Spreadsheet: Prospective Members to Join C7

[MtAiryGoldenEagle]

...created by a blark84 who is member of the HoyaTalk Georgetown message board.

"So I've created a spreadsheet to compare non-football playing members of the Big East with teams being considered for inclusion (and a few others) to see how they stack up. You can view that here:(blark84) "

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlfWy6_OYXQRdExSWlMzTm1odDNXalVVNERtWFZRQmc&output=html

I pulled this from the following thread: Seven Schools To Leave Big East, http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=26380&page=43

[LAMUfan]

so gonzaga averages 200 more fans in attendance per year then there arena seats, that's kinda crazy.

[akmarq]

Could be the games they play in Seattle.

[Skatastrophy]

Great data.  That was very interesting!

Edit:  I'm really looking forward to the outcome of tomorrow's meeting!

[The Equalizer]

so gonzaga averages 200 more fans in attendance per year then there arena seats, that's kinda crazy.

It looks like an error--see bottom of pg. 2.
Per the Gonzaga stats, they averaged 6,000 for 16 home games.

http://www.gozags.com/fls/26400/MBBSTATS/2012%20MBX%20STATISTICS.pdf

[LAMUfan]

I prefer to think that you can just buy a ticket to sit on someones lap 

[Bocephys]

I prefer to think that you can just buy a ticket to sit on someones lap 

Depending on the quality of fans, you may have to pay extra to have someone sit on your lap.

[nathanziarek]

Nice to see MU, even with a middling school size, come out at the top of a lot of those.

The revenue/expenses columns were surprising!

[Pakuni]

They sell standing room only tickets, thus more tickets sold than seats.

[CAGASS24]

And they usually play a game or two at the 16k seat Spokane Arena.  At least when I was there they played Memphis there.

[Windyplayer]

Xavier and Dayton have pretty good profit margins. Wonder what they're doing differently. I'd like MU to keep a little more of that $15 million plus in annual revenue. Maybe we can (1) have the team walk in lockstep to home games (2) car pool to games at DePaul, (3) rent cheaper leer jets for Buzz's recruiting trips, (4) re-negotiate royalties between MU apparel and Jordan, I don't know, I'm spit-balling here.     

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Xavier and Dayton have pretty good profit margins. Wonder what they're doing differently. I'd like MU to keep a little more of that $15 million plus in annual revenue. Maybe we can (1) have the team walk in lockstep to home games (2) car pool to games at DePaul, (3) rent cheaper leer jets for Buzz's recruiting trips, (4) re-negotiate royalties between MU apparel and Jordan, I don't know, I'm spit-balling here.     

Actually, if the Bucks leave, could/would MU get a better gameday lease rate from the BC?

In theory, the BC will really NEED MU at that point... but it's not like MU can go elsewhere. The arena is just too small now with the amount of season ticket holders.

[shannonboyle]

The Zags play a few games at the Spoke and at least one at the Key, hence the higher avg attendance over The Kennel. It would be great to be part of the new conference. It just feels right.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

No college from the state of Florida on the list?  That ends my career back-up plan to move to the Tampa - Orlando corridor and still have the ability to watch Marquette road games. 

[Benny B]

Xavier and Dayton have pretty good profit margins. Wonder what they're doing differently. I'd like MU to keep a little more of that $15 million plus in annual revenue. Maybe we can (1) have the team walk in lockstep to home games (2) car pool to games at DePaul, (3) rent cheaper leer jets for Buzz's recruiting trips, (4) re-negotiate royalties between MU apparel and Jordan, I don't know, I'm spit-balling here.     

D-I Athletics Accounting 101:
Revenues and expenses by sport cannot be compared amongst schools due to non-standardized accounting methods.


I would be in utter shock if MU could be doing something to to increase margins (while not sacrificing quality) yet was simply choosing not to do so.

[GGGG]

This spreadsheet does not include the most important category.  "Marginal revenue that it would generate through an enhanced television contract."

