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nyg

OK, maybe it's just me, but here is the deal.

12:33 left and MU cuts the lead to three, 37-34.  Buzz takes out Vander, Junior and J. Wilson and subs them with Anderson, Derrick Wilson and Mayo.  This after J. Wilson hit a big three to get them close.  MU turns the ball over, then a minute later during a possession, Buzz gets the technical.

Why did Buzz take out the players after a momentum gaining run and put in the second team???  I just didn't get it and still don't.  Wouldn't you keep the players that made the run together on the court.  Maybe if those players were in the game, the play resulting in the technical might never occurred.  I have no clue about this and it drives me crazy. 

GGGG

To Buzz's defense, he was taking them out to rest them until the under 12 timeout.  It is pretty common for him to do...and other coaches do it as well.  It was the first time Junior and Vander had been out the second half. 

77ncaachamps

Buzz will take the fall for that but MU's got too many TOs and missed opportunities
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Sir Lawrence

Mark 12:33

To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Ludum habemus.

GGGG

Quote from: Sir Lawrence on February 11, 2013, 08:06:42 PM
Mark 12:33

To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.


Amen brother.

NCMUFan

More Mayo and Taylor.  I don't get the whole sale substitutions.

nyg

Quote from: Sir Lawrence on February 11, 2013, 08:06:42 PM
Mark 12:33

To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.



Thats what Buzz told Hess tonight. 

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 11, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
Buzz will take the fall for that but MU's got too many TOs and missed opportunities

10 assists and 19 TOs. Game over.

tower912

He had been making wholesale substitutions all night.   No different.    Getting a technical for saying "Its not his call" 4 times....just one in a slew of interesting interpretations by the officials tonight.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GGGG

Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:16:31 PM
He had been making wholesale substitutions all night.   No different.    Getting a technical for saying "Its not his call" 4 times....just one in a slew of interesting interpretations by the officials tonight.


Buzz really has no right to tell the refs whose call it was.  Completely deserved.

warriorstrack

A "right" implies a black and white decision of which there were very few called that way in the game, if the game was called based on "rights" you and Jay would have fouled out most of the MU team

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2013, 08:18:12 PM

Buzz really has no right to tell the refs whose call it was.  Completely deserved.

Why is that?

tower912

Buzz has every right to encourage an official to get help or to encourage an official who might have had a better look to speak up.    
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:21:43 PM
Buzz has every right to encourage an official to get help or to encourage an official who might have had a better look to speak up.    

Of course he does.

MarsupialMadness

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2013, 08:18:12 PM

Buzz really has no right to tell the refs whose call it was.  Completely deserved.

Agreed. Buzz had been asking for it all night.

MarsupialMadness

Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:21:43 PM
Buzz has every right to encourage an official to get help or to encourage an official who might have had a better look to speak up.    

Sure, but he had been giving them lip and waking all over the court all game long. Multiple comments were made about his behavior even before he got the T. The refs had to take control, even if they were blowing calls, and that's what they did.

warriorstrack

Asking for it,  I see JT III cussing like a sailor on the sidelines most games I watch Georgetown, he seemed to have been able to keep his mouth shut for the most part tonight, Buzz may have "deserved" the tech, but I didn't see him using profanity to get his point across

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on February 11, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
Sure, but he had been giving them lip and waking all over the court all game long. Multiple comments were made about his behavior even before he got the T. The refs had to take control, even if they were blowing calls, and that's what they did.

It's interesting when people look at a technical as "it was coming" and see no problem with the reason the technical being issued isn't for a coach's worst offense.

However, when their player is lowering the shoulder all night long to no whistle and gets called for the foul late in the game after a defender flops it can be a mutiny even though "it was coming."

MUfan12

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 11, 2013, 08:18:12 PM

Buzz really has no right to tell the refs whose call it was.  Completely deserved.

What now?

That was a very weak T. Probably a residual of calling the halfcourt TO.

tower912

The replay showed Davante got fouled and the G-town player knocked the ball out.    The ref on sideline by Buzz called it G-town's ball.   Buzz said 4 times that it wasn't his call to make and got T'd.   He wasn't hyper, he wasn't jumping up and down, he wasn't showing up the official.    Bottom line is that it was a momentum changer just when MU was showing some life. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

forgetful

Quote from: MUfan12 on February 11, 2013, 08:39:09 PM
What now?

That was a very weak T. Probably a residual of calling the halfcourt TO.

Buzz had a right to tell them the wrong guy was overturning the call.  That is part of his job.

And the half court TO is also on the refs.  He has to be able to call a TO, if the refs aren't paying attn make them pay attn.

We lost because we turned the ball over too much. 

The refs also sucked.

GGGG

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Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:21:43 PM
Buzz has every right to encourage an official to get help or to encourage an official who might have had a better look to speak up.    

Correct.  But that's different than repeatedly saying "that's not your call."  After the way he was acting most of the night, I'm sure it was the final straw.  It was a terrible time to take that technical.

MarsupialMadness

I think the refs were a little sick of hearing from Buzz at that point. Perhaps he had been warned prior to that?

Refs suck all the time. They especially sucked tonight. I love Buzz's enthusiasm and while I won't say he lost us this game, I'd like to see him keep his cool a little more.

Jay Bilas said a bunch of stupid things today but one thing he had right on the money was that all the excessive jabbering between officials and coaches needs to stop.

tower912

Not really.   How many times, according to the Sultan, is too many?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

RideMyBuycks

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
Of course he does.

I agree. Especially when a call was reversed earlier in the game when two officials talked about it.

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