Good Point Jay Bilas

[Tugg Speedman]

On College Game-Day this morning on ESPNU, Butler student Kevin Schwartz hit a half court shot and won $18,000 from State Farm.

Bilas noted that this is perfectly legal, but give a real college basketball player so much as $1 (or a t-shirt and ride home) and you violate all sorts of NCAA rules.

The rule are conflicting and do not make sense.

(and speaking of Butler, apparently it is is legal to give a player $70,000 in loans as long as they play for Duke)

[ChicosBailBonds]

Cool, let's pay the players.  What team are you going to root for, since Marquette will no longer have a program?

[buckchuckler]

Cool, let's pay the players.  What team are you going to root for, since Marquette will no longer have a program?

Don't the players get to attend school for free?  There seems to be value in that.  I mean, it is like they get that 18K (at least) toward tuition every semester. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Don't the players get to attend school for free?  There seems to be value in that.  I mean, it is like they get that 18K (at least) toward tuition every semester. 

Of course they do.  They get a free education, free room and board that is worth a lot more than just the amount of money that would be spent on that education.  The downstream value is huge.

Access to tutors and extra care that most students don't.  They also get to travel the USA, get network opportunities to well heeled donors, often get admitted to a school they couldn't dream of getting into on their grades alone, and they get to showcase their talents for a possible career after college in the NBA, Europe, etc.   I like Bilas a lot, but enough of the nonsense.

[Tugg Speedman]

Bilas believes players should get a stipend, say $1,000/month.  Enough to buy a few things and go out to a movie.  This would eliminate a lot of the problems that get people/programs in trouble.

Bilas is correct.

[Tugg Speedman]

Of course they do.  They get a free education, free room and board that is worth a lot more than just the amount of money that would be spent on that education.  The downstream value is huge.

Access to tutors and extra care that most students don't.  They also get to travel the USA, get network opportunities to well heeled donors, often get admitted to a school they couldn't dream of getting into on their grades alone, and they get to showcase their talents for a possible career after college in the NBA, Europe, etc.   I like Bilas a lot, but enough of the nonsense.

But players do not own their image when in college.  Vander could not do local commercials in Milwaukee.  Cody Zeller cannot sign as a TV pitchman to do national commercials.  The coaches can and do this.

This cost the players a lot of money.

[LloydMooresLegs]

On College Game-Day this morning on ESPNU, Butler student Kevin Schwartz hit a half court shot and won $18,000 from State Farm.

Bilas noted that this is perfectly legal, but give a real college basketball player so much as $1 (or a t-shirt and ride home) and you violate all sorts of NCAA rules.

The rule are conflicting and do not make sense.

(and speaking of Butler, apparently it is is legal to give a player $70,000 in loans as long as they play for Duke)

Kevin and his family are good friends and he is a really good basketball player. No surprise that he it that shot!  I was a little ticked at him, though, when I saw him during the game in Maui against MU sitting right behind the Butler bench going crazy after the win.  

I'll see his parents at the Bulls game tonight and suggest that they buy a round, given that their college costs just went down a bit.

[avid1010]

Cool, let's pay the players.  What team are you going to root for, since Marquette will no longer have a program?

that's just plain dumb and you know it. 

[muarmy81]

Bilas believes players should get a stipend, say $1,000/month.  Enough to buy a few things and go out to a movie.  This would eliminate a lot of the problems that get people/programs in trouble.

Bilas is correct.

Where does this money come from? Not all programs make a profit and what about the lower revenue sports?  Do you pay those student athletes a stipend? (I'm sure the Women's BBall team would like a stipend too.)

I understand where everyone is coming from but its just not reasonable considering the overall profitability, or lack thereof, of some college athletic programs.  (Mainly mid-majors)

[MUBurrow]

You know, I never really learned much from the last 63,000 threads on this topic.  But I think this one is going to be different.

[Tugg Speedman]

Where does this money come from? Not all programs make a profit and what about the lower revenue sports?  Do you pay those student athletes a stipend? (I'm sure the Women's BBall team would like a stipend too.)

I understand where everyone is coming from but its just not reasonable considering the overall profitability, or lack thereof, of some college athletic programs.  (Mainly mid-majors)

You do not have to pay, and you do not have to pay everyone, or all sports.  Just that you can if you want to.

[ChicosBailBonds]

that's just plain dumb and you know it. 

Why is it dumb?  If you pay men's basketball, you have to pay track, soccer, women's volleyball, etc, etc.  You will eliminate 80% of the programs.  It's not dumb at all.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Bilas believes players should get a stipend, say $1,000/month.  Enough to buy a few things and go out to a movie.  This would eliminate a lot of the problems that get people/programs in trouble.

Bilas is correct.

No it wouldn't...just like gov't expenditures, etc.  $1000 will lead to $2000 will lead to $5000 will lead to $10000.  Are you going to give a stipend to women's hoops...why not?  Track and Field?  Wait until the lawsuits start flying.

