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onepost

As a current Sophomore I can attest to most of these points as valid. A lot of my buddies, who are as dedicated a Marquette fan as I am, simply don't buy season tickets for economical sake. So when games like USF come around, and they aren't already $100 in the hole and feel obligated to make it on a Monday night, watching from an HD TV from home while cracking open a cheap 6-pack (30 rack for the bros) seems ideal. I'm not one to show up 2 hours early for a great seat, but I do make every home game and wish there was a greater turnout than there currently is.

warriorchick

Maybe Marquette should black out the games on their cable package (which many off-campus students subscribe to as well).  If you have to go to a bar to watch, you might as well just go to the game,
Have some patience, FFS.

GoldenZebra

I guess the people who wait for movies to come out on DVD are "lazy" because they dont wanna go to the theater. What idiocy. Not everyone cares THAT much about basketball to feel the need to go to every game. Geez.

bradley center bat

Nevermind the students for a bit. How about the season ticket holders that didn't show up. The paid crowd was over 15,000 for the USF. Think what the crowd could've been if folks would show up.

bradley center bat

Quote from: GoldenZebra on January 30, 2013, 03:09:05 PM
I guess the people who wait for movies to come out on DVD are "lazy" because they dont wanna go to the theater. What idiocy. Not everyone cares THAT much about basketball to feel the need to go to every game. Geez.
How about just come out on a warm winter night and support your team and school, that is having another good season. I hope winning is not getting old.

tower912

Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 30, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
I also feel the off-the-court issues has hurt the mood around campus. Definitely turned off a few casual fans/students.
I will admit to being a basketball junkie 25 years ago and now.   But the student section then was not affected by (A) how bad the team was, (B) off court incidents.  (we had plenty.   players on drugs, players beating girlfriends, players pulling students along snowy roads and having the student lose balance, hit her head and spend her life in a coma) (C) night of the week.    Big test the next day?   Study early, take a 2.5 hour study break, come back and study late.   I will grant that if I had the option to watch the game somewhere on a flat screen eating cheap pizza, I may have taken it.    But in the mid 80's, as bad as MU was, there was nothing more sacred than season tickets.  And using them.  
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GoldenZebra

Quote from: mu-panther on January 30, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
How about just come out on a warm winter night and support your team and school, that is having another good season. I hope winning is not getting old.

I have no problem with that, I attend the games. Im just saying that saying that students dont attend because they are lazy is unfair to the student population, because that makes a lot of assumptions and generalizations.

Dr. Blackheart

#32
Versus back-in-the day:

1.  The campus was more of a hub point around the social life.  Downtown was dead after 5PM.  We were happy to get out.  Today it is reversed.
2.  Demand outpaced supply.  There was a smaller arena and less games.  Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3.  National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level  (NIT, F2 and National Championship).  Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship.  The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al.  He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4.  Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname.  For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation.  With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.  
5.  Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike.  Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6.  Home games were an event.  Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem.  Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team.  Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed.  Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7.  No undergrad night classes or labs.
8.  No shuttles back in the day.  With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9.  MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10.  I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums.  Not even close.  At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level.  Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11.  Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students.  It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.  
12.  No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist.  Hoops was it.

Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business.  MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment.  That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back.  Let's not lose it again.

muwarrior69

#33
I was a freshman in the fall of '65; Al's first recruiting class. At the time I was not much of a college basketball fan, though as a Jersey guy I would go to Jadwyn and the old Rutger's gym to see Bill Bradley play, while I was in high school. The team was 14-12, if I recall right the previous year, so season tickets were not hard to get ($16 for two reserved seats for all the home games). I think we averaged about 6-7000 a game which to me was pretty impressive. Did'nt take long and I was hooked. By my junior year season tickets were nearly impossible to get, but not for me since I started as a freshman. One of the highlight games back then was annual freshman/varsity game. Al's freshman always gave the varsity a run for the money. And I definitely had a 7-11 pm chemistry lab every Monday night my freshman year.

warriorchick

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Versus back-in-the day:

1.  The campus was more of a hub point around the social life.  Downtown was dead after 5PM.  We were happy to get out.  Today it is reversed.
2.  Demand outpaced supply.  There was a smaller arena and less games.  Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3.  National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level  (NIT, F2 and National Championship).  Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship.  The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al.  He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4.  Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname.  For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation.  With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.  
5.  Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike.  Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6.  Home games were an event.  Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem.  Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team.  Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed.  Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7.  No undergrad night classes or labs.
8.  No shuttles back in the day.  With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9.  MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10.  I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums.  Not even close.  At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level.  Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11.  Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students.  It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.  
12.  No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist.  Hoops was it.

Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business.  MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment.  That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back.  Let's not lose it again.

+10000
Have some patience, FFS.

Windyplayer

Quote from: cbowe3 on January 30, 2013, 01:21:06 PM
I think that's the problem, students can simply watch every game on TV so they aren't forced to attend. 
Bill Wirtz is turning in his grave.

WarhawkWarrior

What if there was a deal whereby a Student bought a "fanatics pass for $50, got us pass punched for attending all regular season games prior to the break, he/she would have the conference tickets for free.
The balance would be paid by Blue/Gold fun.

