Ken Pomeroy- Pitt is Nation's most underrated

[mubb34]

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8958995/pitt-nation-most-underrated-team-college-basketball

Interesting article & I do have a lot of respect for this man. Not sure on this one though...

[madtownwarrior]

dumb article!

"which suggests it's more like a 10-3 Big East team than the 8-5 record it currently owns."

yeah, but they are 8-5 and lost to MU twice

Kenpom just doing damage control as to why his rankings has Pitt #4 at 20-6 (while MU is #23)


Kenpom is the Nation's most over-rated ranking system

[MarquetteDano]

Kenpom is the Nation's most over-rated ranking system

It has flaws do doubt, especially his overall rating.  However is tempo free stuff is fantastic.  It really sheds light on what teams do well versus just looking at raw data.

[BCHoopster]

They beat Dame tonight, they should win the rest of there games in the league,  13-5 they can finish up.  MU can only lose 2 more games as MU would have the tiebraker,
by beating them twice to get the bye at MSG

[RJax55]

That 89 point scoring differential is a little deceiving... It basically comes from two games, @Georgetown and DePaul. They beat Georgetown by 28 (hell of a win) and clobbered DePaul by 38 at home.

[mubb34]

Kenpom is the Nation's most over-rated ranking system

Can't agree with this. I use his system for a ton of things and think the guy is a genius. Also, some of the best cappers develop their systems based on those rankings.

[Lennys Tap]

Isn't MU 's record usually better than our Pomeroy ranking? Isn't Wisconsin's worse? Why and what does it mean?

[madtownwarrior]

As others have stated, his individual stats are awesome, his overall rankings blow...   please explain how the 5th best team in the big east is the 4th best team in the nation per kenpom rankings

don't get me started on an 8 loss Wisconsin being ranked #9 and a 3 loss Miami team at #10

Can't agree with this. I use his system for a ton of things and think the guy is a genius. Also, some of the best cappers develop their systems based on those rankings.

[dw3dw3dw3]

Anyone know if his stats are available on insider? Or do you have to go directly to his site and pay?

[MU82]

Kenpom is the 10th-best rating system.

Of course, Kenpom would rank Kenpom first.

[MU B2002]

As others have stated, his individual stats are awesome, his overall rankings blow...   please explain how the 5th best team in the big east is the 4th best team in the nation per kenpom rankings

don't get me started on an 8 loss Wisconsin being ranked #9 and a 3 loss Miami team at #10

He even states that you should not pay too much attention to his overall rankings, as they are inaccurrate at times based a teams stats.  I.E. UW is typically overrated, influenced by the style of bball they play.  

[Golden Avalanche]

Isn't MU 's record usually better than our Pomeroy ranking? Isn't Wisconsin's worse? Why and what does it mean?

It means some people should stop letting a computer dictate who is, and who isn't, a good team.

Try it the old fashioned way, peeps, use your eyeballs and think analytically. Gasp!

[Benny B]

It means some people should stop letting a computer dictate who is, and who isn't, a good team.

Try it the old fashioned way, peeps, use your eyeballs and think analytically. Gasp!

Tell that to the people who fill out the coaches' poll ballots.

[Dr. Blackheart]

He even states that you should not pay too much attention to his overall rankings, as they are inaccurrate at times based a teams stats.  I.E. UW is typically overrated, influenced by the style of bball they play.  

More so, he claims it is not a ranking system at all, but a system to try to equally explain past performance based up efficiency and SOS, and then to predict expected outcomes.  One metric where he hits or misses on those predicted margins is Luck...a team that is positive in this measure is luckier (they outperform his prediction)...and team who is negative underperforms his prediction.  What I do is add his Pyth overall rating to the Luck to get a new rating.  Here is that Top 25...with a few surprises....but remember the MWC is the 2nd highest rated RPI conference...and Middle Tennessee is this year's Murray State and has victories over Vandy and Mississippi OOC, and has a top defense with some size.

1.  Miami FL
2.  Michigan St.
3.  Duke
4.  New Mexico
5.  Gonzaga
6.  Georgetown
7.  Arizona
8.  Marquette
9.  Michigan
10. Middle Tennessee
11. Indiana
12. Kansas St.
13. Syracuse
14. Colorado St.
15. Kansas
16. Oregon
17. Illinois
18. Louisville
19. Butler
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida
22. Ohio St.
23. St. Mary's
24. Pittsburgh
25. Oklahoma St.

[hoyasincebirth]

More so, he claims it is not a ranking system at all, but a system to try to equally explain past performance based up efficiency and SOS, and then to predict expected outcomes.  One metric where he hits or misses on those predicted margins is Luck...a team that is positive in this measure is luckier (they outperform his prediction)...and team who is negative underperforms his prediction.  What I do is add his Pyth overall rating to the Luck to get a new rating.  Here is that Top 25...with a few surprises....but remember the MWC is the 2nd highest rated RPI conference...and Middle Tennessee is this year's Murray State and has victories over Vandy and Mississippi OOC, and has a top defense with some size.

1.  Miami FL
2.  Michigan St.
3.  Duke
4.  New Mexico
5.  Gonzaga
6.  Georgetown
7.  Arizona
8.  Marquette
9.  Michigan
10. Middle Tennessee
11. Indiana
12. Kansas St.
13. Syracuse
14. Colorado St.
15. Kansas
16. Oregon
17. Illinois
18. Louisville
19. Butler
20. Wisconsin
21. Florida
22. Ohio St.
23. St. Mary's
24. Pittsburgh
25. Oklahoma St.

I like this ranking! 

[rocky_warrior]

I like this ranking! 

I know you're in the Gtown camp, but I like any ranking that tells me MU is WAY better than than Louisville and Florida.  They can both take their double digit wins and stuff 'em where the sun don't shine!