NY Post: Butler, Dayton, Xavier to Big East 2013. SLU & Creighton 2014.

[Chips]

Nowhere does it say that Dayton is better than Butler basketball-wise, and Creighton is better than the schools listed as a program.  Relax.

[Henry Sugar]

I work in spreadsheets pretty much every day.  Here is my assessment:

[Eldon]

Man, I have GOT to give props to Jersey guy.  He said weeks ago that the meeting would be Wednesday (today) and that the new members would be priority in discussion.  

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I'm sorry, are you asking us to take seriously an analysis that has Dayton ranked as a better basketball program than Butler, and Creighton ranked ahead of Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier and Villanova?

The in-depth "analysis" consists of ranking the basketball teams on their W-L record this year, including non-conf cupcakes.  By that measure Dayton is behind Albany, Kent St, E Carolina, Wright St, Gardener-Webb, and Elon (which, to be honest, I did not know was a university), and tied with Texas-Arlington.

[The Process]

Nowhere does it say that Dayton is better than Butler basketball-wise, and Creighton is better than the schools listed as a program.  Relax.

So... how does Dayton "more than hold their own?"

[MU B2002]

Nowhere does it say that Dayton is better than Butler basketball-wise

Except the line where it ranks the schools simply based on overall average ranking.  

[buckchuckler]

So... how does Dayton "more than hold their own?"

Cmon dude. Their women's bball team is killer!  That is the real issue here.  Plus Dayton beat us like 6 years ago.  That totally makes MU afraid of them. 

[Pakuni]

Did you even look at the sheet? 

How exactly do you think I would have known the rankings if I didn't look at the sheet?
It's a stupid, lazy analysis because it gives all factors - from graduation rate to attendance to tournament appearances - equal weight, when obviously they are not equal.
Even worse, it compares factors without any context. I mean, yeah, Creighton does have a better winning pct. than Georgetown over the last decade. But do you think it might matter just a bit that Georgetown spent the last decade in the Big East while Creighton played in the Missouri Valley?

I'm sure whoever put that together spent a lot of time on it and thinks they're really smart. They're not.

[Chips]

Except the line where it ranks the schools simply based on overall average ranking.  

Again, read the sheet.  That is based on overall athletic department performance counting in olympic sports and academics.  Obviously Men's basketball is by far most important, but overall Dayton's athletic department is very comparable.

[buckchuckler]

I love that the chart used winning percentage.  It is like the teams were playing equivalent schedules.  

^  Hmm beat me to it.  Oh well. 

[Pakuni]

Nowhere does it say that Dayton is better than Butler basketball-wise

Except where it has "Men's basketball only rank."
Did you even look at the sheet?

[shoothoops]

The in-depth "analysis" consists of ranking the basketball teams on their W-L record this year, including non-conf cupcakes.  By that measure Dayton is behind Albany, Kent St, E Carolina, Wright St, Gardener-Webb, and Elon (which, to be honest, I did not know was a university), and tied with Texas-Arlington.

Another thing that the spreadsheet does, is intentionally start the comparison in a year Dayton made the NCAA tourney, not prior nor since.  

[The Process]

Except where it has "Men's basketball only rank."
Did you even look at the sheet?

So you're saying that a team that barely got the 12th seed in the A10 is 6th in the new Big East?

Well, it's 5 o'clock somewhere...

[buckchuckler]

Just for the record.  I don't think Dayton has beaten Xavier at Xavier in like 30+ years.  Supposedly that is a really intense rivalry. 

[Eldon]

Where is Richmond in this spreadsheet?  It is titled "prospective" members analysis.  Richmond is (was?) a prospect.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

http://blackburnreview.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new-big-east-analysis-v4-0.pdf

Dayton more than holds their own in the new Big East

And why aren't you including Women's Golf, eh?  Answer me that!

Its just the sort of cherry picked shoddy analysis we've come to expect from UDPride

[MU B2002]

Just for the record.  I don't think Dayton has beaten Xavier at Xavier in like 30+ years.  Supposedly that is a really intense rivalry. 

UWM is first alternate based on their intense rivalry with Marquette.

[tower912]

If this turns out to be true, then congratulations and welcome to Dayton.   Apparently, the powers that be decided to take a Flyer on you.    Let's hope it works out. 

[JakeBarnes]

If this turns out to be true, then congratulations and welcome to Dayton.   Apparently, the powers that be decided to take a Flyer on you.    Let's hope it works out. 

HEYOOOOOOOOO

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

In Dayton's defense, they seem to have good attendance for being a non-tourny team.

Give them an improved schedule (in the new conference) and they should be able to draw really well.

If that translates to success, I have not idea... but it's a start.

[Eldon]

Check out what these guys on the Xavier board are saying

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?24535-Catholic-7-News/page66

and also see Page 67

One guy makes a good point--Murdoch owns FOX and the NY Post (some evidence, how ever little, that the story is legit).  However, nobody has ever mentioned Dayton as the 10th team (some evidence that the guy made up Dayton, a la the Post Siena-Detroit).  This guy says he has sources that say dayton is "shocking" to them.  Take it for what it's worth.

[Dawson Rental]

I don't expect Creighton to do well (at least initially) in the new Beast especially w McDermott out of the picture.  Their schedule (and conference) is filled with cupcake's filling.  Dayton used to have a good program.  What happened?  It's too bad Loyola is a shadow of what they were in the late 60's since it woul be great to have another Jesuit school rivalry.  
When's the last time Loyola of Chicago was name dropped on this (or any) message board?!?

Maybe never since their last shot at glory was in the preinternet era when they got to the sweet sixteen behind "the man with three first names", Alfredrick Hughes.

[GGGG]

http://blackburnreview.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new-big-east-analysis-v4-0.pdf

Dayton more than holds their own in the new Big East

Nice criteria...women's volleyball record...men's soccer record...

Seriously, all that is nice but ultimately irrelevant.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I work in spreadsheets pretty much every day.  Here is my assessment:

Did you need a special macro to run that one Lance?

[GGGG]

Again, read the sheet.  That is based on overall athletic department performance counting in olympic sports and academics.  Obviously Men's basketball is by far most important, but overall Dayton's athletic department is very comparable.

Let me be more clear.  No one cares about your volleyball program when it comes to expansion.