I think it might create new fans.

MUFlutieEffect

As a recent graduate, all of these points seem spot-on. 

In addition, as a former employee of the Athletic Department, I can attest to the Department not making it a priority.  Despite numerous inquiries to all the right people (I was an undergrad (therefore not much pull), but also the only non-athlete year-round employee (i.e. the presumed source to function as a liaison to the student body)), the notion of improving the student section was never a very big deal.  Rather than excitement that someone (me) was willing to do all the work off the clock, my requests were always met with slew of stats to demonstrate why we didn't need improvement (i.e. "we already have the largest student section in the country per undergrad enrollment," or, "we're already top 10 in the country in attendance.")

Long story short, improving the student section, at least improvement sparked by the Athletic Department, is costly.  There's no financial motivation to do so.  Without Buzz spearheading the movement (see Tom Crean), it will have to be a grassroots effort without school funding or support.
The Flutie Effect: "A significant and positive correlation between a university having a successful team and higher quality of incoming freshmen, alumni donations, and graduation rates."

- The Economist, January 3rd, 2007

Blue Horseshoe

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Versus back-in-the day:

1.  The campus was more of a hub point around the social life.  Downtown was dead after 5PM.  We were happy to get out.  Today it is reversed.
2.  Demand outpaced supply.  There was a smaller arena and less games.  Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3.  National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level  (NIT, F2 and National Championship).  Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship.  The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al.  He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4.  Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname.  For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation.  With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.  
5.  Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike.  Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6.  Home games were an event.  Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem.  Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team.  Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed.  Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7.  No undergrad night classes or labs.
8.  No shuttles back in the day.  With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9.  MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10.  I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums.  Not even close.  At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level.  Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11.  Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students.  It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.  
12.  No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist.  Hoops was it.

Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business.  MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment.  That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back.  Let's not lose it again.

1. Downtown is still dead. Deader than ever.
3. Beer industry dying? probably still thinking about downtown in general.
4. Higher education is more "the establishment" than ever today
5. Countless students DIED defending home winning streaks. DEATH. Warriors was more than a nickname!
8. I drink a lot and break the law ALL THE TIME!



warriorchick

Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on January 30, 2013, 07:34:15 PM
What if there was a deal whereby a Student bought a "fanatics pass for $50, got us pass punched for attending all regular season games prior to the break, he/she would have the conference tickets for free.
The balance would be paid by Blue/Gold fun.

I think it might create new fans.

I am sure that there would be an issue with spending money earmarked for scholarships on student basketball tickets.
Have some patience, FFS.

martyconlonontherun

I saw only 25 students at the Big East soccer game. Man they are lazy. How could that sport not be the center of your lives during college.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 30, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
I also feel the off-the-court issues has hurt the mood around campus. Definitely turned off a few casual fans/students.

This I understand to a point but in college athletics there's always been issues. When I was in school, the starting center assaulted and nearly raped a girl on a billiards table at the pub and of course it put off other students but they still went to games even after he got off lightly.

This is a single incident amongst all the typical drunken shenanigans and pretty boy behavior that went on but I was never so righteous in thinking that it turned me off from attending, literally, the only game in town for a Marquette student. It was always a fun two hours of drinking with my buddies regardless of the clowns on the court.

As for the people who wrote about kids not going because they have other things to do, what are those things? (Besides attending a lecture or studying for an exam or doing a copy/paste of whatever Wikipedia entry they can)

JakeBarnes

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 30, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
This I understand to a point but in college athletics there's always been issues. When I was in school, the starting center assaulted and nearly raped a girl on a billiards table at the pub and of course it put off other students but they still went to games even after he got off lightly.

This is a single incident amongst all the typical drunken shenanigans and pretty boy behavior that went on but I was never so righteous in thinking that it turned me off from attending, literally, the only game in town for a Marquette student. It was always a fun two hours of drinking with my buddies regardless of the clowns on the court.

As for the people who wrote about kids not going because they have other things to do, what are those things? (Besides attending a lecture or studying for an exam or doing a copy/paste of whatever Wikipedia entry they can)

Honestly, this economy sucks if you don't have top grades.  Most people I know at the college level are scared to death about being one of those out in the cold by graduation.  In the grand scheme, supporting your future seems a hell of a lot more important than a game against South Florida.  I get it, you were able to take breaks and balance things... but today balancing your life means "doing every activity I can to make myself standout as a job applicant and ignoring most other things."  I'm not saying this is everyone, but colleges are much more about creating earning power than enjoyment it is starting to seem.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

"We all carry within us our places of exile, our crimes and our ravages. But our task is not to unleash them on the world; it is to fight them in ourselves and in others." -Camus, The Rebel

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Versus back-in-the day:

