ND reaches out to C7

[radome]

I doubt that they came to their Catholic counterparts when deciding to head to the ACC but now appear to want help from the C7 to avoid being stuck in BE until 2015.

From:http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/jeremy-fowler/21628062/big-east-catholic-7-documents-note-688-million-in-realignment-funds

In a separate email Dec. 24, Zern reached out to Big East presidents and athletic directors about the league's understanding that Notre Dame “reached out directly to the group of seven basketball schools to discuss the timing and terms for Notre Dame's departure.”

“Mike (Aresco) intends to send a letter to the basketball schools today in order to make sure the record and facts are clear regarding the discussions with Notre Dame and their obligations to the conference,” Zern wrote.

Zern urged members to keep information about Notre Dame confidential as “any discussions with them are extremely sensitive.”

Notre Dame reached an agreement to join the ACC in September, but Big East bylaws require 27 months notice before leaving. That would keep Notre Dame in the league until 2015.

In a text message, Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick said the email “reflects our interest in understanding what the Catholic 7 are thinking in terms of a timetable. Risk we are trying to manage is the possibility that they leave earlier than expected.”

[Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020]

ND can suck it.    There is talk in B10 circles that Virginia is their next target and it is likely a done deal.   After that, UNC, GTech, and others are at the top of list to be poached.    The ACC is next to fall apart and ND will be left holding their golden domes.   The only conversation the C7 should have with ND would go like this:

"Oh, the ACC didnt work out for you and you want in the new conference for hoops?  Well you better start dancing now and don't stop until we tell you to.  Get on your knees and beg for it, you turncoat b*itches."   

[esotericmindguy]

ND can suck it.    There is talk in B10 circles that Virginia is their next target and it is likely a done deal.   After that, UNC, GTech, and others are at the top of list to be poached.    The ACC is next to fall apart and ND will be left holding their golden domes.   The only conversation the C7 should have with ND would go like this:

"Oh, the ACC didnt work out for you and you want in the new conference for hoops?  Well you better start dancing now and don't stop until we tell you to.  Get on your knees and beg for it, you turncoat b*itches."   

Seriously? The C7 would take them in a heartbeat. Did you get rejected out of high school?

[GGGG]

First off all, they didn't reach out to the C7 to join them.  They simply reached out to them as part of the withdrawl process.

Second, the ACC isn't going to "fall apart," even if two schools go to the B10 and two other leave for the SEC.  They have 14 schools now.  They'd be at 10.  Where are these schools going to go?

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I do think the ACC is going to fall apart as the SEC, Big 12, and Big 10 take the remaining football programs as the conferences make the push to 4 megas.     I realize they didnt reach out to the C7, I was just echoing radome's thought ---- they want C7 help after backstabbing us, I say we tell them to make like a tree and get outta here.   

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Seriously? The C7 would take them in a heartbeat.

Fine.  But make them dance for it.   

[buckchuckler]

Even if the ACC "falls apart" they will still have Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Duke (who I don't believe is named in many of the rumors).  That, along with ND, is hardly a crappy basketball conference.  Crappy for football, but not basketball. 

[honkytonk]

Even if the ACC "falls apart" they will still have Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Duke (who I don't believe is named in many of the rumors).  That, along with ND, is hardly a crappy basketball conference.  Crappy for football, but not basketball. 

And then they can still add UConn and Cincy...and Temple and Memphis if they want to. From a basketball standpoint, no one will care if Clemson gets poached...or Virginia...or Miami (regardless of this year's success)...or VPI. FSU is decent but not a valuable bball property.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Even if the ACC "falls apart" they will still have Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Duke (who I don't believe is named in many of the rumors).  That, along with ND, is hardly a crappy basketball conference.  Crappy for football, but not basketball. 

Worse football and basketball than the Big East of the last 7 years.

[Sunbelt15]

UNC and Duke are the ACC. If one goes, the other will follow or they're going together. Too much money to lose being in different conferences.

[chapman]

So what I gather is it looks like the C7 are pretty much a done deal to leave in 2014.  ND still hasn't done what it needs to get out before 2015.  ND was trying to piggyback on the C7's negotiating leverage to leave at the same time.  Aresco is basically trying to make certain Notre Dame's negotiation to leave is done with the Big East remnant and not through the C7.  Poor Domers.  

[Groin_pull]

Seriously? The C7 would take them in a heartbeat. Did you get rejected out of high school?

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct. That's why ND gets away with acting like arrogant as*holes.

[Groin_pull]

Even if the ACC "falls apart" they will still have Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Duke (who I don't believe is named in many of the rumors).  That, along with ND, is hardly a crappy basketball conference.  Crappy for football, but not basketball.  