Does a kid playing at Gonzaga only get $500 since Spokane is a cheaper to live in than Milwaukee?  On and on and on.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Kevin and his family are good friends and he is a really good basketball player. No surprise that he it that shot!  I was a little ticked at him, though, when I saw him during the game in Maui against MU sitting right behind the Butler bench going crazy after the win.  

I'll see his parents at the Bulls game tonight and suggest that they buy a round, given that their college costs just went down a bit.

I'm shocked he was allowed to participate.  Whenever we ran those shots at MU and IU, the insurance waiver required the participants to sign a document.  In that document, if they had played any high school basketball, college basketball, semi-pro basketball they were not eligible to play.  It was a standard document that almost all schools use, so I'm surprised that Butler isn't using the same process.  By excluding those athletes with those types of backgrounds, the insurance is much cheaper. 

[setyoursightsnorth]

Bilas believes players should get a stipend, say $1,000/month.  Enough to buy a few things and go out to a movie.  This would eliminate a lot of the problems that get people/programs in trouble.

Bilas is correct.

$1000 a month? What on earth would they spend 1000 dollars on? Maybe booze? I think things are fine the way there are, but if there were ever given an allowance, no well in hell would it be that high. I know it was a hypothetical scenario, but still. They aren't feeding a family of four.

[ChicosBailBonds]

$1000 a month? What on earth would they spend 1000 dollars on? Maybe booze? I think things are fine the way there are, but if there were ever given an allowance, no well in hell would it be that high. I know it was a hypothetical scenario, but still. They aren't feeding a family of four.

Wait until the stories come out on what these guys would be spending their money on.  The blackeyes for programs will be fantastic.  Movies, pizza...LOL.  Uhm, that won't be what will be highlighted when it gets out what some of the money is used for.

[setyoursightsnorth]

Wait until the stories come out on what these guys would be spending their money on.  The blackeyes for programs will be fantastic.  Movies, pizza...LOL.  Uhm, that won't be what will be highlighted when it gets out what some of the money is used for.

Maybe a stripper or two...
or seven.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm shocked he was allowed to participate.  Whenever we ran those shots at MU and IU, the insurance waiver required the participants to sign a document.  In that document, if they had played any high school basketball, college basketball, semi-pro basketball they were not eligible to play.  It was a standard document that almost all schools use, so I'm surprised that Butler isn't using the same process.  By excluding those athletes with those types of backgrounds, the insurance is much cheaper. 

That type of insurance usually charges different rates based on the experience/qualifications of the participants.

So if you are doing a golf hole in one contest, you have to get the handicaps of all the players in the outing and then the actuaries take over.  No reason that this couldn't be priced the same way.

Though it is fun to see the no talent ass clowns in their loafers with zero basketball experience trying to make a half court shot.

[Tugg Speedman]

$1000 a month? What on earth would they spend 1000 dollars on? Maybe booze? I think things are fine the way there are, but if there were ever given an allowance, no well in hell would it be that high. I know it was a hypothetical scenario, but still. They aren't feeding a family of four.

Juan Anderson would have bought his own Brewers tickets and never got in trouble.

Don't forget clothes.

[muarmy81]

You do not have to pay, and you do not have to pay everyone, or all sports.  Just that you can if you want to.

The EEOC would love that approach.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Juan Anderson would have bought his own Brewers tickets and never got in trouble.

Don't forget clothes.

Something tells me that he wouldn't have bought those tickets...they were given to him because of who he was, not because of a lack of means if I had to guess.  Connections.

[StillAWarrior]

Maybe Chico, Sultan or someone else from late 80s/early 90s will remember, but I have a memory of a Marquette athlete (cross country maybe) participating in one of these and winning three prizes including a car. I think it was at Loyola. He had to either turn it down or lose his scholarship.  It's hazy, so I may be wrong on some of the details.

[MarsupialMadness]

On College Game-Day this morning on ESPNU, Butler student Kevin Schwartz hit a half court shot and won $18,000 from State Farm.

Bilas noted that this is perfectly legal, but give a real college basketball player so much as $1 (or a t-shirt and ride home) and you violate all sorts of NCAA rules.

The rule are conflicting and do not make sense.

(and speaking of Butler, apparently it is is legal to give a player $70,000 in loans as long as they play for Duke)

I don't see how the situation of the random fan taking a half court shot and the basketball player on scholarship are comparable at all.

The rules are not conflicting, they have nothing to do with each other.

[77ncaachamps]

If we start to pay them, where's the "amateur" in their status?

Ask any D-1 bench warmer or scrub, and they're probably happy to even have a D-1 scholarship much less $/mo.

The issue is especially magnified in Bilas's opinion when discussing BCS football bowl payouts and such.

[Sir Lawrence]

I don't see how the situation of the random fan taking a half court shot and the basketball player on scholarship are comparable at all.

The rules are not conflicting, they have nothing to do with each other.

This.