[Dawson Rental]

This spreadsheet does not include the most important category.  "Marginal revenue that it would generate through an enhanced television contract."

Bingo!

It'd be much easier to read with commas in the numbers or at least using a monospaced font for the numbers.

[The Equalizer]

And they usually play a game or two at the 16k seat Spokane Arena.  At least when I was there they played Memphis there.

Checking their statsheet, they did play one game at Spokane against Western Michigan. 

It's listed as the "Ronald McDonald Charities Classic" and Gonzaga lists it as a neutral court game, but it appears whoever put the spreadsheet together counted it as a home game.

They drew 9,610.

The math checks out:
(16 x 6000 + 1 x 9,610)/17 = 6212

So that explains the 6,212 reported average in 2012.

There leads to an interesting observation. 

The Spokane Arena lists a capacity of 12,210 for basketball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane_Veterans_Memorial_Arena

They only drew 10,778 for Memphis in 2011 and 9,610 for WMU in 2012.  So that probably represents the top end of Gonzaga fandom in the Spokane area.

Clearly the demand is > 6000/game, which explains why they can sell out their home court for just about any opponent.  But even with an artificial limit, they don't sell out a 12,000 seat venue once a year--even for a game with national interest like Memphis.

And before someone suggests that its too far for students to get to, I checked.  Its not distance from campus--the Spokane Arena is just 1.5 miles from the MAC.

[Windyplayer]

I would be in utter shock if MU could be doing something to to increase margins (while not sacrificing quality) yet was simply choosing not to do so.

Well, yes, no one consciously chooses to waste money barring the baby in the Capital One commercials. My suggestions were made in jest.

[ChicosBailBonds]

D-I Athletics Accounting 101:
Revenues and expenses by sport cannot be compared amongst schools due to non-standardized accounting methods.

Correct.  Not just an issue with accounting methods by sports, but by departments. Some schools charge things like stadium maintenance against a department that is not related to athletics.  Just one of a number of examples.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Checking their statsheet, they did play one game at Spokane against Western Michigan.  

It's listed as the "Ronald McDonald Charities Classic" and Gonzaga lists it as a neutral court game, but it appears whoever put the spreadsheet together counted it as a home game.

They drew 9,610.

The math checks out:
(16 x 6000 + 1 x 9,610)/17 = 6212

So that explains the 6,212 reported average in 2012.

There leads to an interesting observation.  

The Spokane Arena lists a capacity of 12,210 for basketball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane_Veterans_Memorial_Arena

They only drew 10,778 for Memphis in 2011 and 9,610 for WMU in 2012.  So that probably represents the top end of Gonzaga fandom in the Spokane area.

Clearly the demand is > 6000/game, which explains why they can sell out their home court for just about any opponent.  But even with an artificial limit, they don't sell out a 12,000 seat venue once a year--even for a game with national interest like Memphis.

And before someone suggests that its too far for students to get to, I checked.  Its not distance from campus--the Spokane Arena is just 1.5 miles from the MAC.

Take a program on par with Memphis (Xavier? MU? whatever) and create a conference rivalry with Gonazaga, and I think you'd see a nice bump in attendance.

We see the same thing for MU games, conference opponents/rivals draw more fans.

10K for Memphis is decent. They might get 12K+ for a good conf. opponent.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Great data.  That was very interesting!

Edit:  I'm really looking forward to the outcome of tomorrow's meeting!

Which meeting?

[Dawson Rental]

Which meeting?

The C7 President's meeting.

[shannonboyle]

We used to have an annual game with UDub until Romar punked out since we beat them every year. Sounds like Marquette Wisconsin is a lot like Zags UDub with lots of animosity and loathing and tradition.  

http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/Frosty-finish-to-UW-Gonzaga-rivalry-1221992.php

Dawgs are mighty arrogant though I cannot fathom why.

[T-Bone]

Which meeting?

http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-big-east-basketball-0104-20130103,0,6953614.story