12:33 Mark

[GGGG]

Not really.   How many times, according to the Sultan, is too many?

Once.  Say your peace, and shut the f*ck up because they aren't going to change their mind.

And "not really" what? 

[AirPunches]

Long shot here. Earlier in the year when Buzz got his first T, I think someone said (maybe Buzz himself) that he has gotten 5 T's since being at MU. It was said that 4 of them were called by the same ref if I recall correctly. Unless I'm just completely making that up, does anyone know which ref it was?

[MUfan12]

Once.  Say your peace, and shut the f*ck up because they aren't going to change their mind.

They showed the exchange. He wasn't profane, wasn't overly demonstrative, and didn't show them up. It was a weak T from a crew that was completely out of their depth.

[GGGG]

They showed the exchange. He wasn't profane, wasn't overly demonstrative, and didn't show them up. It was a weak T from a crew that was completely out of their depth.

Well, neither you nor I know what was said prior to then.  I'm not prepared to make that statement with such certainty.  Just say it once and sh*t up because repeating it over...and over...and over serves no purpose whatsoever.

[tower912]

Once.  Say your peace, and shut the f*ck up because they aren't going to change their mind.

And "not really" what? 

You changed your post after I had posted.    As to saying it once, we are again destined to disagree.   He is working the officials like he is supposed to to try and influence the next call.    Please name the coaches who say something one time and let it go.    Plus, you have watched Buzz.   Is it possible for him to just say it once in a situation like that?    Really?   Buzz was completely under control and trying to get a call for his team without showing up the ref.    Weak T.  

[GGGG]

The amount of blind defense of everything Buzz does on this board is completely dumbfounding.

[warriorstrack]

People speaking in absolutes is baffling

[GGGG]

People speaking in absolutes is baffling

If this is directed at me, I didn't speak in an absolute.

[tower912]

We had the same amount of blind defense of Crean when he was here.    We frequently held our tongues because he was our guy.  Now you are mad because MU fans (A) defend their current coach and (B) are critical of our former coach.    Weird.
Buzz is a good coach.   He is still a work in progress, but IMO it was a weak T.    

[MUBurrow]

He is working the officials like he is supposed to to try and influence the next call.    Please name the coaches who say something one time and let it go.    Plus, you have watched Buzz.   Is it possible for him to just say it once in a situation like that?    Really?   Buzz was completely under control and trying to get a call for his team without showing up the ref.    Weak T.  

I don't know if it was a strong or weak T, but like I said in the gamechat, its a waste to get that T on an out of bounds call. I totally get working the refs and trying to influence the game - but if you're going to get a T because of it, you do it defending one of your guys.  If you get a T screaming about how the refs are calling ticky tack fouls against Vander guarding on the perimeter or are unfairly targeting DG down low, etc etc, thats one thing. The refs will be hyper conscious of that issue from that point on if they T you up arguing that.  But on an OB call? You aren't influencing anything concrete, you're just offensive background noise. Its not like the next loose ball will be more likely to get you possession when it trickles out of bounds.

[jesmu84]

You changed your post after I had posted.    As to saying it once, we are again destined to disagree.   He is working the officials like he is supposed to to try and influence the next call.    Please name the coaches who say something one time and let it go.    Plus, you have watched Buzz.   Is it possible for him to just say it once in a situation like that?    Really?   Buzz was completely under control and trying to get a call for his team without showing up the ref.    Weak T.  

This. Buzz is working the officials like every other coach in the game (and it seems to me he's pretty timid compared to some coaches).

Also, what would everyone's reaction be if Buzz's T fired up our players and we went on a huge run right after and won the game? You'd all be praising Buzz. Either way, the T gets too much blame or too much credit.

[warriorstrack]

Basketball is an imperfect game (coaching, officiating, playing), our team is better than most.  I am very happy about where we are at this point in the season, there is always a wide range of opinions about the comings and goings of any game.  I enjoy them all.  GO MU.

[Lennys Tap]

If this is directed at me, I didn't speak in an absolute.

Of course you did. It doesn't get any more absolute than "Buzz has no right". Not surprisingly, your absolute was absolutely wrong.

