ND scrambling for a home - Irish eyes are crying

[Tugg Speedman]

Curious ... if Duke was looking for a one-year rental, would you take them or turn them down for the same reason?

[hairy worthen]

Curious ... if Duke was looking for a one-year rental, would you take them or turn them down for the same reason?

It has nothing to do with hatred for ND. No I wouldnt take Duke or anyone else under those circumstances. Hopefully the conference will be viable for many many years, that is the point of forming it. We shouldn't sell out for a quick one night stand.

[Tugg Speedman]

weak, unstable and a bunch of money grabbers

Several posters have said this.  To me this is meaningless BS.  

Please explain like you're talking to a 13 year old how taking ND for one year, not having to shell out 100k for another buyout game, getting one more sellout game (if we get them at home), increasing your SoS and getting even more attention to a startup conference is bad?

[keefe]

It has nothing to do with hatred for ND. No I wouldnt take Duke or anyone else under those circumstances. Hopefully the conference will be viable for many many years, that is the point of forming it. We shouldn't sell out for a quick one night stand.

Exactly. We're not the hooker on the corner. Stability is a precious commodity and UND already let us know their thoughts on affiliating with us. Anyhow, Katz is saying if the C7 start this Fall then so too will UND and UL.

[hairy worthen]

Several posters have said this.  To me this is meaningless BS.  

Please explain like you're talking to a 13 year old how taking ND for one year, not having to shell out 100k for another buyout game, getting one more sellout game (if we get them at home), increasing your SoS and getting even more attention to a startup conference is bad?

You are absolutely correct, it will be better financially at first. But, You have a startup conference that broke away from a national power conference because it was unstable and there was no certainty.  Then the very first year the new conference is in existence we take a team that is leaving after the first year of the new conference play just so we can make more money. Does that sound hypocritical to you?  That's not the type of attention we want.

[hairy worthen]

Exactly. We're not the hooker on the corner. Stability is a precious commodity and UND already let us know their thoughts on affiliating with us. Anyhow, Katz is saying if the C7 start this Fall then so too will UND and UL.

That is part of the deal as I understand, that ul and nd get the hell out and start acc play next season as well. Thats good, I say.

[chapman]

Curious ... if Duke was looking for a one-year rental, would you take them or turn them down for the same reason?

I couldn't be objective because I like Duke basketball and attend a few games each year, just as you're not being objective because of your love of ND.  If it were St. John's that was going to the ACC and needed a home for one year, would you let them in?  If this was a football conference I'd be all about a one year gig, but Notre Dame basketball is nothing special that we need a quick money grab that's immaterial in the long run.

[muwarrior69]

Does Fox want them?

[MUCam]

Palpable arrogance? Michigan?

Aren't Michigan and palpable arrogance synonyms?

[brewcity77]

So, we leave a conference with no stability, and the first thing you want to do is take on a one-year rental?

Here's why I take Notre Dame...

1) Loyalty. I fully believe Notre Dame helped get Marquette and DePaul into the Big East in the first place. Repaying that is good karma. Leaving them out in the cold is similar to the idiots who think we should try to ditch DePaul, completely forgetting how powerhouse DePaul basically dragged a moribund Marquette into the Great Midwest some 20 years ago, and without DePaul doing that there is no way we are where we are today.

2) Saving costs. We won't get a great boost from adding Dayton or St. Louis a year earlier. Take a school that can handle their own buyout costs, will almost certainly earn a NCAA berth, and improve everyone's RPI. In addition, that allows us to add whichever other three schools we choose with an extra year taken off their buyout, smoothing their road into the Big East in 2014.

3) I hate Notre Dame. And I really, really LOVE hating Notre Dame. Just like I love hating Wisconsin. But it's hard to maintain a hate when you don't play a team. This would guarantee two more games with the Irish in a year where Marquette is projected to have their strongest team in over a decade. Let's beat them twice and send them to the ACC with a 3-game losing streak to Marquette.

4) We don't know exactly who we want for 10, 11, and 12. Taking Notre Dame allows us a little more time to hash out who will be the best fits between VCU, St. Louis, Dayton, Creighton, Richmond, and any other schools we might be considering.

5) I definitely want a long-term home-and-home with ND. Doing them a favor now will likely help improve the odds of that happening.

6) Maybe they'll come back. Let me say before anyone jumps on this I do not at all expect this to happen. But if the ACC takes a severe tumble and loses 5 programs, maybe the Irish will be in a position where their SOS with the 5 mandated ACC games isn't enough to get into the new football playoff. Maybe they will lose some of their bowl links, reducing Notre Dame's ability to get into top non-playoff bowls. If they did decide to go back to full football independence, they might need a conference for their basketball and non-revenue sports. I would love to keep that line of communication open.

Bottom line, adding Notre Dame is NOT the same as adding UConn or Cincy. We would know the terms and know they wouldn't be shaking up our league because of their football. It helps solidify a long-term relationship and keeps the door open for the future while also making it easier to iron out the last 3 teams in 2014.

[real chili 83]

For me they are my college football team.  Root for them all the time when they are not going against MU.

The school I cannot stand and have no use for is UW.  To me its just a giant community college.

As usual around here this comment will generate even more ND hate and UW love/justifications ...

You need to turn in your diploma.

[badgerbldg]

For me they are my college football team.  Root for them all the time when they are not going against MU.

The school I cannot stand and have no use for is UW.  To me its just a giant community college.

As usual around here this comment will generate even more ND hate and UW love/justifications ...

