Vander Blue vs. Michael Snaer

[TheFarEastMovement]

Michael Snaer was a highly coveted 5-star recruit by Buzz. However, he chose Flordia State over us on decision day. Snaer is currently averaging 14.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg and 2.5 apg as a senior while Blue is averaging 15.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg and 1.7 apg as a Junior. Who has a higher upside?

Would we have been the better choice for Snaer? I personally believe Blue made up for missing out on Snaer. Snaer continues to be on several NBA Mock Drafts, which makes me believe that this year's draft will be weak and Blue has the potential to leave early and make it in this year's draft.

[MarquetteDano]

Michael Snaer was a highly coveted 5-star recruit by Buzz. However, he chose Flordia State over us on decision day. Snaer is currently averaging 14.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg and 2.5 apg as a senior while Blue is averaging 15.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg and 1.7 apg as a Junior. Who has a higher upside?

Would we have been the better choice for Snaer? I personally believe Blue made up for missing out on Snaer. Snaer continues to be on several NBA Mock Drafts, which makes me believe that this year's draft will be weak and Blue has the potential to leave early and make it in this year's draft.

Don't forget Snaer is also a fricking awesome defender.  He has to be considered one of the best 3-4 defensive wings in the country.

[4everwarriors]

Snaer's had the better overall career thus far and is taller.

[TheFarEastMovement]

I agree MarquetteDano. Before this season, the things Vander Blue was known for was being a lock down defender, and his inability to shoot the 3 and finish around the rim. However, he has cleaned up those two negative aspects and is still considered to be a pretty good defender this year.

They both are listed as 6'4. The talent level at Marquette has been superior in comparison to FSU, making it hard for Blue to be a go to guy. Snaer has been the central figure for the past couple of years at FSU.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Blue is better period.

[keefe]

I agree MarquetteDano. Before this season, the things Vander Blue was known for was being a lock down defender, and his inability to shoot the 3 and finish around the rim. However, he has cleaned up those two negative aspects and is still considered to be a pretty good defender this year.

They both are listed as 6'4. The talent level at Marquette has been superior in comparison to FSU, making it hard for Blue to be a go to guy. Snaer has been the central figure for the past couple of years at FSU.

Key point. I'm happy with Vander Blue.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I agree MarquetteDano. Before this season, the things Vander Blue was known for was being a lock down defender, and his inability to shoot the 3 and finish around the rim. However, he has cleaned up those two negative aspects and is still considered to be a pretty good defender this year.

They both are listed as 6'4. The talent level at Marquette has been superior in comparison to FSU, making it hard for Blue to be a go to guy. Snaer has been the central figure for the past couple of years at FSU.

Snaer is listed at 6'5".   Blue at 6'4"

[Warriors 79]

Blue isn't going anywhere unless he leads Marquette to a National Championship this year.  He is still a herky - jerky slasher to the basket, his outside shot still needs polish and he just flat-out needs another year before jumping to the NBA.  He would be D League for sure or overseas. Plus, his mother will want him to graduate and finish what he starts.

Plus, you gotta think he would like to play one year with the studs we have coming in, esp to play wing off passes from Duane Wilson and Ox.

[77ncaachamps]

Snaer's hit 2 or 3 buzzer beaters this year right?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Through games played yesterday, Statsheet has Vander ranked 144th best played in college basketball and the 42nd best junior.

[LAZER]

Through games played yesterday, Statsheet has Vander ranked 144th best played in college basketball and the 42nd best junior.

I'm not sure how they do their rankings, but that list is all over the place. Blue is a better player than about half the guys ranked in front of him.

[mileskishnish72]

According to them, Devonte Newbill would be our 2nd best player.

[Lennys Tap]

Through games played yesterday, Statsheet has Vander ranked 144th best played in college basketball and the 42nd best junior.

Interesting reading. Marquette  has only Blue (144) and Gardner (248) in the top 300. Wisconsin has 4 - Bergeron (57), Brust (80), Evans (105) and Dekker (277). The only team that appears to have even a small shot at beating Indiana - Zeller (4) Oladipo (18) Watford (62) Hulls (126) and Farrell(208) is Michigan. The Hoosiers have head and shoulders better talent than everyone else.

[MU82]

Snaer has received lots of hype for his many buzzer-beaters. And it's hard to argue he doesn't deserve the hype because he hit those shots even though everybody in the arenas -- including the opposing coaches -- knew he was going to take them.

Vander has kind of burst onto the scene this season. Snaer already was on the scene.

I'd be happy to have either one. We have Vander, and I'm glad we do.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Interesting reading. Marquette  has only Blue (144) and Gardner (248) in the top 300. Wisconsin has 4 - Bergeron (57), Brust (80), Evans (105) and Dekker (277). The only team that appears to have even a small shot at beating Indiana - Zeller (4) Oladipo (18) Watford (62) Hulls (126) and Farrell(208) is Michigan. The Hoosiers have head and shoulders better talent than everyone else.

Which is really crazy since only one of those guys was a 5 star and most were three stars...I guess they "developed". 

Of course we also know that with one and done tournament, the best team doesn't always win...in fact often doesn't.  I believe there have been epic threads about this here in the past. I could bring one up, but I'm sure I would be accused of hooping.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Snaer has received lots of hype for his many buzzer-beaters. And it's hard to argue he doesn't deserve the hype because he hit those shots even though everybody in the arenas -- including the opposing coaches -- knew he was going to take them.