1.  The campus was more of a hub point around the social life.  Downtown was dead after 5PM.  We were happy to get out.  Today it is reversed.
2.  Demand outpaced supply.  There was a smaller arena and less games.  Students had half-season tickets that you had to camp out for. You went.
3.  National Tournament appearances and wins moved everything up a level  (NIT, F2 and National Championship).  Also, the Bucks had Alcindor and won a World Championship.  The Badgers sucked. I know donors today who never attended MU but bought season tickets because of Al.  He made Milwaukee Big Time when the beer industry was dying...and he stayed.
4.  Social unrest...being a Warrior meant more than a nickname.  For students and players as led by Al, it was them against the establishment...aka Adoph Rupp and segregation.  With friends going off to war to fight and die, it was more about celebrating the moment versus establishing your career.  
5.  Home winning streaks were personal missions to be defended to death by players and fans alike.  Today it is a shoulder shrug.
6.  Home games were an event.  Toilet paper, Willie's dance, Al's Technicals, crazy uniforms, the Hamm's anthem.  Student cheers taunted the alums in the seats as much as the opposing team.  Vulgarity was tolerated. Smoking and unlimited drinking were allowed.  Home and homes with arch rivals made every game matter, and the coaches played to the crowds.
7.  No undergrad night classes or labs.
8.  No shuttles back in the day.  With the 18 year old drinking age, pub crawls and jay walking tickets/arrests were part of the fun.
9.  MU was more of a commuter school...so those living at home needed to get out.
10.  I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums.  Not even close.  At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level.  Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.
11.  Parents are more apt to attend today with their kids...including students.  It was an adult environment back in the day so more things were tolerated. With social media today, craziness is captured and shared forever.  
12.  No other big time sports...hell, women's sports didn't even exist.  Hoops was it.

Each era is different...enjoy it as even today at reunions people talk hoops and not business.  MU games then and now is a kick-ass environment.  That is why so many of us value Buzz....we had it, lost it, and got it back.  Let's not lose it again.

I was a few years ahead of you Doc - class of 70, but except for the 18 year old drinking age (21 in my day, though it didn't slow us down much) your experience mirrors my own. You're
right that every era is different (and worthwhile) but those of us lucky enough to have been to the mountain top with Al are, not coincidently, the ones who see Buzz as the first and only guy since who can take us there again.

klyrish

Quote from: JDuquaine on January 30, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
Give your kids my number, i'll glady go with them.
Nothing creepy about this.

4everwarriors

As eloquently as Evil and Lenny Man have expressed it, the youngans have no idea what it meant to breathe and live as a Warrior back in the day.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
 Let's not lose it again.

This is part of it, isn't it? With only 1/8 of the student body showing up for USF, there's a concern that the lack of interest by current students will lead to a lack of financial support for the program down the road?
Twitter - @brewtownandy
Anonymous Eagle

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on January 30, 2013, 07:34:15 PM
What if there was a deal whereby a Student bought a "fanatics pass for $50, got us pass punched for attending all regular season games prior to the break, he/she would have the conference tickets for free.
The balance would be paid by Blue/Gold fun.

I think it might create new fans.

Except the Blue & Gold Fund doesn't pay for all the scholarships that the NCAA allows MU to provide. With the addition of lacrosse, it's $2 million under.

And in this year's case, attending four games gets you seven for free.
Twitter - @brewtownandy
Anonymous Eagle

El Duderino

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2013, 05:05:03 PM

10.  I have the chance to visit many away games...and I have many visitors to MU games I bring...and MU has one of the top game environments today...students and alums.  Not even close.  At UC, I thought it was one of the tamer crowds...and all their fans were saying how they hadn't had a crowd into a game like that in a long time. Of course, MU travelled well to stir the pot...but I put it at a Providence level.  Believe it or not, our alums are way more into games...even at a Louisville who gets the packed houses, but their alums tend to sit on their hands.

I don't buy that MU has one of the top game environments today, much less it not even being close.

I was at the SFU game and the crowd was very lame, outside of the students who were the only ones to make any noise except for during a few random instances. While watching the Seton Hall and Providence games i noticed a lot of the same sit on their hands deal except for when the bat came out to make the non-students actually get off their seats and not behave like it was a golf match.

When i watch many other teams play though on TV, i'll often see most or all of the crowd making noise on plays which aren't just dunks or a big play late in the game. I understand that SFU, Seton Hall, and Providence aren't marquee matchups, but i sure hope Buzz didn't have any recruits in attendance for those games because the atmosphere inside the arena was hardly impressive except for the students.

brewcity77

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2013, 09:27:21 PM
As eloquently as Evil and Lenny Man have expressed it, the youngans have no idea what it meant to breathe and live as a Warrior back in the day.

That cuts both ways. You also have no idea what it is to breathe and live as a Golden Eagle today. Neither do I. Things change, and there's no point whining on a message board about what we can't change. The student section is currently getting pretty well engaged. We play in a NBA arena that even as we hope for a replacement is better than 98% of the D1 arenas. We draw roughly double the undergrad population to our games.

Quote from: WarhawkWarrior on January 30, 2013, 02:45:41 PMI think the star identity problem is plausible.  Davante is turning  into a favorite and has great support among those attending.  The Amigos, Jimmy and Lazar were had great student fans and even Rob Frozena held the students to the last minute.

So no one complained about student attendance from 2005-2012 when Jae and DJO left? Us old-timers will always complain about the current student section, even if Looney and Diamond Stone commit, play 4 years, and bring us back to winning the NCAA Championship.

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