd.  SLU is 87th.  Dayton 164th.

[cven7]

Honest question - How much of an effect does endowment size have on athletic performance of a university?   On academic performance?

[BlindboyPatSmith]

Honest question - How much of an effect does endowment size have on athletic performance of a university?   On academic performance?

I have been told the size of the endowment greatly affects the performance.....but I could have been lied to.....

[MDMU04]

Its not so much the size of the endowment that matters. Its pretty much all in how it's used.

[BlindboyPatSmith]

Its not so much the size of the endowment that matters. Its pretty much all in how it's used.

Sure...keep telling yourself that....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Honest question - How much of an effect does endowment size have on athletic performance of a university?   On academic performance?

Well, hard to say.  Certainly the top academic schools in the country have the highest endowments almost without question.  The top 100 endowments are pretty much your top 100 schools in the country with a few exceptions here and there.  Many of the top athletic programs, as well, are in that list but the distribution is broader.  More than anything it gives a school stability, prestige, power (you are more coveted), etc.

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2011NCSEPublicTablesEndowmentMarketValues319.pdf

[Aughnanure]

Just thought it interesting.  National rank and dollars in endowment EOY 2011.  I haven't seen a 2012 list yet.

Personally, I've never been that thrilled with our endowment (insert joke here), likely because the other schools I went to were larger, plus the schools out here in the west have such huge numbers.  Compared to the rest of our league, however, MU doing very well.  The ranking I have goes to 840 colleges

63.   Georgetown $1.160 Billion
168.  Marquette  $401 Million
178.  Creighton   $375 Million
181.  Villanova    $370 Million
185.  St. John's   $359 Million
191.  DePaul       $348 Million
248.  Seton Hall   $232 Million
305.  Provicence  $164 Million
315.  Butler        $158 Million
373.  Xavier        $120 Million


If Richmond joins, they are 33rd.  SLU is 87th.  Dayton 164th.

Public.....

[Eldon]

Father Wild's goal was to get MU up to $1B before he left.  Also, Dr. Giacomino once told our class that ND can fund everything with its endowment and tuition is almost ancillary.  Also, I know investors watch Yale university's endowment as an important indicator of the market and a guide to key investments.

That's basically everything I have ever known about endowments.

[Jay Bee]

I have been told the size of the endowment greatly affects the performance.....but I could have been lied to.....

It's certainly helped Northwestern hoops.

[GGGG]

Just thought it interesting.  National rank and dollars in endowment EOY 2011.  I haven't seen a 2012 list yet.

Personally, I've never been that thrilled with our endowment (insert joke here), likely because the other schools I went to were larger, plus the schools out here in the west have such huge numbers. 

Its a Catholic school thing.  By and large Catholic institutions didn't have the need for a huge endowment until the last 30 years or so.  They have had contributed services (by priests and nuns), a steady stream of students, and by and large didn't focus much on research.  (Which is what endowed professorships are generally used to attract professors for.)  Marquette's endowment has grown tremendously over the past few decades though.

[GGGG]

Well, hard to say.  Certainly the top academic schools in the country have the highest endowments almost without question.  The top 100 endowments are pretty much your top 100 schools in the country with a few exceptions here and there.  Many of the top athletic programs, as well, are in that list but the distribution is broader.  More than anything it gives a school stability, prestige, power (you are more coveted), etc.

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2011NCSEPublicTablesEndowmentMarketValues319.pdf

Endowments provide resources to certain area of the university, freeing up resources to be used elsewhere...like athletics.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Public.....

Yes, public and larger alumni base usually means more $$.

There are some private schools ahead of us that we need to pass up.  Dayton, SLU, etc.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Change the name back to warriors and we can get to $1 billion.   

[GGGG]

Public universities have traditionally had smaller endowments because of the public support.  As that has faded, the need for endowments have meant a greater focus.

[Aughnanure]

Yes, public and larger alumni base usually means more $$.

There are some private schools ahead of us that we need to pass up.  Dayton, SLU, etc.

There's been a pretty sizable and consistent increase ever since they began putting a lot of emphasis on it if I'm remembering correctly.

[4everwarriors]

Sure...keep telling yourself that....

BeeJay can verify that.

[mr.MUskie]

Change the name back to warriors and we can get to $1 billion.   

+1

[forgetful]

Universities use profits off endowments to fund much of the University.  The key is they usually use a 3-year running average of investment profits (off endowment) to set their budget.  The last economic downturn then really ate into the bottom line of most Universities, just starting to improve because of the 3-year average.

The problem is that, because of how bad the last downturn was for Universities, they are changing their investment strategies to be much more conservative (therefore low return and low budgets), so there isn't much improvement budget wise.

Big endowments, usually mean big pockets out there.  Universities that have big endowments can usually also raise funds much easier, thereby allowing them to increase Endowment to maintain a profit level even during the downturn/conservative investing.  Universities like MU are then hit much harder, since they don't have a large endowment, and a foundation of dedicated donors.

[Knight Commission]

Harvard's increase in endowment from 2010 to 2011, was about 10x, MU's entire endowment.

[classof70]

SLU's endowment is in the $850 to $900 million range.  Much bigger than MU's.

[Tugg Speedman]

Largest endowments

- Harvard University, $30.4 billion
- Yale University, $19.3 billion
- University of Texas system, $18.2 billion
- Stanford University, $17 billion
- Princeton University, $16.9 billion
- MIT, $10.1 billion
- University of Michigan, $7.6 billion
- Columbia University, $6.5 billion
- Texas A&M University system, $7.6 billion
- Northwestern University, $7.1 billion
- University of Pennsylvania, $6.7 billion
- University of Chicago, $6.5 billion
- University of Notre Dame, $6.3 billion
- University of California, $5.9 billion
- Duke University, $5.5 billion
- Emory University, $5.4 billion
- Washington University in St. Louis, $5.2 billion
- Cornell University, $4.9 billion
- University of Virginia, $4.7 billion
- Rice University $4.4 billion

At Harvard and Yale you can go tuition free if your family makes less than $50,000 ... And in some cases less than $100,000. 

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

My girlfriend's father (a Badger) claims regularly that UW is second only to Harvard in endowment size

[Dawson Rental]

Endowments provide resources to certain area of the university, freeing up resources to be used elsewhere...like athletics.

So why were you telling me that endowment was irrelevant when I mentioned Richmond's endowment as a positive for them joining the league? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

My girlfriend's father (a Badger) claims regularly that UW is second only to Harvard in endowment size

They are 34th, not even close to Harvard

[warriorchick]

At Harvard and Yale you can go tuition free if your family makes less than $50,000 ... And in some cases less than $100,000. 

I believe at Princeton, they make sure everyone with financial need gets either grants or scholarships.  They don't use loans as part of their financial aid package.