That's fine—except football rules all. Isn't that the one thing we've learned from all this realignment crap? A good hoops conference means nothing. And those schools you list will comprise a pitiful football conference. If basketball mattered at all, the Big East would still be going strong.

[buckchuckler]

That's fine—except football rules all. Isn't that the one thing we've learned from all this realignment crap? A good hoops conference means nothing. And those schools you list will comprise a pitiful football conference. If basketball mattered at all, the Big East would still be going strong.

Yes, I understand that.  And if all those schools leave, ND will still be independent in football.  Whatever gain they have by partnering with the ACC in football may lessen, but lets face it, it is a weak football conference now. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Even if the ACC "falls apart" they will still have Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Duke (who I don't believe is named in many of the rumors).  That, along with ND, is hardly a crappy basketball conference.  Crappy for football, but not basketball. 

ND gets consideration for a football bowl in the ACC even though they are not technically part of the conference for football (they agreed to play 5 ACC teams a year).

If a bunch of good ACC teams (Miami, Fla State, UNC, Clemson) jump and ND is stuck with five ACC games against teams like Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College and VT, all collectively bad teams, that kills their SoS and maybe their goal of a national championship.  Remember SoS is huge in football as only 4 teams will make the new playoff and it will come down to "who you played and who you beat."

If/when this happens, they might reconsider the ACC and think about joining the C7 while staying completely independent in football.  That is, unless the B1G caves and takes them as a non-football member.

[Tugg Speedman]

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct. That's why ND gets away with acting like arrogant as*holes.

MU is the same with UWM, UWGB and other situations where they can get away with it.

[buckchuckler]

ND gets consideration for a football bowl in the ACC even though they are not technically part of the conference for football (they agreed to play 5 ACC teams a year).

If a bunch of good ACC teams (Miami, Fla State, UNC, Clemson) jump and ND is stuck with five ACC games against teams like Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College and VT, all collectively bad teams, that kills their SoS and maybe their goal of a national championship.  Remember SoS is huge in football as only 4 teams will make the new playoff and it will come down to "who you played and who you beat."

If/when this happens, they might reconsider the ACC and think about joining the C7 while staying completely independent in football.  That is, unless the B1G caves and takes them as a non-football member.

Yes, again I get it.  But if ND wants to leave and be completely independent in football and stay in the ACC for hoops, it would likely be a stronger hoops league (even with defections) than the C7.  Even if the ACC doesn't add UConn and Cinci, which they likely would. 

[Avenue Commons]

MU is the same with UWM, UWGB and other situations where they can get away with it.

Or ask a Dayton or DePaul alumn about Marquette.

[forgetful]

Virginia and UNC to the Big18.

Florida St. and NC. State to the SEC

Clemson, Miami, Va. Tech, GT to the Big 12.

That leaves Duke, Wake and BC in the old ACC.  Add Pitt and Syracuse and Louisville and you still need a lot of teams (aka the old Big East).

So the new ACC would be Duke, Wake, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Cinci, UCONN and have to add Memphis and Temple to just get to 10.  All of those teams suck at football and would have no market value as a football commodity so essentially the ACC could be dead.

[Eldon]

Or ask a Dayton or DePaul alumn about Marquette.

???

[honkytonk]

so essentially the ACC could be dead.

From a football standpoint...Left out? Yes. Dead? No...but the product would be bad.

And from a basketball standpoint, there would be no better conference in the country (Duke, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Louisville, Temple, Cincy, Memphis...with the bottom feeders being BC, Wake, USF, UCF).

[Tugg Speedman]

From a football standpoint...Left out? Yes. Dead? No...but the product would be bad.

And from a basketball standpoint, there would be no better conference in the country (Duke, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Louisville, Temple, Cincy, Memphis...with the bottom feeders being BC, Wake, USF, UCF).

But these are largely state schools looking for football money.  Just like the BE was the best basketball conference in the country and they broke up for football, this version of the ACC would look to realign and realign and even breakup to better the football product. 

It would be even more unstable than the BE this year.

[honkytonk]

But these are largely state schools looking for football money.  Just like the BE was the best basketball conference in the country and they broke up for football, this version of the ACC would look to realign and realign and even breakup to better the football product. 

It would be even more unstable than the BE this year.

The difference is that the new ACC wouldnt have partial members like the BE. And if all of the power conferences get to 16, then there is no where for these schools to go. It's essentially the best of the rest for fball and prob the best ball conference.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

In a couple years we may be welcoming Duke into our new conference. You heard it here first.

[forgetful]

In a couple years we may be welcoming Duke into our new conference. You heard it here first.

I see this as possible also.  Would be pretty assume.