Vander has kind of burst onto the scene this season. Snaer already was on the scene.

I'd be happy to have either one. We have Vander, and I'm glad we do.

This is where it seems to me we have MU blinders on.  Burst onto the scene that apparently only we notice.  It's not like he has burst onto the national scene, and I'm not claiming you are saying that just to be clear.  Maybe flying under the radar is a good thing.  He's a solid player, having a nice junior year, but when I think of bursting onto the scene I do think of Snaer last year, Oladipo this year, Wade for MU, etc. 

[chapman]

Blue (144)
Evans (105)

LOL.  I guess rebounds are worth more than points and being an embarrassing free throw shooter doesn't matter.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Which is really crazy since only one of those guys was a 5 star and most were three stars...I guess they "developed". 

You keep saying this, but it's a flat out lie.

Zeller, 5* McD's AA
Ferrell, 5* McD's AA
Hulls, RSCI top 100
Watford, RSCI top 100

Oladipo & Sheehy were 3* players, and yes, they have developed very nicely. One I would vote as NPOY, the other is an excellent 6th man. 2 out of the top 6 hardly constitutes "most." You have a point about those two, just leave it at that. The gross exaggeration is annoying and counterproductive to your cause.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You keep saying this, but it's a flat out lie.

Zeller, 5* McD's AA
Ferrell, 5* McD's AA
Hulls, RSCI top 100
Watford, RSCI top 100

Oladipo & Sheehy were 3* players, and yes, they have developed very nicely. One I would vote as NPOY, the other is an excellent 6th man. 2 out of the top 6 hardly constitutes "most." You have a point about those two, just leave it at that. The gross exaggeration is annoying and counterproductive to your cause.

Excuse me for not seeing Yogi on the post.  I stand by that most were three stars.

Of the current team, 2 are five star players...last year it was one....care for me to pull up threads here from the last few years where you and others kept saying the talent wasn't good, overrated, kids wouldn't develop and the coach would be fired as a result. Happy to do that...it was comical then and more comical now.  Even more comical how players "aren't developed" there.  

Amazing to me the #1 team in the country only has two Five star players while Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc, etc with far more are doing worse. A majority of the team is three star designations.  Must be the coaching?  

Hulls...three stars   http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Hulls-82901
Sheehey...three stars   http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Will-Sheehey-100760
Oladipo...three stars   http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Victor-Oladipo-84192
Etherington...three stars   http://rivals.yahoo.com/indiana/basketball/recruiting/player-Austin-Etherington-96668
Abell...three stars   http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Remy-Abell-100909
Jurkin....three stars   http://rivals.yahoo.com/indiana/basketball/recruiting/player-Peter-Jurkin-98671
Etc

Creek, a 4 star player playing with 2 knees blown out in two years...effectively a 2 or 3 star player now. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

LOL.  I guess rebounds are worth more than points and being an embarrassing free throw shooter doesn't matter.

Maybe it's rebounds, blocks, assists, turnovers, etc

Offensively, no comparison.  In those other stats, Evans does better.  That's the only thing I can think of based on the comparison of the two.  Depends on what you value, how they value it in their system of ranking a player.

Just a guess, not sure

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=vander-blue&p1=2-ryan-evans

[MuMark]

Lets also remember that when we lost Snaer we ended up with a guy nicknamed DJO.


I would say it worked out pretty well for us even though Snaer is a very good player.

[The Equalizer]

You keep saying this, but it's a flat out lie.

Zeller, 5* McD's AA
Ferrell, 5* McD's AA
Hulls, RSCI top 100
Watford, RSCI top 100

Oladipo & Sheehy were 3* players, and yes, they have developed very nicely. One I would vote as NPOY, the other is an excellent 6th man. 2 out of the top 6 hardly constitutes "most." You have a point about those two, just leave it at that. The gross exaggeration is annoying and counterproductive to your cause.

Ferrel was 4-star in both ESPN and Scout.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2012

http://espn.go.com/college-sports//basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012

Maybe you looked at a different service--but that doesn't make it a "flat out lie."

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ferrel was 4-star in both ESPN and Scout.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2012

http://espn.go.com/college-sports//basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012

Maybe you looked at a different service--but that doesn't make it a "flat out lie."

Thank you sir

[MU82]

This is where it seems to me we have MU blinders on.  Burst onto the scene that apparently only we notice.  It's not like he has burst onto the national scene, and I'm not claiming you are saying that just to be clear.  Maybe flying under the radar is a good thing.  He's a solid player, having a nice junior year, but when I think of bursting onto the scene I do think of Snaer last year, Oladipo this year, Wade for MU, etc. 

I get your point, Chicos, but I did say "kind of" burst onto the scene, indicating that I didn't really think he was a household name or anything.

Vander's less-than-spectacular outing against Nova just underscores that he still has a long way to go to even be considered draft-worthy.

[esotericmindguy]

Maybe it's rebounds, blocks, assists, turnovers, etc

Offensively, no comparison.  In those other stats, Evans does better.  That's the only thing I can think of based on the comparison of the two.  Depends on what you value, how they value it in their system of ranking a player.

Just a guess, not sure

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=vander-blue&p1=2-ryan-evans

He rebounds better because of height and his role, pound for pound I'd still go Vander. Same thing for Blocks. As for turnovers, it's easy not to turn the ball over when you don't have to create your own shot or opportunities for others. There is nothing in the game of Basketball that freakin Evans does better than Blue.