[GGGG]

We had the same amount of blind defense of Crean when he was here.    We frequently held our tongues because he was our guy.  Now you are mad because MU fans (A) defend their current coach and (B) are critical of our former coach.    Weird.
Buzz is a good coach.   He is still a work in progress, but IMO it was a weak T.    

I'm not mad and Dr. Blackheart, who was at the game, said that Buzz was on the refs all game and it was a "last straw" T.  You can't view it in a vacuum.  

[GGGG]

Of course you did. It doesn't get any more absolute than "Buzz has no right". Not surprisingly, your absolute was absolutely wrong.

I said "he really has no right."  Quote me accurately dipsh*t.

[MerrittsMustache]

From an outsider perspective, it appeared to be a pretty weak T, but for all we know the refs had been harping on Buzz to stay inside the coaching box for the first 27:27 of the game. When he came out of the box, they T'd him up. They may have told him that if he said one more thing, they'd T him up. He did, so they did. There may have been any number of things that went into the T being called at that point, but I highly doubt that it was called solely because Buzz was yelling for the other ref to make the call.

[Gato78]

I believe it was James Eastling.

Long shot here. Earlier in the year when Buzz got his first T, I think someone said (maybe Buzz himself) that he has gotten 5 T's since being at MU. It was said that 4 of them were called by the same ref if I recall correctly. Unless I'm just completely making that up, does anyone know which ref it was?

[Lennys Tap]

From an outsider perspective, it appeared to be a pretty weak T, but for all we know the refs had been harping on Buzz to stay inside the coaching box for the first 27:27 of the game. When he came out of the box, they T'd him up. They may have told him that if he said one more thing, they'd T him up. He did so they did. There may have been any number of things that went into the T being called at that point, but I highly doubt that the was called solely because Buzz was yelling for the other ref to make the call.

I have no problem with the T being called. I do have a problem with anyone saying a coach has no right to question who is in best position to make a call.. Has Sultan been a ref? It would explain the attitude.

[GGGG]

I have no problem with the T being called. I do have a problem with anyone saying a coach has no right to question who is in best position to make a call.. Has Sultan been a ref? It would explain the attitude.

I used to be...not doing it this year.  But the point was that any ref can make any call.  If the ref in a better position doesn't overturn it or speak with him, the coach really has no recourse.  Say it once.  Keep quiet...especially if you've been working them all game.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I believe it was James Eastling.

James Breeding.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I'm not mad and Dr. Blackheart, who was at the game, said that Buzz was on the refs all game and it was a "last straw" T.  You can't view it in a vacuum.  

It was deserved. Timing was bad but 5 minutes either way it could have lit the team.  Buzz was on a mission.  It was the third official who called it, not the two involved which is how they are trained.  Buzz was on the court and in his Rain Man mode. 

[Lennys Tap]

I said "he really has no right."  Quote me accurately dipsh*t.

Woooo! Tough guy. Say something stupid, get exposed and then start a fight. Keep digging.

[Gato78]

Correct. Shouldn't rely on my memory.

James Breeding.

[GGGG]

Woooo! Tough guy. Say something stupid, get exposed and then start a fight. Keep digging.

I felt the poster was talking specifically about my immediate post...not something earlier in the thread.  Then you go back and hump my leg with something I said earlier and not relevant to what I was talking about.

I just thought that I would kick the puppy off my leg before he made a mess of things.

So next time son, please address specifically what I am talking about and don't bring up irrelevant sh*t.  Got it?

[karavotsos]

I think the saying is, 'fish in your own pond,' and its one of the most basic tenets of officiating.  The point is the official had no right to make the call because he was in no position to make the call.  He was just guessing.  How are you supposed to help another official when you can't even see what happened.  He wasn't in the position to get the call right, so why should he act like he saw what happened.  

Buzz was right, and that's when officials get most pissed.  When you're wrong, or vulgar or simply being a baby because you're frustrated, the refs can take it because they're in control, and you're the one who is out of control.  Buzz was calling the official out for disobeying one of the basic rules of officiating -- fish in your own pond.  The official knew he was wrong and he was being called out for it.  That's what got under his skin.  So, I guess, Buzz should just let the guy be blatantly wrong not in the call but in even making the call at all.  Come on.

I guess he shouldn't point out either that its idiotic for an official to say a 275 lb man got knocked over by a 22 oz ball.  Just let it all go.