Only an MU grad who is a Notre Dame fan would make a post calling UW, one of the top 20 universities in the whole WORLD, a community college. I went to Madison for a semester and figured I couldn't cut it so I transferred to Marquette and graduated summa cum laude in business and cum laude in law. Notre Dame is a legacy filled joke of a school where the brightest kid was that football player who got scammed into thinking he bagged a babe..

[forgetful]

Only an MU grad who is a Notre Dame fan would make a post calling UW, one of the top 20 universities in the whole WORLD, a community college. I went to Madison for a semester and figured I couldn't cut it so I transferred to Marquette and graduated summa cum laude in business and cum laude in law. Notre Dame is a legacy filled joke of a school where the brightest kid was that football player who got scammed into thinking he bagged a babe..

Ummm, I know people that couldn't get into MU that went to UW and posted 3.5-4.0's.  If what you post is true then my guess would be after spending a semester on State St, you got your act together and focused on school. 

2nd UW is not a top 20 University in the world.  That is laughable.  In fact it isn't even top 20 in the US.

Also interesting that a person who went to school at MU for undergrad and grad school has the name badgerbldg, troll much.

[Montana Warrior]

Start a new thread or get a room if you want to create a badger lovefest.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Using USNWR's rankings, UW is falling every year.  And they keep losing their top professors b/c other schools are poaching them away.  Plus the freakin campus smells like cowshit for most of the year.

[keefe]

Only an MU grad who is a Notre Dame fan would make a post calling UW, one of the top 20 universities in the whole WORLD, a community college. I went to Madison for a semester and figured I couldn't cut it so I transferred to Marquette and graduated summa cum laude in business and cum laude in law. Notre Dame is a legacy filled joke of a school where the brightest kid was that football player who got scammed into thinking he bagged a babe..

Where the hell do you get Wisconsin is a World's Top 20 University. It ain't even that in the US.

I am so sorry you were intimidated by the Madison curriculum and had to slum it at Marquette. I went to Marquette then on to some universities that have world class reputations. Not only do I consider my Marquette education to be world class but I felt so much better prepared than some classmates who did their undergrad work at Ivies. It is what you make of it and if you embrace the Jesuit approach to educating the whole person then you come out of Marquette the intellectual equal of anyone. Anywhere.

[Logi4three]

I absolutely take Notre Dame for the one year, no questions asked. Surprised there's even a discussion in that regard. They would be a one-year positive for the conference, get us to 10 without paying an additional buyout, and likely lessen the buyout fees for the teams we plan to add in 2014. No-brainer decision to take the Irish for a year.

Amen!

[chapman]

Only an MU grad who is a Notre Dame fan would make a post calling UW, one of the top 20 universities in the whole WORLD, a community college. I went to Madison for a semester and figured I couldn't cut it so I transferred to Marquette and graduated summa cum laude in business and cum laude in law. Notre Dame is a legacy filled joke of a school where the brightest kid was that football player who got scammed into thinking he bagged a babe..

Badger fan BS alert.  I actually did start at Madison (for one year, couldn't stand the school or city) and finish at MU.  You don't decide you "can't cut it" at Madison after one semester, and only a Badger troll would embarrass themselves by calling it a top 20 world university.  And as far as a (limited) comparison; that is only comparing lower-level core classes which is all you (if you weren't lying) or I could compare, from my experience MU's classes were much more intense, though you got more out of it since classes aren't all 250+ people and taught by TAs.

[Tugg Speedman]

Only an MU grad who is a Notre Dame fan would make a post calling UW, one of the top 20 universities in the whole WORLD, a community college. I went to Madison for a semester and figured I couldn't cut it so I transferred to Marquette and graduated summa cum laude in business and cum laude in law. Notre Dame is a legacy filled joke of a school where the brightest kid was that football player who got scammed into thinking he bagged a babe..

What a pathetic troll ... This post is why I continue to think UW is an oversized community college.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I would say yes, let them in.

There may come a day where a Notre Dame will be a key friend in the world of college sports.  Sometimes you have to rise above.  I respect their school and their place in college athletics...making sure we are on good terms with ND is good policy.

[augoman]

UW at Madison is just like high school.  It was the fall back school for most of my friends.  A couple of us went to their homecoming as juniors in high school ( with local dates).  My daughter passed on a full ride at UW-Madison to attend Northwestern on my dime.  I stopped attending their football games due to the students' behavior, not that the alumni were any better.  Top 20?  Only if ranking arrests, alcohol consumption, unreported rapes, etc...

[real chili 83]

I would say yes, let them in.

There may come a day where a Notre Dame will be a key friend in the world of college sports.  Sometimes you have to rise above.  I respect their school and their place in college athletics...making sure we are on good terms with ND is good policy.

CBB, grew up in SB.  Bunch of d bags.  Ya, they got dough.  So does Donald trump.  

[avid1010]

Where the hell do you get Wisconsin is a World's Top 20 University. It ain't even that in the US.

I am so sorry you were intimidated by the Madison curriculum and had to slum it at Marquette. I went to Marquette then on to some universities that have world class reputations. Not only do I consider my Marquette education to be world class but I felt so much better prepared than some classmates who did their undergrad work at Ivies. It is what you make of it and if you embrace the Jesuit approach to educating the whole person then you come out of Marquette the intellectual equal of anyone. Anywhere.

how does the jesuit approach to education make you the intellectual equal to anyone?

[Coleman]

how does the jesuit approach to education make you the intellectual equal to anyone?

I believe the Jesuit approach to education is lots of PBR on Saturday and praying for forgiveness on Sunday

[avid1010]

What a pathetic troll ... This post is why I continue to think UW is an oversized community college.

i've taken courses at some of the best universities in the US, as well as at MU and UW....two of my favorite professors/courses were taken for pennies at a community college.